(11-21-2015 03:58 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  Another bright note... Madizone worked flawlessly for me today- start to finish!

Not a slideshow but the production and audio were rough.


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(11-21-2015 10:39 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  In the post game presser I believe I heard Withers say that Curt Dudley's mother passed away. Prayers for Curt and his family.

Sorry to hear that. Definitely prayers to the family.


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(11-21-2015 10:06 PM)Potomac Wrote:  A great, very bizarre win today. Our defense won this game. OUR DEFENSE.
21 non-offensive points and another short drive set up by a fumble.
With that being said, we'll probably get wm or ur if we get a seed and we won't be beating them with this offense from the last two games. Outside of playing in the first round and getting the nec or pioneer teams, I don't see us beating anyone in the field. Three straight home playoff losses is likely.

I'm Nervous to play anyone with a decent dual threat QB, if Nova's qb keeps one turnover we would have been in trouble.

(11-23-2015 01:03 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-21-2015 10:06 PM)Potomac Wrote:  A great, very bizarre win today. Our defense won this game. OUR DEFENSE.
21 non-offensive points and another short drive set up by a fumble.
With that being said, we'll probably get wm or ur if we get a seed and we won't be beating them with this offense from the last two games. Outside of playing in the first round and getting the nec or pioneer teams, I don't see us beating anyone in the field. Three straight home playoff losses is likely.

I'm Nervous to play anyone with a decent dual threat QB, if Nova's qb keeps one turnover we would have been in trouble.

Can't really think like that. We would have had 4 more offensive possessions and used a lot of clock if we hadn't scored so quickly without benefit of having the ball. Never know how these things would work out. It was a weird scoring game.

I didn't get to watch the game, but looking at the numbers/recap, it sounds like we got very lucky. A D touchdown, a special teams TD and four TOs and we only win by 9!?! Out gained by close to 150 yards? Is it just that they had so many more possessions or did we just escape by the skin of our teeth?

You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

The second PI call was bad, but the first was an easy call and definitely a penalty.

(11-23-2015 11:13 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

The second PI call was bad, but the first was an easy call and definitely a penalty.

The pass looked like it was going into the ground and the bushes. Was it not? They didn't show a replay. I think the second pass interference was going out of bounds.

(11-23-2015 11:17 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:13 AM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

The second PI call was bad, but the first was an easy call and definitely a penalty.

The pass looked like it was going into the ground and the bushes. Was it not? They didn't show a replay. I think the second pass interference was going out of bounds.

Our guy totally just took out the receiver with a forearm shiver on the first PI on the Plecker side. There is no way you can't throw a flag in that situation.

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuo2c_1H...4iCyoDD2_E

#1 - Raven Greene Interception. Not only was Greene in the right place at the right time (which is part of forcing a turnover) but our defensive line was giving enough pressure to force a bad pass. We forced that TO.
#2 - Jordan Brown was in the right place at the right time and made a heads up pick six. He took it from the receiver by beating him to it. We forced that TO.
#3 - Huge pressure on Bednarczyk that exposed his arm for the fumble. Then right place at the right time for the scoop and score (that's usually how they work. right place, right time).
#4 - More pressure on Bednarczyk and the tackle motion itself knocked the ball loose from their QB.

Yes, all four turnovers were earned. Not blind luck.

Pick 6 by Brown was a great play jumping the route.
First PI was good defensive pressure caused QB to make a throw that hung in the air and picked.
Forced fumble returned for TD was a good backside strip.
Last fumble was another solid hit/strip.

(11-23-2015 11:42 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuo2c_1H...4iCyoDD2_E

#1 - Raven Greene Interception. Not only was Greene in the right place at the right time (which is part of forcing a turnover) but our defensive line was giving enough pressure to force a bad pass. We forced that TO.
#2 - Jordan Brown was in the right place at the right time and made a heads up pick six. He took it from the receiver by beating him to it. We forced that TO.
#3 - Huge pressure on Bednarczyk that exposed his arm for the fumble. Then right place at the right time for the scoop and score (that's usually how they work. right place, right time).
#4 - More pressure on Bednarczyk and the tackle motion itself knocked the ball loose from their QB.

Yes, all four turnovers were earned. Not blind luck.

Good to hear. Hopefully they can keep it up against New Hampshire.

(11-23-2015 11:42 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuo2c_1H...4iCyoDD2_E

#1 - Raven Greene Interception. Not only was Greene in the right place at the right time (which is part of forcing a turnover) but our defensive line was giving enough pressure to force a bad pass. We forced that TO.
#2 - Jordan Brown was in the right place at the right time and made a heads up pick six. He took it from the receiver by beating him to it. We forced that TO.
#3 - Huge pressure on Bednarczyk that exposed his arm for the fumble. Then right place at the right time for the scoop and score (that's usually how they work. right place, right time).
#4 - More pressure on Bednarczyk and the tackle motion itself knocked the ball loose from their QB.

Yes, all four turnovers were earned. Not blind luck.

You are correct all turnovers are earned , but they did not face a good qb Sat, and with that many TO's that game should not have been that close.

Those two ints I really don't know what that qb was doing , he just threw the ball up for grabs.

#3 - he was trying to switch the ball to his left hand at the worst moment, and I'm glad he did because they driving.

(11-23-2015 01:55 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:42 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuo2c_1H...4iCyoDD2_E

#1 - Raven Greene Interception. Not only was Greene in the right place at the right time (which is part of forcing a turnover) but our defensive line was giving enough pressure to force a bad pass. We forced that TO.
#2 - Jordan Brown was in the right place at the right time and made a heads up pick six. He took it from the receiver by beating him to it. We forced that TO.
#3 - Huge pressure on Bednarczyk that exposed his arm for the fumble. Then right place at the right time for the scoop and score (that's usually how they work. right place, right time).
#4 - More pressure on Bednarczyk and the tackle motion itself knocked the ball loose from their QB.

Yes, all four turnovers were earned. Not blind luck.

You are correct all turnovers are earned , but they did not face a good qb Sat, and with that many TO's that game should not have been that close.

Those two ints I really don't know what that qb was doing , he just threw the ball up for grabs.

#3 - he was trying to switch the ball to his left hand at the worst moment, and I'm glad he did because they driving.

I will agree that the first interception was just a duck. The second was a good defensive play and just a throw where he did not think the safety was going to break and certainly was not just thrown up for grabs.

While Schor is not Vad Lee, the one thing he has done well is not make mistakes by throwing into coverage other than the throw at W&M. From watching in person this week it looks like he has a little bit of the happy feet and if he can be a little more under control he will have a little more accuracy on some of his throws.

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

And you would be. D and Special Teams made the plays, it wasn't luck.

(11-23-2015 02:18 PM)jmu98 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 01:55 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:42 AM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:31 AM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 11:11 AM)Potomac Wrote:  You're not +4 turnovers by coincidence. Give our defense credit. They won the game. Bednarczyk also choked down the stretch but again, give our defense credit. They made plays when it mattered. It was refreshing for a change.

Nova also had two TD drives revived on two absolutely terrible PI calls. Both passes were uncatchable. Both situations would've resulted in 4th down and a punt or FG attempt.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know, but would you say JMU created these turnovers or were they just in the right place at the right time? There has been quite an extensive amount of analysis regarding turnovers, and there is little basis to prove a team earned TOs versus lucked into them (especially with regards to fumbles/fumble recoveries).

Based on how putrid the defense had been for most of the season, I would guess that JMU mostly lucked into the TOs on Saturday, but I could be wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuo2c_1H...4iCyoDD2_E

#1 - Raven Greene Interception. Not only was Greene in the right place at the right time (which is part of forcing a turnover) but our defensive line was giving enough pressure to force a bad pass. We forced that TO.
#2 - Jordan Brown was in the right place at the right time and made a heads up pick six. He took it from the receiver by beating him to it. We forced that TO.
#3 - Huge pressure on Bednarczyk that exposed his arm for the fumble. Then right place at the right time for the scoop and score (that's usually how they work. right place, right time).
#4 - More pressure on Bednarczyk and the tackle motion itself knocked the ball loose from their QB.

Yes, all four turnovers were earned. Not blind luck.

You are correct all turnovers are earned , but they did not face a good qb Sat, and with that many TO's that game should not have been that close.

Those two ints I really don't know what that qb was doing , he just threw the ball up for grabs.

#3 - he was trying to switch the ball to his left hand at the worst moment, and I'm glad he did because they driving.

I will agree that the first interception was just a duck. The second was a good defensive play and just a throw where he did not think the safety was going to break and certainly was not just thrown up for grabs.

While Schor is not Vad Lee, the one thing he has done well is not make mistakes by throwing into coverage other than the throw at W&M. From watching in person this week it looks like he has a little bit of the happy feet and if he can be a little more under control he will have a little more accuracy on some of his throws.

Disagree. That QB was not their AA/Walter Payton winner, but he was a talent, and every bit the equal of our backup.