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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 01:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:59 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote: (11-30-2015 06:01 AM)eagleskins Wrote: Wouldn't want Richt anywhere near this program.
You gotta be kidding???
Pro-style offenses suck. Don't want any part of them.
The only win when they have great defenses to go with them (see NDSU and Alabama).
App runs a spread offense that wins much in the way that a pro-style offense wins. You are able to pick-up positive yards, keep in 3rd and manageable, and grind out long drives. The style of offense isn't what is bad, it's just the way you play that is required to pull out a win.
A great running game with a complementary passing game is a defenses best friend. (see Carolina Panthers 2013-2015, when the spawn of the Great Shula finally figured out that letting a spread QB be a spread QB is the way to go.) They are extremely similar to App offensively and the way the defense wins is also similar.
Georgia Southern will run you out of the stadium, but in a tight game, it is a disadvantage to not be able to throw the ball. (See Minnesota) Southern could use a little bit of passing game. You may have beaten Georgia if that had been possible.
In our successful years (ie championship years) we were averaging over 100 ypg passing. Just for some reason this year, we weren't able to piece together a very effective passing attack.
That said, we've been a bit more efficient in the types of pass plays we've picked the last few weeks and it's shown. We've cut down on our number of attempts but each time we've gotten guys in space, just haven't been able to connect on all of them. I think injuries in our WR corps and inexperience in the OL has made a bigger impact to that aspect of the offense than we realized initially. Crockett looked better than he has all year this past Saturday, and the passing game really picked up with BJ Johnson returning from injury (shoulder during the Idaho game). The emergence of strong play from Upshaw has made an impact as well....he gave UGA fits. At this point I'll take the small increases we've seen so far and we'll re-examine in the offseason.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 01:40 PM)eaglewraith Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:59 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote: (11-30-2015 06:01 AM)eagleskins Wrote: Wouldn't want Richt anywhere near this program.
You gotta be kidding???
Pro-style offenses suck. Don't want any part of them.
The only win when they have great defenses to go with them (see NDSU and Alabama).
App runs a spread offense that wins much in the way that a pro-style offense wins. You are able to pick-up positive yards, keep in 3rd and manageable, and grind out long drives. The style of offense isn't what is bad, it's just the way you play that is required to pull out a win.
A great running game with a complementary passing game is a defenses best friend. (see Carolina Panthers 2013-2015, when the spawn of the Great Shula finally figured out that letting a spread QB be a spread QB is the way to go.) They are extremely similar to App offensively and the way the defense wins is also similar.
Georgia Southern will run you out of the stadium, but in a tight game, it is a disadvantage to not be able to throw the ball. (See Minnesota) Southern could use a little bit of passing game. You may have beaten Georgia if that had been possible.
In our successful years (ie championship years) we were averaging over 100 ypg passing. Just for some reason this year, we weren't able to piece together a very effective passing attack.
That said, we've been a bit more efficient in the types of pass plays we've picked the last few weeks and it's shown. We've cut down on our number of attempts but each time we've gotten guys in space, just haven't been able to connect on all of them. I think injuries in our WR corps and inexperience in the OL has made a bigger impact to that aspect of the offense than we realized initially. Crockett looked better than he has all year this past Saturday, and the passing game really picked up with BJ Johnson returning from injury (shoulder during the Idaho game). The emergence of strong play from Upshaw has made an impact as well....he gave UGA fits. At this point I'll take the small increases we've seen so far and we'll re-examine in the offseason.
I think you all need a true duel threat QB to run your offense. Ellison is mostly a threat to run, but has no patience on passing routes and it reminds me of a toss-back WR pass play everytime he steps back to throw. He doesn't see the field as a passer and it's painfully obvious. You really could run your entire offense with a guy like JP Coruso for App. He's a big bodied guy who can run well (almost Tebow like) but views the field as a passer and not a runner. This would move you all into a position where your offense may resemble App's more in the passing game, but with different rushing concepts.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 02:13 PM)ericsaid Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:40 PM)eaglewraith Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:27 PM)ericsaid Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:59 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: (11-30-2015 08:44 AM)AppManDG Wrote: You gotta be kidding???
Pro-style offenses suck. Don't want any part of them.
The only win when they have great defenses to go with them (see NDSU and Alabama).
App runs a spread offense that wins much in the way that a pro-style offense wins. You are able to pick-up positive yards, keep in 3rd and manageable, and grind out long drives. The style of offense isn't what is bad, it's just the way you play that is required to pull out a win.
A great running game with a complementary passing game is a defenses best friend. (see Carolina Panthers 2013-2015, when the spawn of the Great Shula finally figured out that letting a spread QB be a spread QB is the way to go.) They are extremely similar to App offensively and the way the defense wins is also similar.
Georgia Southern will run you out of the stadium, but in a tight game, it is a disadvantage to not be able to throw the ball. (See Minnesota) Southern could use a little bit of passing game. You may have beaten Georgia if that had been possible.
In our successful years (ie championship years) we were averaging over 100 ypg passing. Just for some reason this year, we weren't able to piece together a very effective passing attack.
That said, we've been a bit more efficient in the types of pass plays we've picked the last few weeks and it's shown. We've cut down on our number of attempts but each time we've gotten guys in space, just haven't been able to connect on all of them. I think injuries in our WR corps and inexperience in the OL has made a bigger impact to that aspect of the offense than we realized initially. Crockett looked better than he has all year this past Saturday, and the passing game really picked up with BJ Johnson returning from injury (shoulder during the Idaho game). The emergence of strong play from Upshaw has made an impact as well....he gave UGA fits. At this point I'll take the small increases we've seen so far and we'll re-examine in the offseason.
I think you all need a true duel threat QB to run your offense. Ellison is mostly a threat to run, but has no patience on passing routes and it reminds me of a toss-back WR pass play everytime he steps back to throw. He doesn't see the field as a passer and it's painfully obvious. You really could run your entire offense with a guy like JP Coruso for App. He's a big bodied guy who can run well (almost Tebow like) but views the field as a passer and not a runner. This would move you all into a position where your offense may resemble App's more in the passing game, but with different rushing concepts.
That's what we're looking at for the future. A kid high up on our recruiting board this year appears to be a true dual threat and I'm excited to get him here.
I love Ellison, but through injury or coaching turnover or whatever, his skills as a QB have not developed like they should. He's a hell of an athlete and can make big plays happen, but unfortunately it appears he's not going to be the guy that makes you pay with his arm if you stuff our run game.
I'm curious to see what becomes of Upshaw. He's been making a strong case for himself recently.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 01:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: A lot of the question of Fritz leaving has to do with how bad he wants out of Statesboro. I've heard some speculate that he is angry that GS won 9 games, but still finished 3rd in a lower tier league, but 9 wins finishes 3rd in every league in the country, so that makes no sense.
yeah, I saw someone who claims to have inside information, but is almost always wrong claim that. Stupid claim and a lame attempt to claim to know something. Pretty much, in any conference, you have to go undefeated to win.
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RE: Willie Fritz
About the only time I have heard Fritz complain about anything here is when he said he wants us to reduce the money games we play each year to 1. Apparently we have to play 2 a year because we need the money
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 01:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: A lot of the question of Fritz leaving has to do with how bad he wants out of Statesboro. I've heard some speculate that he is angry that GS won 9 games, but still finished 3rd in a lower tier league, but 9 wins finishes 3rd in every league in the country, so that makes no sense.
I like Fritz, especially because he is our head coach. He's a nice guy, would love to see him stick around a long time. But understand that the University president is gone, a new one won't be in place until the fall and our athletic director has been reportedly looking for a new place to work for a while ... so if you're a coach you probably going to be keeping your head on a swivel and ears perked up for any outside interest.
But if he's angry about being on pace to win 9 and finishing 3rd, he only needs to look in the mirror with the offensive game plan he rolled out in Boone. That was a dud. Same with some of the play calling against UGA, especially w/ the wildcat calls.
We weren't winning @ WVU under any circumstances with Upshaw starting that game and having Ellison out.
In other words, that to me is some odd speculation.
IF not for the reasons above, he is looking to leave it is because of a chance for a bigger payday or it is because he doesn't want to get tabbed with the idea that he or his OC can't develop and mold a QB.
Both Ellison and Upshaw have seen marginal if any improvement in their growth as passers ... and I doubt they become significantly better next season.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 04:41 PM)Eagle22 Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: A lot of the question of Fritz leaving has to do with how bad he wants out of Statesboro. I've heard some speculate that he is angry that GS won 9 games, but still finished 3rd in a lower tier league, but 9 wins finishes 3rd in every league in the country, so that makes no sense.
I like Fritz, especially because he is our head coach. He's a nice guy, would love to see him stick around a long time. But understand that the University president is gone, a new one won't be in place until the fall and our athletic director has been reportedly looking for a new place to work for a while ... so if you're a coach you probably going to be keeping your head on a swivel and ears perked up for any outside interest.
But if he's angry about being on pace to win 9 and finishing 3rd, he only needs to look in the mirror with the offensive game plan he rolled out in Boone. That was a dud. Same with some of the play calling against UGA, especially w/ the wildcat calls.
We weren't winning @ WVU under any circumstances with Upshaw starting that game and having Ellison out.
In other words, that to me is some odd speculation.
IF not for the reasons above, he is looking to leave it is because of a chance for a bigger payday or it is because he doesn't want to get tabbed with the idea that he or his OC can't develop and mold a QB.
Both Ellison and Upshaw have seen marginal if any improvement in their growth as passers ... and I doubt they become significantly better next season.
Oh my god! Please take Scott Farmer back!!!!
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 02:40 PM)NCeagle Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: A lot of the question of Fritz leaving has to do with how bad he wants out of Statesboro. I've heard some speculate that he is angry that GS won 9 games, but still finished 3rd in a lower tier league, but 9 wins finishes 3rd in every league in the country, so that makes no sense.
yeah, I saw someone who claims to have inside information, but is almost always wrong claim that. Stupid claim and a lame attempt to claim to know something. Pretty much, in any conference, you have to go undefeated to win.
Fritz is not "trying to get out of Statesboro", like he's in some horrible position here at Southern. That sounds like some Ben Moore crap from "sources" with no basis in truth. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure his agent is reaching out to schools that would triple his salary, but he's not hoping on the first bus out of town. Be honest though, what G5 coach doesnt have feelers out for their next job? Thats the life of G5.
He's in a great position to really improve his stock and make a very nice salary increase with another nice season next year.
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So, Fritz wants to change jobs because it's too hard to win the Sun Belt? If that's true, that's the whiniest, cry baby excuse I've ever heard, and would make me lose respect for him. Where would you go that it's easy to win a conference title? D2? Back to Sam Houston? Weird.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 10:56 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote: Where would you go that it's easy to win a conference title?
Arkansas State University... Home of the Red Wolves.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 10:56 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote: So, Fritz wants to change jobs because it's too hard to win the Sun Belt?
That IS ridiculous. I have it on good authority that "It's not an easy conference."
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(12-01-2015 09:13 AM)boroeagle2 Wrote: (11-30-2015 10:56 PM)ChiefGSU275 Wrote: So, Fritz wants to change jobs because it's too hard to win the Sun Belt?
That IS ridiculous. I have it on good authority that "It's not an easy conference."
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RE: Willie Fritz
(11-30-2015 02:40 PM)NCeagle Wrote: (11-30-2015 01:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote: A lot of the question of Fritz leaving has to do with how bad he wants out of Statesboro. I've heard some speculate that he is angry that GS won 9 games, but still finished 3rd in a lower tier league, but 9 wins finishes 3rd in every league in the country, so that makes no sense.
yeah, I saw someone who claims to have inside information, but is almost always wrong claim that. Stupid claim and a lame attempt to claim to know something. Pretty much, in any conference, you have to go undefeated to win.
I think someone is playing it fast and loose with their interpretation of some Fritz quotes.
I don't doubt that Fritz is mad that GS isn't on top of the Sun Belt, but I don't think anyone would want a coach who is content to settle for less than first place. I also have trouble believing that - even off the record - he would disparage the Sun Belt as lower or inferior while still fielding a team with mostly FCS recruits.
Perhaps this 'inside information' is a stretching of the known fact that Fritz has gone on the record as wanting to play every conference team every season. He's a competitive guy and - even if it would only draw GS even in the standings - I'm sure he'd love a shot at stAte. At media day this summer, he didn't shy away from the fact that he wanted the conference champs to "prove it on the field", even though that line of thinking meant that the Eagles would have needed to do more to stake their claim as champs in 2014.
Not having the inside info that your source does, I'd venture that this is the source of Fritz's frustration. He'd much rather spend an extra week or two mixing it up with the rest of the Belt than sitting around, comparing money game checks and talking about OOC records.
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RE: Willie Fritz
It's the exact same thing we heard about Fritz while he was at Sam Houston…that he was applying for any and every FBS position that came open. Yet when he was introduced as HC at GS he got choked up talking about his time at SHSU and the people that gave him the opportunity to become a DI coach. He might have an agent calling places with openings all over the place but that doesn't mean he wants another job because he wants to be out of Statesboro.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(12-01-2015 09:47 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: It's the exact same thing we heard about Fritz while he was at Sam Houston…that he was applying for any and every FBS position that came open. Yet when he was introduced as HC at GS he got choked up talking about his time at SHSU and the people that gave him the opportunity to become a DI coach. He might have an agent calling places with openings all over the place but that doesn't mean he wants another job because he wants to be out of Statesboro.
He needs to fire his agent if he isn't calling everyone
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RE: Willie Fritz
(12-01-2015 09:51 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: (12-01-2015 09:47 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: It's the exact same thing we heard about Fritz while he was at Sam Houston…that he was applying for any and every FBS position that came open. Yet when he was introduced as HC at GS he got choked up talking about his time at SHSU and the people that gave him the opportunity to become a DI coach. He might have an agent calling places with openings all over the place but that doesn't mean he wants another job because he wants to be out of Statesboro.
He needs to fire his agent if he isn't calling everyone
I honestly don't think he has an agent.
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RE: Willie Fritz
(12-01-2015 09:54 AM)CC Eagle Wrote: (12-01-2015 09:51 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote: (12-01-2015 09:47 AM)EigenEagle Wrote: It's the exact same thing we heard about Fritz while he was at Sam Houston…that he was applying for any and every FBS position that came open. Yet when he was introduced as HC at GS he got choked up talking about his time at SHSU and the people that gave him the opportunity to become a DI coach. He might have an agent calling places with openings all over the place but that doesn't mean he wants another job because he wants to be out of Statesboro.
He needs to fire his agent if he isn't calling everyone
I honestly don't think he has an agent.
He has someone representing him
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