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(11-18-2015 12:38 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
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(11-18-2015 06:26 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  This year LU will have lots of moral victories and few official wins. The speed and flow of your offense was distinct and impressive. The quick cuts and high screens schooled LU on how to run the pick and roll. The versatility and quickness of W&M was clear. A nice team. Hope you guys do well. LU will be more competitive next time.

A double digit loss at home is a moral victory?

Maybe you should just shutter the program.

As far as I can tell, NewTimes came to our board, was polite & respectful and very complimentary of our team. Not sure why we are giving him a hard time. And, as others have pointed out, claiming moral victories is a practice in our not-too-distant past.

I also thought that comment was totally unnecessary. We are frequently on the receiving end of comments like that. When we finally have a respectable program we shouldn't be acting in that manner.

Yikes, I didn't mean it to be apparently that disrespectful. Bad attempt I guess at humor. My apologies if that was the case to NewTimes.

I like Liberty and this has been a good series.

That said - It is equally annoying to me that some here also dissect every post and comment as to whether it meets some PC standard. It's a sports message board for crying out loud.

I didn't mean to be the PC police, and I'm sorry if intended humor was missed.

It's just with all the annoying trolls we get on here, I try and be especially gracious to the opposing fans who are well-behaved.
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Glad that's settled.
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I thought Liberty played a pretty good game and has some really good, but young, players. Also, they have a good coach. I never felt comfortable, until the last few minutes, that the Tribe would come away with a win. I predict they will have a good season.
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Interesting that Liberty's coach used to be the HC from 2007-09, left to become the Associate HC at UVA, then came BACK to be the HC at Liberty. You don't see that very often. Did he anticipate that Bennett would move on leaving him as the heir apparent, or did he just miss Lynchburg?
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(11-18-2015 12:38 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:52 AM)tribe64 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:21 AM)wrnbldg Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 06:45 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 06:26 AM)NewTimes Wrote:  This year LU will have lots of moral victories and few official wins. The speed and flow of your offense was distinct and impressive. The quick cuts and high screens schooled LU on how to run the pick and roll. The versatility and quickness of W&M was clear. A nice team. Hope you guys do well. LU will be more competitive next time.

A double digit loss at home is a moral victory?

Maybe you should just shutter the program.

As far as I can tell, NewTimes came to our board, was polite & respectful and very complimentary of our team. Not sure why we are giving him a hard time. And, as others have pointed out, claiming moral victories is a practice in our not-too-distant past.

I also thought that comment was totally unnecessary. We are frequently on the receiving end of comments like that. When we finally have a respectable program we shouldn't be acting in that manner.

Yikes, I didn't mean it to be apparently that disrespectful. Bad attempt I guess at humor. My apologies if that was the case to NewTimes.

I like Liberty and this has been a good series.

That said - It is equally annoying to me that some here also dissect every post and comment as to whether it meets some PC standard. It's a sports message board for crying out loud.
Sitting Bull, thanks for the follow up post from your "shutter comment". Glad I read ahead before responding. Considering that last year LU was, at times, the very last in RPI, to only lose by 11 at this point is a step forward. One gets to be a realist when reality is staring you in the face. If you read the W&M game thread on the LU board, you'll see most LU fans agree with that assertion. Now when McKay gets a second recruiting class and this team begins to mature, expectations will be different.
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(11-18-2015 04:00 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 12:38 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:52 AM)tribe64 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:21 AM)wrnbldg Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 06:45 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  A double digit loss at home is a moral victory?

Maybe you should just shutter the program.

As far as I can tell, NewTimes came to our board, was polite & respectful and very complimentary of our team. Not sure why we are giving him a hard time. And, as others have pointed out, claiming moral victories is a practice in our not-too-distant past.

I also thought that comment was totally unnecessary. We are frequently on the receiving end of comments like that. When we finally have a respectable program we shouldn't be acting in that manner.

Yikes, I didn't mean it to be apparently that disrespectful. Bad attempt I guess at humor. My apologies if that was the case to NewTimes.

I like Liberty and this has been a good series.

That said - It is equally annoying to me that some here also dissect every post and comment as to whether it meets some PC standard. It's a sports message board for crying out loud.
Sitting Bull, thanks for the follow up post from your "shutter comment". Glad I read ahead before responding. Considering that last year LU was, at times, the very last in RPI, to only lose by 11 at this point is a step forward. One gets to be a realist when reality is staring you in the face. If you read the W&M game thread on the LU board, you'll see most LU fans agree with that assertion. Now when McKay gets a second recruiting class and this team begins to mature, expectations will be different.

NT, we have been there and done that. Good Luck to you and your program.
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(11-18-2015 03:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Interesting that Liberty's coach used to be the HC from 2007-09, left to become the Associate HC at UVA, then came BACK to be the HC at Liberty. You don't see that very often. Did he anticipate that Bennett would move on leaving him as the heir apparent, or did he just miss Lynchburg?
McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.
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(11-18-2015 03:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Interesting that Liberty's coach used to be the HC from 2007-09, left to become the Associate HC at UVA, then came BACK to be the HC at Liberty. You don't see that very often. Did he anticipate that Bennett would move on leaving him as the heir apparent, or did he just miss Lynchburg?
McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.
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(11-18-2015 04:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.

Interesting. Continuity and stability is so important in D-I basketball. Hope you guys continue to show improvement.
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(11-18-2015 04:02 PM)LeadBolt Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:00 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 12:38 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:52 AM)tribe64 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 11:21 AM)wrnbldg Wrote:  As far as I can tell, NewTimes came to our board, was polite & respectful and very complimentary of our team. Not sure why we are giving him a hard time. And, as others have pointed out, claiming moral victories is a practice in our not-too-distant past.

I also thought that comment was totally unnecessary. We are frequently on the receiving end of comments like that. When we finally have a respectable program we shouldn't be acting in that manner.

Yikes, I didn't mean it to be apparently that disrespectful. Bad attempt I guess at humor. My apologies if that was the case to NewTimes.

I like Liberty and this has been a good series.

That said - It is equally annoying to me that some here also dissect every post and comment as to whether it meets some PC standard. It's a sports message board for crying out loud.
Sitting Bull, thanks for the follow up post from your "shutter comment". Glad I read ahead before responding. Considering that last year LU was, at times, the very last in RPI, to only lose by 11 at this point is a step forward. One gets to be a realist when reality is staring you in the face. If you read the W&M game thread on the LU board, you'll see most LU fans agree with that assertion. Now when McKay gets a second recruiting class and this team begins to mature, expectations will be different.

NT, we have been there and done that. Good Luck to you and your program.
Thanks LB.
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(11-18-2015 04:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.

Interesting. Continuity and stability is so important in D-I basketball. Hope you guys continue to show improvement.
Watched the game on TV last night. One of the graphics said that your coach has 150+/- wins and 120+/- losses. I'm guessing he has been at W&M 10+ years. It showed last night with the confidence the played with when it was a close game with 7+ minutes to go. Most all top notch programs have stability at the top.

EDIT: Well, I should have taken 30 seconds and Googled the W&M HC and his record. Seems like I transposed some numbers when his won/loss record is otherwise than I stated and slanted more toward losses than wins. Ooops.
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I have already gotten into it on a previous topic with New Times on the Liberty board. He is a passionate Liberty fan for all sports. Much like JMU, Liberty has made major strides in the last 30 years in all their programs. We might not agree on everything, but NewTimes appears to be reasonable. Unlike Towson, where Matt is a lone wolf, Liberty has an active board. Some there are reasonable and some are delusional. We all know there are plenty of delusional fans of all the schools, including some of us. They have had a disappointing football season which they expected to be much better after their playoff showing from last year. The best Tribe comparison would be 2011, when we regressed significantly after 2 fantastic seasons. Liberty really struggled on the road this season.

As for Sitting Bull's comment, Paul Finebaum made the same comment about Miami's football program after Al Golden was fired. Some thought it was funny, some agreed, and some thought it was in poor taste. Pretty much the same reaction we get around here. Sitting Bull always lets you know what we thinks, and he is funny much of the time. He has significantly better Tribe life experience and history than me, so I always respect his opinion. I definitely thought it was an attempt at humor.

I expect we will have more positive interaction with Liberty in the future. We play them a fair amount in basketball, have played in football, and depending on the status long-term of the Big South, they might be a candidate for the CAA in the future(which Sitting Bull may be previously mentioned as a possible candidate with VMI(keeping the VA in state flavor). Much like JMU, they have a group of fans that are desperate for FBS status, a group of fans that want to remain in FCS, and a large majority where we don't where they stand. There is a 80,000 post thread on the JMU website filled with angst, anger, and regret with pure speculation if you want to discuss the moving up benefits vs. costs topic. I don't think we need to do that here right now given we are in season with 2-3 exciting programs. It is a good discussion topic for April. We can focus instead on Richmond, Dayton and the women's soccer battle against Florida.
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(11-18-2015 04:13 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.

Interesting. Continuity and stability is so important in D-I basketball. Hope you guys continue to show improvement.
Watched the game on TV last night. One of the graphics said that your coach has 150+/- wins and 120+/- losses. I'm guessing he has been at W&M 10+ years. It showed last night with the confidence the played with when it was a close game with 7+ minutes to go. Most all top notch programs have stability at the top.

Seth Curry had the quietest 35 points ever against VMI in a game I saw live several years ago. Liberty was very solid that year and then took a step back when he transferred. However, Radford, Liberty and Coastal have been the top 3 basketball programs overall in the Big South. Although, one of our other opponents, High Point, could be a strong contender this season.
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(11-18-2015 04:32 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:13 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2015 04:07 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  McKay had a history prior to his first stop in Lynchburg to be a short term hire. His stay at UVA as an assistant I believe is his longest tenure to date. Having a daughter at school at LU certainly was a draw. Myself and many others were not thrilled with the initial hire as McKay jumped ship just as Seth Curry transferred from LU to Duke. No one disputed McKay's ability to coach, it's was his departure that miffed me and others. If he steals a win or two this year, and the team makes a large forward step, and there is incremental improvement in future years then those doubting his return will lose their mistrust, me included. I'm pulling for his to succeed and undue his past doubts by staying 5+ years and revamping the program.

Interesting. Continuity and stability is so important in D-I basketball. Hope you guys continue to show improvement.
Watched the game on TV last night. One of the graphics said that your coach has 150+/- wins and 120+/- losses. I'm guessing he has been at W&M 10+ years. It showed last night with the confidence the played with when it was a close game with 7+ minutes to go. Most all top notch programs have stability at the top.

Seth Curry had the quietest 35 points ever against VMI in a game I saw live several years ago. Liberty was very solid that year and then took a step back when he transferred. However, Radford, Liberty and Coastal have been the top 3 basketball programs overall in the Big South. Although, one of our other opponents, High Point, could be a strong contender this season.
At the recent Big South media day, LU was picked to finish last.
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(11-18-2015 04:26 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  I have already gotten into it on a previous topic with New Times on the Liberty board. He is a passionate Liberty fan for all sports. Much like JMU, Liberty has made major strides in the last 30 years in all their programs. We might not agree on everything, but NewTimes appears to be reasonable. Unlike Towson, where Matt is a lone wolf, Liberty has an active board. Some there are reasonable and some are delusional. We all know there are plenty of delusional fans of all the schools, including some of us. They have had a disappointing football season which they expected to be much better after their playoff showing from last year. The best Tribe comparison would be 2011, when we regressed significantly after 2 fantastic seasons. Liberty really struggled on the road this season.

As for Sitting Bull's comment, Paul Finebaum made the same comment about Miami's football program after Al Golden was fired. Some thought it was funny, some agreed, and some thought it was in poor taste. Pretty much the same reaction we get around here. Sitting Bull always lets you know what we thinks, and he is funny much of the time. He has significantly better Tribe life experience and history than me, so I always respect his opinion. I definitely thought it was an attempt at humor.

I expect we will have more positive interaction with Liberty in the future. We play them a fair amount in basketball, have played in football, and depending on the status long-term of the Big South, they might be a candidate for the CAA in the future(which Sitting Bull may be previously mentioned as a possible candidate with VMI(keeping the VA in state flavor). Much like JMU, they have a group of fans that are desperate for FBS status, a group of fans that want to remain in FCS, and a large majority where we don't where they stand. There is a 80,000 post thread on the JMU website filled with angst, anger, and regret with pure speculation if you want to discuss the moving up benefits vs. costs topic. I don't think we need to do that here right now given we are in season with 2-3 exciting programs. It is a good discussion topic for April. We can focus instead on Richmond, Dayton and the women's soccer battle against Florida.
The LU to CAA idea has been floated on the LU board by some LU fans and by an equal or greater number of non LU fans on other boards. My thought up until Coastal getting the SBC invite was no. With the CCU invite, I've reconsidered. The JMU board has mentioned it several times.

With LU's overt FBS intention, any FCS conference knows that membership with LU will only be as long as LU remains FCS. And if no invite comes for LU within 2-3 years, we can expect LU to rattle the NCAA reg cages, make some strong statements, and even make some demands, and likely challenge the current invite only position (litigation idle threats). With this scenario, I'd be surprised if the CAA extended an invite. Now if the Big South loses anyone else, that's a different story. LU has the gleam in it's eye for FBS, for better or worse.
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Let's give it a couple more games and see what happens. Schlotman just isn't enough of an offensive threat to be out there much I'm afraid.

Cohn's defense was terrible and it is obvious that he's not trying as hard as he should. I said the same thing about Prewitt his freshman year. Cohn is fast and athletic enough to play defense. Now it is just desire.

My wild card is Tot. He seems to have the size, speed, and toughness to play on both ends. Not a scorer, but I love him on defense at his size.

(11-18-2015 12:32 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  My thoughts:

I can now see the dilemma at PG. Schlotman has improved his confidence and was excellent protecting the ball and running the offense. His defensive effort is also impressive. Unfortunately, he did not look to score or drive except for one time late, which resulted in a questionable charge call. Cohn obviously brings a speed and quickness aspect that is unique to the team and he is much more of an offensive threat. He obviously needs to pick his spots to be aggressive better than he did last night. His defense also lags Schlotman, though I think he gives decent effort. The same can be said for Burchfield, love to have his shooting on the floor, but he presents a defensive liability. Be interesting to see how this PG situation evolves over the year.
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(11-18-2015 04:10 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Interesting. Continuity and stability is so important in D-I basketball. Hope you guys continue to show improvement.
Watched the game on TV last night. One of the graphics said that your coach has 150+/- wins and 120+/- losses. I'm guessing he has been at W&M 10+ years. It showed last night with the confidence the played with when it was a close game with 7+ minutes to go. Most all top notch programs have stability at the top.

EDIT: Well, I should have taken 30 seconds and Googled the W&M HC and his record. Seems like I transposed some numbers when his won/loss record is otherwise than I stated and slanted more toward losses than wins. Ooops.

Thanks, but I'm actually a UNCW fan who the W&M supporters haven't banned from their board yet, lol.
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(11-18-2015 05:33 PM)Tribe32 Wrote:  Let's give it a couple more games and see what happens. Schlotman just isn't enough of an offensive threat to be out there much I'm afraid.

Cohn's defense was terrible and it is obvious that he's not trying as hard as he should. I said the same thing about Prewitt his freshman year. Cohn is fast and athletic enough to play defense. Now it is just desire.

My wild card is Tot. He seems to have the size, speed, and toughness to play on both ends. Not a scorer, but I love him on defense at his size.

(11-18-2015 12:32 PM)WMTribe90 Wrote:  My thoughts:

I can now see the dilemma at PG. Schlotman has improved his confidence and was excellent protecting the ball and running the offense. His defensive effort is also impressive. Unfortunately, he did not look to score or drive except for one time late, which resulted in a questionable charge call. Cohn obviously brings a speed and quickness aspect that is unique to the team and he is much more of an offensive threat. He obviously needs to pick his spots to be aggressive better than he did last night. His defense also lags Schlotman, though I think he gives decent effort. The same can be said for Burchfield, love to have his shooting on the floor, but he presents a defensive liability. Be interesting to see how this PG situation evolves over the year.

Tot is a slasher on offense, rather than a shooter. He'll be able to slash and kick, hopefully, with his size giving him unique passing angles. I'm not sure how he'll do as a straight dribble defender, but again he might be able to use his size to make things difficult for quicker guards. Really, though, it's unlikely we'd have anyone but Dixon on the opponent's best offensive guard.
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