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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
Actually, that's why TOP IS misleading.

If your special teams and defense are having a good day, kickoff return for a TD, punt return for a TD and a couple pick-6's for the defense and you have 28 points and only the time it took the kickoff returner to run the length of the return for time of possession (so, say 12 seconds).

Punt returns are considered time that the kicking team still had the ball, so 0:00 time for the returners. Same for interceptions.

If the D is bending but not breaking, allowing drives that end in FG's, then it could be say, 28-9 and the losing team could be leading TOP by 15 minutes.

There are better measurements for who was the better team.
11-11-2015 04:01 PM
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
(11-11-2015 04:01 PM)billymac Wrote:  Actually, that's why TOP IS misleading.

If your special teams and defense are having a good day, kickoff return for a TD, punt return for a TD and a couple pick-6's for the defense and you have 28 points and only the time it took the kickoff returner to run the length of the return for time of possession (so, say 12 seconds).

Punt returns are considered time that the kicking team still had the ball, so 0:00 time for the returners. Same for interceptions.

If the D is bending but not breaking, allowing drives that end in FG's, then it could be say, 28-9 and the losing team could be leading TOP by 15 minutes.

There are better measurements for who was the better team.

Yes TOP CAN be misleading just like the stats that you used.

Our TOP game that Kevin runs so well is designed to take 4-5 minutes & result in a TD. Do that enough & you will be tough to beat. Other factors will make that better or make the game closer. Mistakes are a big leveling factor.

I believe we do not have a bend but not break D so we need to dominate TOP. Does anyone think we beat JMU without the +17:32 TOP? Give them 3-4 more touches and they easily win. Not counting the pic-6 or end of game fumble JMU had the ball 9 times & scored 5 TDs (also 3 punts & 1 int).
11-11-2015 04:37 PM
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
(11-11-2015 03:48 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  I guess we will have to agree to disagree 03-lmfao

Or I could say the last time I checked it is almost impossible to score when you do NOT have the ball so TOP is important 03-nutkick

Yet JMU managed to score tons of points against UR and W&M despite not having the ball. UC Davis is 2nd in 1-AA in TOP this year. They're 1-8. But you probably won't care since there's no pithy emoticon there. Having the ball a lot doesn't matter if you're not doing anything with it.
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
(11-11-2015 04:37 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  
(11-11-2015 04:01 PM)billymac Wrote:  Actually, that's why TOP IS misleading.

If your special teams and defense are having a good day, kickoff return for a TD, punt return for a TD and a couple pick-6's for the defense and you have 28 points and only the time it took the kickoff returner to run the length of the return for time of possession (so, say 12 seconds).

Punt returns are considered time that the kicking team still had the ball, so 0:00 time for the returners. Same for interceptions.

If the D is bending but not breaking, allowing drives that end in FG's, then it could be say, 28-9 and the losing team could be leading TOP by 15 minutes.

There are better measurements for who was the better team.

Yes TOP CAN be misleading just like the stats that you used.

Our TOP game that Kevin runs so well is designed to take 4-5 minutes & result in a TD. Do that enough & you will be tough to beat. Other factors will make that better or make the game closer. Mistakes are a big leveling factor.

I believe we do not have a bend but not break D so we need to dominate TOP. Does anyone think we beat JMU without the +17:32 TOP? Give them 3-4 more touches and they easily win. Not counting the pic-6 or end of game fumble JMU had the ball 9 times & scored 5 TDs (also 3 punts & 1 int).

That was one of JMU's least efficient games this year.

Morehead State: 8 TDs, 1 INT, 1 on downs, 3 punts
Lehigh: 7 TDs, 2 FGs, 1 INT, 1 fumble, 1 on downs, 2 punts
Albany: 6 TDs, 4 INTs, 1 fumble, 3 punts, 1 end of half
SMU: 6 TDs, 2 FGs, 3 INTs, 3 punts, 1 end of half
SB: 5 TDs, 1 FG, 2 FGs missed, 4 punts, 1 end of half
Towson: 6 TDs, 3 FGs, 1 FG missed, 2 punts, 1 end of half
Elon: 7 TDs, 1 FG, 4 punts, 1 end of half
Richmond: 7 TDs, 1 fumble, 3 punts
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
(11-11-2015 05:27 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(11-11-2015 03:48 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  I guess we will have to agree to disagree 03-lmfao

Or I could say the last time I checked it is almost impossible to score when you do NOT have the ball so TOP is important 03-nutkick

Yet JMU managed to score tons of points against UR and W&M despite not having the ball. UC Davis is 2nd in 1-AA in TOP this year. They're 1-8. But you probably won't care since there's no pithy emoticon there. Having the ball a lot doesn't matter if you're not doing anything with it.

Our TOP game that Kevin runs so well is designed to take 4-5 minutes & result in a TD. Do that enough & you will be tough to beat. Other factors will make that better or make the game closer. Mistakes are a big leveling factor. Try reading my post 03-hissyfit
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(11-11-2015 07:07 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  
(11-11-2015 05:27 PM)Rocco Wrote:  
(11-11-2015 03:48 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  I guess we will have to agree to disagree 03-lmfao

Or I could say the last time I checked it is almost impossible to score when you do NOT have the ball so TOP is important 03-nutkick

Yet JMU managed to score tons of points against UR and W&M despite not having the ball. UC Davis is 2nd in 1-AA in TOP this year. They're 1-8. But you probably won't care since there's no pithy emoticon there. Having the ball a lot doesn't matter if you're not doing anything with it.

Our TOP game that Kevin runs so well is designed to take 4-5 minutes & result in a TD. Do that enough & you will be tough to beat. Other factors will make that better or make the game closer. Mistakes are a big leveling factor. Try reading my post 03-hissyfit

Mistakes can swing a football game? Wow, never thought of that before.
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
OK ROCCO tired of your dribble!

Here's hoping we have a +20 TOP on Towson with 5 TDs & ST block a punt or FG & the D has 2 INTs & recovers 1 fumble & we win 38-10. I threw in a FG for good measure.
11-11-2015 07:40 PM
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RE: WMSB Recap: #12 W&M @ Elon
(11-11-2015 12:11 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  You are being a little too selective. We beat Elon & Laf because we easily had the better team. We lost to UVA because they are better & we could not stop them when we needed to. Also make the TOP +9:50 at UVA +15 & we win.

My point is that when we meet a balanced team (both D & O) if we do not dominate TOP we lose. Take away the the +17:32 we had on JMU & we lose.

Rocco's point is that it's easy to win TOP against JMU. They run plays every 12-15 seconds to keep defenses off guard. The only way you lose TOP to teams like that is to go three and out a lot. If you have the same number of drives/plays as JMU, you'll probably win TOP. This goes double for our team, because we play an offensive style that burns clock.
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