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Boston Globe: China’s 1 Child Policy Good. No right to more to more than 1 Child
Quote: China has officially gone from a forced abortion and sterilization one child policy to a forced abortion and sterilization two child policy. While most of the free world think this is an improvement, one Boston Globe columnist is lamenting the change and says no one should have the right to give birth to more than one child.

"Having more than one child is just something that none of us – Chinese or American – has a moral right to do," Sarah Conly, an Associate Professor of Philosophy at Bowdoin College, wrote in a column. "We don't have a right to have so many children."

"China has enforced its one-child policy in unacceptable ways," she acknowledged. "Still, the idea that people should limit the number of children they have to just one is not, I would argue, a bad one, for the Chinese or for the rest of us."

Conly responded to arguments that limiting couples to just one child violates human rights, by saying that rights, such as religious freedom and freedom of speech, have natural limits. For instance, she said, no one has the "right" to yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

"Uncontrolled fertility is likely to have worse consequences than the false cry of 'fire!' in a crowded theater," Conly said. "Even having two children – the replacement value for the population – as the new Chinese policy allows is likely to be too many children."

As for religions that may prohibit the use of contraceptives, she said they should simply be pressured to change their teachings. "Does the right to religious freedom mean we have a right to do whatever our religious doctrines dictate?" she asked. "Of course not."

"We want to accommodate religious practice whenever we can, even when that has some cost to social welfare. But again, if the cost is too great, we tell practitioners that in this case they need to amend their own ways," she wrote. "We’ve done this many times and will do it again. Typically, a change like this (allowing contraception) doesn’t cause an otherwise thriving religion to collapse and fail.

Conly concluded, "We may well be able to reduce the fertility rate without using sanctions at all, and that would, of course, be best."

To accomplish her worldwide one child policy, Conly recommended making contraception free and readily available over-the-counter. She advised giving out awards to those who have only one child, in the form of tax breaks – the exact opposite of what the State does now in helping families with the Child Tax Credit. Further, she wrote that "[w]e can provide disincentives" in the form of "tax penalties for those who have more than one child." Conly concluded that if that isn't enough, greater "sanctions" may be necessary.

Conly argued along the lines of the long ago debunked overpopulation myth, writing that supporting the world's people "will bring about environmental disaster," and warned about global warming.

Conly's argument – "One-Child Allowed means less starvation" – flies in the face of evidence that the earth is no where near exhausting its capacity to feed the world's population. A University of California study concluded that, without raising average yields, U.S. land is available to feed two times the world's population.

Colin Clark, former director of the Agricultural Economic Institute at Oxford University, stated that if all farmers used the best methods, enough food could be regularly raised to feed 1,053,000,000,000 people a normal Japanese diet, or over 35,000,000,000 (nine times the world's population) an American diet.

Most of our planet is empty. The entire world population could live in Texas, with each man, woman, and child given 2,000 square feet of space (larger than the average home). Author Valerie Protopapas explains: "In the Third World, most poverty is the result of inefficient economies, political strife and poor management. Well run governmental and economic structures in such 'overcrowded' places as Hong Kong, Japan, and Taiwan put the lie to the belief that people are a detriment."

Opponents of population control contend that our problem is not overpopulation, but rather our inefficient and selfish use of the abundant space we have. Jacqueline R. Kasun writes, "Most people who accept the 'overpopulation' theory, don't want to be eliminated themselves to lower the number of people in the world, but rather are worried about having to share their abundance with someone else[.] ... There is more than enough arable land and goods available for all humanity; it is a matter of distribution and the poor management of much that should be far more productive."

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Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

There's some interesting information in there regarding land use and in particular available farmland. I have serious doubts about the claim that there is enough US farmland to feel the world twice over. Much of the upper midwest, southwest, and mid-atlantic is not particularly great for agriculture, certainly not without expensive inputs and intense management.
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The USA needs to have 2.1 children per household in order to sustain its population. Immigration has helped us for a while, but a lot of other civilized countries are actually struggling to replace their own middle class due to a dwindling birth rate.

A dropping birth rate in the educated classes is NOT a good thing. People with careers/educations/vocational skills NEED to have children as they'll often be the kinds of families that raise children into productive citizens.

We have not reached our carrying capacity as a country. What is this person on about?
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(11-06-2015 09:45 AM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The USA needs to have 2.1 children per household in order to sustain its population. Immigration has helped us for a while, but a lot of other civilized countries are actually struggling to replace their own middle class due to a dwindling birth rate.

A dropping birth rate in the educated classes is NOT a good thing. People with careers/educations/vocational skills NEED to have children as they'll often be the kinds of families that raise children into productive citizens.

We have not reached our carrying capacity as a country. What is this person on about?

Yep. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out to sustain a population you have to replace yourselves with children. This means two children per household at the minimum, especially considering one or two of those children may not produce children of their own.

I always find that the people who write these type of articles have lived a very sheltered life. They live in cities with dense population like NYC, Boston, DC, etc. and have not spent a lot of time traveling across the country. They don't realize there is still a lot of places in the country where you can drive miles before seeing another human being.
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(11-06-2015 09:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

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(11-06-2015 09:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

There's some interesting information in there regarding land use and in particular available farmland. I have serious doubts about the claim that there is enough US farmland to feel the world twice over. Much of the upper midwest, southwest, and mid-atlantic is not particularly great for agriculture, certainly not without expensive inputs and intense management.

Global warming is going to open up a whole lot more N. American farmland in Canada.
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(11-06-2015 10:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 09:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

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(11-06-2015 10:48 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 09:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

There's some interesting information in there regarding land use and in particular available farmland. I have serious doubts about the claim that there is enough US farmland to feel the world twice over. Much of the upper midwest, southwest, and mid-atlantic is not particularly great for agriculture, certainly not without expensive inputs and intense management.

Global warming is going to open up a whole lot more N. American farmland in Canada.

I get the joke, but not true. The majority of Canada isn't suited for farming due to soil quality. It's essentially been frozen for too long, and by frozen I mean lacking substantial growth to provide a bed of natural nutrients.
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Buzz your girlfriend. Woof.

Seriously though, what a demented, hateful moron.
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(11-06-2015 11:04 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  Buzz your girlfriend. Woof.

Seriously though, what a demented, hateful moron.

Surprise Surprise! She's an advocate of the Nanny State.

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This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.
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(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....
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(11-06-2015 11:03 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 10:48 AM)Paul M Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 09:25 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Let's hope she doesn't reproduce.

There's some interesting information in there regarding land use and in particular available farmland. I have serious doubts about the claim that there is enough US farmland to feel the world twice over. Much of the upper midwest, southwest, and mid-atlantic is not particularly great for agriculture, certainly not without expensive inputs and intense management.

Global warming is going to open up a whole lot more N. American farmland in Canada.

I get the joke, but not true. The majority of Canada isn't suited for farming due to soil quality. It's essentially been frozen for too long, and by frozen I mean lacking substantial growth to provide a bed of natural nutrients.

Canadian Shield in the East and the Rockies in the West. The only real farmland is in Alberta and Manitoba
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(11-06-2015 12:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....

I understand that looks often stand triumphant, but I cannot understand the vitriol hatred against those who have them. I am no great shakes in the handsomeness department, but I don't spit hate against Brad Pitt for his looks.
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(11-06-2015 12:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....

I understand that looks often stand triumphant, but I cannot understand the vitriol hatred against those who have them. I am no great shakes in the handsomeness department, but I don't spit hate against Brad Pitt for his looks.

you just defined the point....

it shouldn't matter.....

but it does.....

and they are fat and ugly too....

it's the purest form of irony pal.....
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(11-06-2015 05:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....

I understand that looks often stand triumphant, but I cannot understand the vitriol hatred against those who have them. I am no great shakes in the handsomeness department, but I don't spit hate against Brad Pitt for his looks.

you just defined the point....

it shouldn't matter.....

but it does.....

and they are fat and ugly too....

it's the purest form of irony pal.....

I guess I wonder why people carry such hate. I used to do that a lot during my high school years over the silliest things. Luckily, thanks to God and my dedication, I grew out of it. It is life. Some people will always have more attributes.
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(11-06-2015 06:23 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 05:12 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....

I understand that looks often stand triumphant, but I cannot understand the vitriol hatred against those who have them. I am no great shakes in the handsomeness department, but I don't spit hate against Brad Pitt for his looks.

you just defined the point....

it shouldn't matter.....

but it does.....

and they are fat and ugly too....

it's the purest form of irony pal.....

I guess I wonder why people carry such hate. I used to do that a lot during my high school years over the silliest things. Luckily, thanks to God and my dedication, I grew out of it. It is life. Some people will always have more attributes.

that's the beauty of it....

it can be god

it also cannot be god....

it doesn't matter....

b/c there are still people that will hate....

...until the next phase of engineering takes over....

but that isn't the world as it exists today, is it?

therefore, the philosophical conundrum when 'fed ex doesn't take a right' as one sees them turn left.....it just drowns the wick o' sickening if one saw that.....if they didn't, then 'x' never meant 'dick'....like the tree falls/making sound thingy..

doth it tickle zee noodle?

I am lucky to have too much fun.....fk'n god.....really?
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(11-06-2015 12:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:47 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(11-06-2015 12:16 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  This might be a gross stereotype but how come all of these crazy pots always are ugly? That must play a role in why they advocate such absurd policies and hatred against normal standards of beauty and reproduction.

Chamberlain is shaking his head at Bowdoin College.

one day you will grow old....

it's yet to be determined if you will learn what that means.....

if you haven't learned that 'looks' since the advent of 'tv' means 'something', I can't help you any further.....

I understand that looks often stand triumphant, but I cannot understand the vitriol hatred against those who have them. I am no great shakes in the handsomeness department, but I don't spit hate against Brad Pitt for his looks.

Think about all the vitrol for the "rich" (defined as anyone who has more).

But I don't know about ugly nuts. There are a whole lot of beautiful nutjobs in Hollywood.
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