(11-04-2015 12:15 PM)_x_ Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 09:07 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Sorry got AL and Auburn confused (I'm dealing with trying to think on a 750 mg painkiller) but, it would be the same if it was Auburn because it was decided years ago nobody 12-0 outside of the SEC is better than a 1 loss SEC team unless they are forced into it; like they are having to do with The O due to being defending champions.

There's not only SEC bias, but there's even bias within the SEC. Alabama being #4 is Alabama-specific bias. It's hard to figure Alabama at #4 and Florida at #10 when Alabama's loss is at home to #18 Ole Miss and when Florida's loss is on the road at #2 LSU.

You could make a case for so many teams over Alabama at this point:
Notre Dame - one loss at #1 Clemson
Baylor - undefeated
Michigan State - undefeated
TCU - undefeated
Iowa - undefeated
Florida - see above
Memphis - undefeated and beat the team Alabama lost to
Oklahoma State - undefeated

Alabama at #4 is a joke. Of course this is all meaningless cause by next Tuesday everything will be different. This whole system is a joke. I'd rather just go with the AP poll or bring back the BCS formula to pick the top 4.

There is and always will be brand name bias. If Iowa and Ohio State were both undefeated and played the exact same teams, and Iowa had a slightly larger margin of victory in all the games, Ohio St would still be ranked higher. Same thing with Alabama and another SEC team. It really doesn't matter at this point, but if a one loss Alabama makes the playoff while an undefeated TCU that had wins against Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St does not, then that would be ridiculous. I actually hope the SEC gets left out this year. If Ole Miss can beat LSU, there will be a good chance that happens.

The SEC winner will be in the final 4

(11-04-2015 12:53 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  There is and always will be brand name bias. If Iowa and Ohio State were both undefeated and played the exact same teams, and Iowa had a slightly larger margin of victory in all the games, Ohio St would still be ranked higher. Same thing with Alabama and another SEC team. It really doesn't matter at this point, but if a one loss Alabama makes the playoff while an undefeated TCU that had wins against Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St does not, then that would be ridiculous. I actually hope the SEC gets left out this year. If Ole Miss can beat LSU, there will be a good chance that happens.

Whatever happens, I hope it's sure utter chaos so there will be a stronger push for a 16 team playoff or at least 8.

(11-04-2015 01:10 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The SEC winner will be in the final 4

Normally, I'd agree, but if Ole Miss wins out, they'll be the West Champs. If they won the SEC, I think they miss the playoffs.

(11-04-2015 12:53 PM)GoBigRed26 Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 12:15 PM)_x_ Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 09:07 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Sorry got AL and Auburn confused (I'm dealing with trying to think on a 750 mg painkiller) but, it would be the same if it was Auburn because it was decided years ago nobody 12-0 outside of the SEC is better than a 1 loss SEC team unless they are forced into it; like they are having to do with The O due to being defending champions.

There's not only SEC bias, but there's even bias within the SEC. Alabama being #4 is Alabama-specific bias. It's hard to figure Alabama at #4 and Florida at #10 when Alabama's loss is at home to #18 Ole Miss and when Florida's loss is on the road at #2 LSU.

You could make a case for so many teams over Alabama at this point:
Notre Dame - one loss at #1 Clemson
Baylor - undefeated
Michigan State - undefeated
TCU - undefeated
Iowa - undefeated
Florida - see above
Memphis - undefeated and beat the team Alabama lost to
Oklahoma State - undefeated

Alabama at #4 is a joke. Of course this is all meaningless cause by next Tuesday everything will be different. This whole system is a joke. I'd rather just go with the AP poll or bring back the BCS formula to pick the top 4.

There is and always will be brand name bias. If Iowa and Ohio State were both undefeated and played the exact same teams, and Iowa had a slightly larger margin of victory in all the games, Ohio St would still be ranked higher. Same thing with Alabama and another SEC team. It really doesn't matter at this point, but if a one loss Alabama makes the playoff while an undefeated TCU that had wins against Baylor, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St does not, then that would be ridiculous. I actually hope the SEC gets left out this year. If Ole Miss can beat LSU, there will be a good chance that happens.

tcu and baylor have a problem with having weak schedules. that takes some of the shine off of being undefeated. tcu has only beaten one team that has a winning record and that game (against tech) could have easily gone the other way. baylor has beaten smu, lamar and rice and gave up 31 points to lamar. both the teams are pretty good, it's just a guess how they would do against a schedule of all tough teams every week.

(11-04-2015 03:20 PM)runamuck Wrote:  tcu and baylor have a problem with having weak schedules. that takes some of the shine off of being undefeated. tcu has only beaten one team that has a winning record and that game (against tech) could have easily gone the other way. baylor has beaten smu, lamar and rice and gave up 31 points to lamar. both the teams are pretty good, it's just a guess how they would do against a schedule of all tough teams every week.

Yeah they haven't. Who has Ohio State played though? They have had a fairly week SOS also. TCU's SOS is higher than Ohio State's.

Committee will pick and choose if a metric is important or not based on the name of the team.

If last year's results don't matter as they say, and SOS is so important how can you justify Ohio State's inclusion given the arguments they've given against Baylor/TCU at this point?

For the record, I think Ohio State should be in the top 4 and I'd have them #1 actually. Also I'm not a fan of Baylor or TCU at all either. I just don't like how some metrics seem to be of more importance to some teams than others.

(11-04-2015 01:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 01:10 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The SEC winner will be in the final 4

Normally, I'd agree, but if Ole Miss wins out, they'll be the West Champs. If they won the SEC, I think they miss the playoffs.

This is where it gets complicated. If Ole Miss won the SEC Championship, they would have wins over Alabama, LSU and Florida. It would be real difficult to keep them out and put a one loss Alabama in the playoffs. If both Ole Miss and Alabama got in under this scenario, other deserving schools get screwed.

If Ole Miss is in, then a 13-0 Memphis would be deserving since they beat Ole Miss by 13. Not to mention the four other P5 conference champions.
There is a decent possibility that there will be undefeated champs from the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. Basically, this thing has to get so messy that they have to expand to an eight team playoff.

(11-04-2015 05:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 01:20 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-04-2015 01:10 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  The SEC winner will be in the final 4

Normally, I'd agree, but if Ole Miss wins out, they'll be the West Champs. If they won the SEC, I think they miss the playoffs.

This is where it gets complicated. If Ole Miss won the SEC Championship, they would have wins over Alabama, LSU and Florida. It would be real difficult to keep them out and put a one loss Alabama in the playoffs. If both Ole Miss and Alabama got in under this scenario, other deserving schools get screwed.

If Ole Miss is in, then a 13-0 Memphis would be deserving since they beat Ole Miss by 13. Not to mention the four other P5 conference champions.
There is a decent possibility that there will be undefeated champs from the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC. Basically, this thing has to get so messy that they have to expand to an eight team playoff.

Eventually they will . . .. And at some point, beyond eight . . .. Too much money at stake not to. . . . .

(11-03-2015 08:18 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 08:09 PM)CatMom Wrote:  So a 1 loss AL, who also had a scare from an FCS, gets chosen over the 2 B12 teams because of it.

Alabama has not played an FCS team. If they beat LSU this weekend, they definitely deserve the top 4.

If Bama had already played Charleston Southern they would not be in the top 4.

(11-04-2015 12:15 PM)_x_ Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 09:07 PM)CatMom Wrote:  Sorry got AL and Auburn confused (I'm dealing with trying to think on a 750 mg painkiller) but, it would be the same if it was Auburn because it was decided years ago nobody 12-0 outside of the SEC is better than a 1 loss SEC team unless they are forced into it; like they are having to do with The O due to being defending champions.

There's not only SEC bias, but there's even bias within the SEC. Alabama being #4 is Alabama-specific bias. It's hard to figure Alabama at #4 and Florida at #10 when Alabama's loss is at home to #18 Ole Miss and when Florida's loss is on the road at #2 LSU.

You could make a case for so many teams over Alabama at this point:
Notre Dame - one loss at #1 Clemson
Baylor - undefeated
Michigan State - undefeated
TCU - undefeated
Iowa - undefeated
Florida - see above
Memphis - undefeated and beat the team Alabama lost to
Oklahoma State - undefeated

Alabama at #4 is a joke. Of course this is all meaningless cause by next Tuesday everything will be different. This whole system is a joke. I'd rather just go with the AP poll or bring back the BCS formula to pick the top 4.

It is not just based on one game or one loss. It is also whom you have beaten to this point. If you switch the FCS and AU for two of their better wins they probably not in the top 6. SOS by the committee is determined by w/l of opponents and their opponents w/l. Also have not watched much AL but does anyone think they AL would give Ole Miss five turnovers if they played again? It is nice to see common sense rule over archaic rules and mentality of the AP and Coaches poll. OSU has no business being #1 yet by the ranking rules you can't evaluate them as long as they don't lose they can't be less than #1. That is asinine way more asinine than having AL in right now. Having one loss where you have a highly untypical amount of turnovers vs. being undefeated against a bunch of tomato cans.

(11-04-2015 05:42 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 08:18 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  

(11-03-2015 08:09 PM)CatMom Wrote:  So a 1 loss AL, who also had a scare from an FCS, gets chosen over the 2 B12 teams because of it.

Alabama has not played an FCS team. If they beat LSU this weekend, they definitely deserve the top 4.

If Bama had already played Charleston Southern they would not be in the top 4.

Yes they would. They are Alabama and while Nick Saban is there, they will continue getting the benefit of the doubt. I understand that Memphis hasn't played the same schedule, but in the spirit of the game, and the way they handled Ole Miss, to have Alabama 9 spots above them is pretty ridiculous.

Also...App's only loss this season has come to the number 1 team.

Personally, i'd favor smaller conferences, no conference championship games and a 16 team playoff. People want to ***** and moan about the number of games that would need to be played if they went to a playoff schedule like that, then reduce the regular season.