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RE: Idaho thread not meant to be derogatory
(11-03-2015 05:36 PM)Usajags Wrote:  All those are seemingly good reasons to stay FBS, what are you guys doing to make your situation better(conference wise)??? Is there any talks with other NW schools going FBS and starting a new conference, are y'all really banking on staying in the SBC, hopefully not, just for regional reasons, are y'all willing to go back independent????

There are lots and lots of things Idaho could have done 10, 20, 50 years ago to make our situation better now. Since we didn't, we're left with these tasks:

1. Improve the product on the field -- still a ways to go, but at least things are looking up.

2. Improve facilities -- all the ancillary improvements like weight rooms and practice fields have been done. Fundraising is now underway for a new basketball arena to get it out of the dome. Next step would be seating expansion -- wouldn't be too difficult to get it to 26,000 capacity.

3. Keep working the phones. Our AD isn't perfect but I'm sure he's talked over all the possibilities with all the players. A new western FBS conference has been discussed but the NCAA puts up some pretty big procedural hurdles in front of something like that.

I have no idea what we'd do if the Sun Belt declined to renew our agreement. I think indy is no more likely than the other 2 possibilities.
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(11-02-2015 09:50 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  
(10-31-2015 10:07 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I have been in Missoula, MT for the last few days and have been watching football on local TV all day. What purpose/advantage does Idaho have for being in FBS? Why would you not want to play Montana, Montana St, NDSU, Portland St or any other of the local teams in this region??? There are FCS games all over the TV, all day. Currently watching you guys play NMSU. If you played these local teams you are playing in front of kids that might actually attend your university, I don't see many kids from the southeast wanting to go to school in Idaho.

I really think there is more advantage to you guys dropping down to FCS then forcing the FBS issue. Of course that all changes if the MWC were to come calling.

I really would like to hear y'all's take on this.

What purpose would Idaho have dropping down to a dieing classification where the very pinnacle of achievement is playing a "championship" game in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas?

We moved all our other sports to the Big Sky and saw no increase in attendance. We played Eastern Washington a few years ago in football and it was the second least attended home game of the year. Moving back to the Big Sky will do next to nothing attendance/excitement wise except maybe a somewhat bigger crowd for Montana every other year (or less seeing as how there would be 14 teams in the league and everyone wants to play Montana).

I think there are good reasons to remain FBS, but I'm not sure poor attendance at the FCS Championship game is one of them...at least in recent history.

Just to set the record straight. The soccer stadium is in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex (25 miles north of downtown Dallas). The game has been a sellout or near sellout since at least 2011.

The soccer stadium holds 20,500.

2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918
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(11-03-2015 08:16 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 09:50 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  
(10-31-2015 10:07 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I have been in Missoula, MT for the last few days and have been watching football on local TV all day. What purpose/advantage does Idaho have for being in FBS? Why would you not want to play Montana, Montana St, NDSU, Portland St or any other of the local teams in this region??? There are FCS games all over the TV, all day. Currently watching you guys play NMSU. If you played these local teams you are playing in front of kids that might actually attend your university, I don't see many kids from the southeast wanting to go to school in Idaho.

I really think there is more advantage to you guys dropping down to FCS then forcing the FBS issue. Of course that all changes if the MWC were to come calling.

I really would like to hear y'all's take on this.

What purpose would Idaho have dropping down to a dieing classification where the very pinnacle of achievement is playing a "championship" game in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas?

We moved all our other sports to the Big Sky and saw no increase in attendance. We played Eastern Washington a few years ago in football and it was the second least attended home game of the year. Moving back to the Big Sky will do next to nothing attendance/excitement wise except maybe a somewhat bigger crowd for Montana every other year (or less seeing as how there would be 14 teams in the league and everyone wants to play Montana).

I think there are good reasons to remain FBS, but I'm not sure poor attendance at the FCS Championship game is one of them...at least in recent history.

Just to set the record straight. The soccer stadium is in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex (25 miles north of downtown Dallas). The game has been a sellout or near sellout since at least 2011.

The soccer stadium holds 20,500.

2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918

Mostly because of NDSU they have a great fan base and twelve national titles.
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(11-03-2015 09:44 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 08:16 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  [quote='dtd_vandal' pid='12587378' dateline='1446519000']
The soccer stadium holds 20,500.

2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918

Mostly because of NDSU they have a great fan base and twelve national titles.

NDSU the past 4 years and Sam Houston State who was in the title game 2 years in a row. Before those 2 teams arrived in the Championship game the first 2 years in Frisco was 2009 Villanova 23, Montana 21: Attendance: 14,328, 2010 EWU 20, Delaware 19: Attendance: 13,027. So the attendance without a power IAA program or Texas team you have 6-7K empty seats.
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(11-03-2015 11:39 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 09:44 PM)MJG Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 08:16 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  [quote='dtd_vandal' pid='12587378' dateline='1446519000']
The soccer stadium holds 20,500.

2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918

Mostly because of NDSU they have a great fan base and twelve national titles.

NDSU the past 4 years and Sam Houston State who was in the title game 2 years in a row. Before those 2 teams arrived in the Championship game the first 2 years in Frisco was 2009 Villanova 23, Montana 21: Attendance: 14,328, 2010 EWU 20, Delaware 19: Attendance: 13,027. So the attendance without a power IAA program or Texas team you have 6-7K empty seats.

One could draw a similar conclusion with many FBS bowls. For example the most recent Famous Idaho Potato Bowl (formerly known as the Humanitarian Bowl) had 18,223 official attendance in a 36,387 capacity stadium.

With the exception of the "big" bowls, attendance is dependent on several factors such as the match up, weather, and local community support. For example, the "Bluebonnet Bowl" in Houston ended in 1987 because of poor attendance. That final poorly attended game had 33,122 in an expanded Astrodome with a new capacity of 72,000. That game had two name programs, Texas Longhorns and Pitt Panthers. Looking through the history of the FCS championship games, there has been a pretty good history, but a lot of it is tied to the participant. The same can be said for many of the FBS bowl games.
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(11-03-2015 05:36 PM)Usajags Wrote:  All those are seemingly good reasons to stay FBS, what are you guys doing to make your situation better(conference wise)??? Is there any talks with other NW schools going FBS and starting a new conference, are y'all really banking on staying in the SBC, hopefully not, just for regional reasons, are y'all willing to go back independent????

The main factors holding Idaho back are leadership, location/media market and game day facilities.

So our AD is absolutely incompetent and his contract was supposed to be renewed in the fall SBOE (a board that controls all K-University activities which is another debate for another day) meeting but it's not on the agenda, so hopefully he will be gone. His football hires have all been disasters, his basketball hires mediocre, marketing nonexistent, I think it's well past time for him to go.

The location/media market is a factor we can't control so I'm not worrying about that.

The game day facility issue is a mess (however it should be noted that the support facilities i.e. practice fields, rehab center, locker rooms etc are among the best in the conference), basketball plays in a 1500 seat gym until football is done, then they set up an arena in the kibbie dome when football is done. This leads to a month (2 if we bowl) overlap between the seasons. So the several stage plan is renovate the support facilities as an easy target (~$40 million, done), renovate dome to meet life safety requirements so we can continue to make modifications (~$25 million, done), build a new basketball arena to divorce them from the equation (the silent fundraising round should end this winter, and will be around ~$40 million) and then expand the dome to 23-25k via a dig down and cantilevering a second deck and tearing down the west wall and adding a horseshoe has also been discussed but I can't recall what the final verdict was but that price tag should be ~$40 million. Personally I'd rather build a new football stadium and turn the dome into a permanent arena/field house, but that's just me.

If we get a better AD who is better at hiring and upgrade the game day facilities we will be fine. We won't compete for national titles or any means but if Petrino can at worst stabilize the ship and make it more appealing for his successor that will go a long ways towards the long term prospects. Idaho was at a 4 win baseline through pretty insane turnover from 03-08, then the conference turmoil and a particularly bad Akey regime knocked that down to 1-2 wins. I think Petrino will get us back to that 4 win/on the cusp of bowl eligibility level at worst, and that will open up better coaching possibilities to take us to that next level. We need to focus on what we can control and do what we can to put us in the best possible situation for whatever conference we end up in.

As far as independence goes I honestly don't know. There's a difference between planning on going indy and "Whoa crap we're forced to be indy next year, schedule anyone we can get to grab 12 games". I think I would much rather be in a conference because then you have the comfort of bowl ties and safety in numbers but we need stability, and this foolish talk about getting kicked out of a conference is a full fulfilling prophecy that kills recruiting and coach hiring which makes the program worse which sets the program even further back. The conference needs to make a clear announcement about what the path will be so we know what to expect instead of this pathetic "we'll see" talk.
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Sorry. Every time I read this thread title I think of this scene.



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Idaho is one of the few FBS who could move to FCS and it not be a killer. This is third stint at the NCAA top level for Idaho. The cost savings by having viable regional opponents could work.

That is not the same thing as saying it is Idaho's best option. It just means Idaho football isn't in a do or die scenario.

NMSU is in a do or die. FCS is not viable because of their location and the loss of New Mexico and UTEP as home opponents.
AState is pretty much do or die (that's why we moved back to FBS) though with SEMO, UCA, and UAPB moving to FCS it isn't nearly as bad a scenario as it was in 1989.
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(11-04-2015 10:18 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  One could draw a similar conclusion with many FBS bowls.

You were the one that went though and Cherry picked the games you wanted to highlight. How you come around and start comparing bowl games to the IAA game is beyond me. When nothing was said like that. Of course you go or went to Liberty where they teach junk science. Enjoy IAA for years to come.
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Going on a Sun Belt board to take pot shots at FCS schools. Very classy.
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(11-05-2015 12:01 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 10:18 AM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  One could draw a similar conclusion with many FBS bowls.

You were the one that went though and Cherry picked the games you wanted to highlight. How you come around and start comparing bowl games to the IAA game is beyond me. When nothing was said like that. Of course you go or went to Liberty where they teach junk science. Enjoy IAA for years to come.

No, I did not cherry pick the games I wanted to highlight. I picked the most recent four games. That is hardly cherry picking. The complete history is here since you asked including five well attended games played at Marshall's home stadium. One of those five did not include Marshall as an opponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis...hiphttp://

In response to the statement, "...How you come around and start comparing bowl games to the IAA game is beyond me...", the comparison of FBS bowl games and the FCS championship game pertained to comments earlier in the thread. See comments quoted below.

Quote:FBS keeps us far more relevant than any FCS program, you can compare the 2009 Humanitarian Bowl's tv ratings and attendance and see how much better it was than the actual FCS National Title game.
Quote:What purpose would Idaho have dropping down to a dieing classification where the very pinnacle of achievement is playing a "championship" game in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas?

As for me coming on this board, I lurked this board for many years prior to finally joining in 2013. One of the universities I have a degree from was a former Sun Belt Conference member (from 1991-98) before a stupid move by an administration and board (who were replaced shortly thereafter) to return the Southland Conference. Lamar was a conference mate of many of the current members for many years spanning multiple conferences. I have additional ties to SBC programs since I lived in Lafayette, Louisiana for three years. I was a season ticket holder to Ragin' Cajun football and basketball games while there. I still follow the Ragin' Cajuns as well as several other current conference members. One of my daughter's in-laws is a lecturer at Texas State.

Just to clarify things, I have no ties with Liberty except for a cousin who attended Lynchburg Baptist College in Liberty's early days. I am a third generation Texas Aggie. I earned my first degree at Texas A&M. There are around 20 Aggies in my extended family including my daughter and her cousins (4th generation). I have other ids tied to A&M on A&M boards. The LU in my userid refers to Lamar University. I earned my second degree at Lamar. (Lamar has used the term "LU" since the year Liberty's predecessor, Lynchburg Baptist College, was founded.) There's at least one LU older than both, Lehigh University.

Back to the premise posed in the topic title, I personally think there are some very good reasons to remain FBS if at all possible. A lot of those have already been expressed. I just don't think the statement "...playing in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas..." is one of them.
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For the record, Lamar no longer uses the term LU in their branding for legal reasons. Same goes for Lipscomb & Lehigh.

And HerdZoned is a notorious troll on nearly evry board imaginable. Ignore him and life is much more enjoyable.
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(11-05-2015 02:53 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  For the record, Lamar no longer uses the term LU in their branding for legal reasons. Same goes for Lipscomb & Lehigh.

And HerdZoned is a notorious troll on nearly evry board imaginable. Ignore him and life is much more enjoyable.

That's not correct at least for Lamar. LU is used extensively in trademarks.

http://www.lamar.edu/licensing/
http://www.lamar.edu/licensing/enforcement.html

Here's a link to the recent Montagne Center basketball court renovation.
http://lamarcardinals.com/news/2015/10/2...ath=mbball

Here's a link to Montagne Center description and earlier images.
http://lamarcardinals.com/facilities/?id=1

...and a couple of pictures I took recently
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...eboard.JPG - Softball stadium scoreboard
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...150905.JPG - Baseball stadium scoreboard
...and a picture taken by another person
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...eboard.JPG - Football stadium scoreboard

Back to the thread, here's a list of possible reasons for Idaho to strive to remain FBS.

1. Money - Move for P5's and now some G5's to stop scheduling FCS. Much higher payday for "bodybag games" $1 million + vs $500,000 and less.
2. Exposure - both of the university overall and the program
3. Already FBS. It is a lot harder getting back there after dropping down, especially with the recent requirement of an invitation from an FBS conference.
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(11-03-2015 08:16 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
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(10-31-2015 10:07 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I have been in Missoula, MT for the last few days and have been watching football on local TV all day. What purpose/advantage does Idaho have for being in FBS? Why would you not want to play Montana, Montana St, NDSU, Portland St or any other of the local teams in this region??? There are FCS games all over the TV, all day. Currently watching you guys play NMSU. If you played these local teams you are playing in front of kids that might actually attend your university, I don't see many kids from the southeast wanting to go to school in Idaho.

I really think there is more advantage to you guys dropping down to FCS then forcing the FBS issue. Of course that all changes if the MWC were to come calling.

I really would like to hear y'all's take on this.

What purpose would Idaho have dropping down to a dieing classification where the very pinnacle of achievement is playing a "championship" game in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas?

We moved all our other sports to the Big Sky and saw no increase in attendance. We played Eastern Washington a few years ago in football and it was the second least attended home game of the year. Moving back to the Big Sky will do next to nothing attendance/excitement wise except maybe a somewhat bigger crowd for Montana every other year (or less seeing as how there would be 14 teams in the league and everyone wants to play Montana).

I think there are good reasons to remain FBS, but I'm not sure poor attendance at the FCS Championship game is one of them...at least in recent history.

Just to set the record straight. The soccer stadium is in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex (25 miles north of downtown Dallas). The game has been a sellout or near sellout since at least 2011.

The soccer stadium holds 20,500.
2010 14,328
2011 13,027
2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918

Here is the Humanitarian Bowl attendance. A cold weather bowl game near the holidays featuring no-name opponents from out of town.

2009 26,726 Idaho vs Bowling Green
2010 25,449 Fresno vs NIU
2011 20,876 Ohio vs USU
2012 29,243 USU vs Toledo
2013 21,951 Buffalo vs SDSU
2014 18,223 AFA vs WMU

So this randomly selected, objectively undesirable bowl game outdrew the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game 5 out of the last 6 years, sometimes by 5 figures. The FCS title game was irrelevant when it was a novelty, a college football playoff. Now that the FBS does it to it is even more pointless.
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(11-05-2015 10:53 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 08:16 PM)LUSportsFan Wrote:  
(11-02-2015 09:50 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  
(10-31-2015 10:07 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I have been in Missoula, MT for the last few days and have been watching football on local TV all day. What purpose/advantage does Idaho have for being in FBS? Why would you not want to play Montana, Montana St, NDSU, Portland St or any other of the local teams in this region??? There are FCS games all over the TV, all day. Currently watching you guys play NMSU. If you played these local teams you are playing in front of kids that might actually attend your university, I don't see many kids from the southeast wanting to go to school in Idaho.

I really think there is more advantage to you guys dropping down to FCS then forcing the FBS issue. Of course that all changes if the MWC were to come calling.

I really would like to hear y'all's take on this.

What purpose would Idaho have dropping down to a dieing classification where the very pinnacle of achievement is playing a "championship" game in a half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere Texas?

We moved all our other sports to the Big Sky and saw no increase in attendance. We played Eastern Washington a few years ago in football and it was the second least attended home game of the year. Moving back to the Big Sky will do next to nothing attendance/excitement wise except maybe a somewhat bigger crowd for Montana every other year (or less seeing as how there would be 14 teams in the league and everyone wants to play Montana).

I think there are good reasons to remain FBS, but I'm not sure poor attendance at the FCS Championship game is one of them...at least in recent history.

Just to set the record straight. The soccer stadium is in the Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex (25 miles north of downtown Dallas). The game has been a sellout or near sellout since at least 2011.

The soccer stadium holds 20,500.
2010 14,328
2011 13,027
2012 - 20,586
2013 - 21,411
2014 - 19,802
2015 - 20,918

Here is the Humanitarian Bowl attendance. A cold weather bowl game near the holidays featuring no-name opponents from out of town.

2009 26,726 Idaho vs Bowling Green
2010 25,449 Fresno vs NIU
2011 20,876 Ohio vs USU
2012 29,243 USU vs Toledo
2013 21,951 Buffalo vs SDSU
2014 18,223 AFA vs WMU

So this randomly selected, objectively undesirable bowl game outdrew the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP game 5 out of the last 6 years, sometimes by 5 figures. The FCS title game was irrelevant when it was a novelty, a college football playoff. Now that the FBS does it to it is even more pointless.

The Humanitarian Bowl was not "...a randomly selected, objectively undesireable bowl game". The 2009 Humanitarian Bowl was specifically mentioned by NSAVandal09 on 11/1/2015 at 8:23 pm early on in this thread I was just using the Humanitarian Bowl as a common point of comparison as a test against the validity of some of the statements in this thread as posited in that statement. I actually had no issue with that statement.

"...you can compare the 2009 Humanitarian Bowl's tv ratings and attendance and see how much better it was than the actual FCS National Title game..."

I have never said that the FCS championship game outdrew anything. That wasn't the test. Toyota Stadium, with a capacity of 20,500, would rarely if ever meet that test. However, with the exception of the first game there, the stadium has been pretty much capacity limited since the game moved to that venue. That gets to the other statement which I did have an issue with after checking on its validity. (I guess it's from 35+ years as a financial and systems analyst bleeding through.)

The other statement dealt with a "...half empty soccer stadium in the middle of nowhere..." That is the statement I was testing.

Hopefully, we can agree that a venue in the Dallas/Ft. Worth Metroplex is not in the middle of nowhere. Frisco is partly in Collin County and partly in Denton County. Collin County has a 2014 population estimate of 885,241. Denton County has a 2014 population estimate of 753,363. The Metroplex MSA is at 6.95 million. That's a population greater than thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia.

FCS Championship Game
2010 Finley Stadium - Chattanooga, TN 20,668 vs 14,328 - 69.3% - statement valid except not in the middle of nowhere and not in a stadium whose primary use is soccer.
2011 - Toyota Stadium - Frisco, TX 20,500 vs 13,027 - 63.5% - valid statement except for middle of nowhere
2012 Toyota Stadium - Frisco, TX - 20,500 vs 20,538 - overflow - 100%+ capacity - statement 100% fail
2013 Toyota Stadium - Frisco, TX - 20,500 vs 21,411 - overflow 104.4% - statement 100% fail
2014 Toyota Stadium - Frisco, TX - 20,500 vs 19,802 - 96.6% - statement fail - not half full
2015 Toyota Stadium - Frisco, TX - 20,500 vs 20,918 - overflow 102% - statement 100% fail

If I wanted to cherry-pick, as I am being accused, I would have picked the following FCS championship games.
1995 - 32,106 attendance 30,000 capacity
1992 - 31,304 attendance 28,000 capacity
1996 - 30,052 attendance 30,000 capacity
1993 - 29,218 attendance 28,000 capacity
1994 - 27,674 attendance 30,000 capacity
1989 - 25,725 attendance (at an 18,000 seat capacity with 14,000 permanent seats - Paulson Stadium) I would have loved to have been in a crowd like that! I've been at several games with 90,000-100,000+ in attendance, but each time the stadium listed capacity was close to that.
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(11-04-2015 12:33 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  and this foolish talk about getting kicked out of a conference is a full fulfilling prophecy that kills recruiting and coach hiring which makes the program worse which sets the program even further back. The conference needs to make a clear announcement about what the path will be so we know what to expect instead of this pathetic "we'll see" talk.

Unfortunately this conference was a life raft for Idaho and NMSU and nothing more. At this point that has not changed. We don't owe Idaho and NMSU anything. We don't owe them extensions, and we don't owe them a public show of handcuffs.

I realize this is far from ideal for Idaho in recruiting and planning for the future. But that's not something we are obliged to be concerned about.

The villains here are the former conference members in your geographical area who were supposed to be cooperating peer institutions who stabbed you from behind and threw you overboard like sacks of trash.....for a few bucks.

I hate that it happened to you, but we aren't obliged to do anything more than "we'll see".
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(11-06-2015 05:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 12:33 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  and this foolish talk about getting kicked out of a conference is a full fulfilling prophecy that kills recruiting and coach hiring which makes the program worse which sets the program even further back. The conference needs to make a clear announcement about what the path will be so we know what to expect instead of this pathetic "we'll see" talk.

Unfortunately this conference was a life raft for Idaho and NMSU and nothing more. At this point that has not changed. We don't owe Idaho and NMSU anything. We don't owe them extensions, and we don't owe them a public show of handcuffs.

I realize this is far from ideal for Idaho in recruiting and planning for the future. But that's not something we are obliged to be concerned about.

The villains here are the former conference members in your geographical area who were supposed to be cooperating peer institutions who stabbed you from behind and threw you overboard like sacks of trash.....for a few bucks.

I hate that it happened to you, but we aren't obliged to do anything more than "we'll see".

I agree with this. The Sun Belt is one of the good guys in this drama, and has already done more for Idaho than it needed to. The conference owes Idaho absolutely nothing.

However, I think there's a convincing argument that a 2-year extension is in the Belt's best interest. And if that's the plan, then for the sake of conference strength telling us sooner rather than later is a good idea.
11-07-2015 11:54 AM
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RE: Idaho thread not meant to be derogatory
(11-06-2015 05:35 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(11-04-2015 12:33 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  and this foolish talk about getting kicked out of a conference is a full fulfilling prophecy that kills recruiting and coach hiring which makes the program worse which sets the program even further back. The conference needs to make a clear announcement about what the path will be so we know what to expect instead of this pathetic "we'll see" talk.

Unfortunately this conference was a life raft for Idaho and NMSU and nothing more. At this point that has not changed. We don't owe Idaho and NMSU anything. We don't owe them extensions, and we don't owe them a public show of handcuffs.

I realize this is far from ideal for Idaho in recruiting and planning for the future. But that's not something we are obliged to be concerned about.

The villains here are the former conference members in your geographical area who were supposed to be cooperating peer institutions who stabbed you from behind and threw you overboard like sacks of trash.....for a few bucks.

I hate that it happened to you, but we aren't obliged to do anything more than "we'll see".

It's a mutual life raft. Considering the SBC lost 5 teams in 2 seasons I wouldn't say the SBC is safe yet.

As far as being "owed", there's always an obligation as business partners to be upfront and on the same page with the direction of the organization. If the agreement is "You get A, and you can have B if you meet objectives C, D and E" that's completely fair, you need to meet projections. But you need to remember that this isn't only about Idaho, if you can cut Idaho and NMSU loose because you feel like it the other potential and current members are going to notice it. If they think that they are vulnerable to being cast adrift they're going to look to the CUSA, MAC or even worse a new conference in direct competition for SBC members. That's not a good situation.
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RE: Idaho thread not meant to be derogatory
Can we please kick Idaho out of the conference??? RIGHT NOW!!!
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(11-07-2015 04:25 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Can we please kick Idaho out of the conference??? RIGHT NOW!!!

HA! You haven't seen our unorthodox halftime adjustment where we tell the defense to stop tackling and conserve energy.
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