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Re: RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-26-2015 05:25 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
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(10-26-2015 01:38 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I don't understand Why in the world anyone think there would be any possibility UTA or Little Rock would be expelled. UTA. was just extended an invitation a mere 3.5 years ago. Why would they be granted membership only to have the conference screw them over. And Little Rock has been in the league for a long time. I see no valid reason to boot them.


They don't play football is a valid enough reason for me.

Let me rephrase, then.

Arkansas State, ULM, ULL, Troy, and Little Rock, along with a few members who have since left, voted to welcome in non-football UTA in May 2012, starting in the 2013-14 season. Why would those schools have since changed their minds? Keep in mind that Texas State, Ga. State, Ga. Southern, and App State joined the league knowing this league had a pair of non-football members.

So, Why would these university presidents change their minds? What has changed?

I'm OK keeping UT Arlington & UALR if two schools are added in the East. Ten football schools and 14 (two 7 team divisions) for all other sports. Take the top 4 schools from each division for the tournament field.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-26-2015 01:02 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 05:25 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 01:45 AM)TheMackAttack Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 01:38 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I don't understand Why in the world anyone think there would be any possibility UTA or Little Rock would be expelled. UTA. was just extended an invitation a mere 3.5 years ago. Why would they be granted membership only to have the conference screw them over. And Little Rock has been in the league for a long time. I see no valid reason to boot them.


They don't play football is a valid enough reason for me.

Let me rephrase, then.

Arkansas State, ULM, ULL, Troy, and Little Rock, along with a few members who have since left, voted to welcome in non-football UTA in May 2012, starting in the 2013-14 season. Why would those schools have since changed their minds? Keep in mind that Texas State, Ga. State, Ga. Southern, and App State joined the league knowing this league had a pair of non-football members.

So, Why would these university presidents change their minds? What has changed?

I'm OK keeping UT Arlington & UALR if two schools are added in the East. Ten football schools and 14 (two 7 team divisions) for all other sports. Take the top 4 schools from each division for the tournament field.

It just wouldn't make any sense to add 2 more non-football schools. I think we extend Idaho and NMSU and hope that UTA adds football reasonably soon and then we only have to add NMSU (all sports) letting Idaho and ULAR go to get to 12/12.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
Isn't UALR a founding member?

Sincerely doubt that they are getting shown the door.

And as for adding teams in the east? That's just dumb, but crazier things have happened.
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(10-26-2015 01:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  And as for adding teams in the east? That's just dumb, but crazier things have happened.

That is why I think UTA football will come in first before a team is added in the East.

Actually, I was thinking UTA football and Missouri State would be invited.
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Let's keep them and with some additions make a way for FBS caliber teams in the west to actually become so (i.e. Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington,etc.) football only at least.
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(10-26-2015 02:10 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  Let's keep them and with some additions make a way for FBS caliber teams in the west to actually become so (i.e. Montana, Montana State, Eastern Washington,etc.) football only at least.

That would be pretty much the dream scenario for Idaho. If it were on the table I'm sure we'd do whatever it took to help make it happen.
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There some great football to be found out there among those schools. If we went all in with a western division, rather than you guys out on an island, it would seem to make much more sense.
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(10-26-2015 01:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Isn't UALR a founding member?

Sincerely doubt that they are getting shown the door.

And as for adding teams in the east? That's just dumb, but crazier things have happened.

Not only no, but h___l, NO.
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(10-26-2015 02:26 PM)pjc1979 Wrote:  There some great football to be found out there among those schools. If we went all in with a western division, rather than you guys out on an island, it would seem to make much more sense.

In another thread someone advocated for upping football strength by replacing us with NDSU and I pointed out that NDSU would have to be crazy to move into a conference where they'd be an outlier replacing a very similar outlier who'd just been kicked out.

However, if you were going to do it right and create an East-West FBS football alliance that would be awesome, at least from the perspective of the western schools.
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I think the Sun Belt ends up dropping New Mexico St and Idaho and eventually replaces them with Eastern Kentucky and Liberty. Just reading between the lines of some comments recently by Karl Benson and Jerry Falwell Jr. Benson left the door open to a 10 team conference with comments in September. Falwell shed light on his school's negotiations with the Sun Belt. Made it seem like support is growing for Liberty within the conference. As far as EKU goes it seems like they have the political will to do it.

Benson's comments
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-in-doubt/

Falwell's comments
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/falwe...interview/
Quote:Two years ago the obstacle we ran into is the Sun Belt is all public universities, every single one of them. And there was a lot of feeling inside the conference that they didn’t want to add any private schools. We needed 9 votes out of 11, and there were 3 Presidents that just couldn’t vote for a private school, a couple of them didn’t like the idea that Liberty was a Christian school. But some of that has changed now.

Quote:I just don’t think the Sun Belt was ready for a private school. I know a lot of people inside the Sun Belt have told me, I’ve gotta think of a nice way to say it, but they just think that the 2 or 3 that were against Liberty made a huge mistake. So we’re continuing to work on that, and we’ve got other options we’re working on too.

I could see a conference like this in 5-10 years:

East
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Liberty
Eastern Kentucky

West
South Alabama
Troy
Louisiana-Lafayette
Louisiana-Monroe
Texas State
Arkansas State

Neat, compact geographically, Southeastern focus. Adds three bordering states to the conference in South Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky. Strategically, adding EKU gives WKU in-state G5 competition. Liberty would give Old Dominion in-state G5 competition.
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(10-26-2015 01:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Isn't UALR a founding member?

Sincerely doubt that they are getting shown the door.

And as for adding teams in the east? That's just dumb, but crazier things have happened.

It makes perfect sense to add non football members in the East if Idaho & NMSU are booted.
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How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.
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(10-26-2015 07:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.

I can tell you what the talk is coming out of EKU. They were told that both schools would be booted out and 2 new schools added I think in 2018. they were told to upgrade baseball and softball facilities now and the football stadium could wait all upgrades will be started next year
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(10-27-2015 10:27 AM)EKUFAN Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 07:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.

I can tell you what the talk is coming out of EKU. They were told that both schools would be booted out and 2 new schools added I think in 2018. they were told to upgrade baseball and softball facilities now and the football stadium could wait all upgrades will be started next year
Unless they add a western school (like NMSU all sports) I think adding 2 eastern ones will be hard to get votes for unless the western presidents are easily led by the nose ring.
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(10-27-2015 12:12 PM)CatMom Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 10:27 AM)EKUFAN Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 07:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.

I can tell you what the talk is coming out of EKU. They were told that both schools would be booted out and 2 new schools added I think in 2018. they were told to upgrade baseball and softball facilities now and the football stadium could wait all upgrades will be started next year
Unless they add a western school (like NMSU all sports) I think adding 2 eastern ones will be hard to get votes for unless the western presidents are easily led by the nose ring.

I personally don't think we add anyone. My guess is we extend Idaho and NMSU for four more years while we wait to see if UTA really is going to add football.
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(10-26-2015 07:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.

Only if you see Troy & USA in the East.
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Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.
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(10-27-2015 01:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.

UTA posters keep saying it is in the long term plan but I don't know if anything is official. It seems strange they would move to two different FBS conferences (especially since the WAC is still a viable basketball conference) without that being a consideration.
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(10-27-2015 01:28 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.

UTA posters keep saying it is in the long term plan but I don't know if anything is official. It seems strange they would move to two different FBS conferences (especially since the WAC is still a viable basketball conference) without that being a consideration.

UTA, Texas State, and fans of other ex-SLC teams would know better than I would, but I think the Southland is one of the weakest basketball leagues (Stephen F. Austin's NCAA run a couple years ago notwithstanding). The WAC was a big step up, but then when the WAC started losing more and more teams, they needed a league that was (1) more regionally-friendly and (2) not bleeding schools.
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(10-26-2015 12:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 09:10 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 01:44 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 01:38 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I don't understand Why in the world anyone think there would be any possibility UTA or Little Rock would be expelled. UTA. was just extended an invitation a mere 3.5 years ago. Why would they be granted membership only to have the conference screw them over. And Little Rock has been in the league for a long time. I see no valid reason to boot them.

Yeah, there is no chance we ever dump either school...we like them too much.

The real question is what we do with our football only memberships at the end of the coming year. My guess is they get at least one two year extension...we'll see.

I agree. NMSU and Idaho will be around until at least 2020. Then we should see UTA Football as a replacement for Idaho at the least. If NMSU leaves then the best candidate at this time is Kennesaw State.

2020

East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Idaho (UTA Football as replacement)
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State


2020-2024


East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State

Ain't happening.

What's not happening?

Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.
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