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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-25-2015 11:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
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(10-25-2015 10:54 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  With the addition of Coastal Carolina, with the Sun Belt boot Idaho and New Mexico St. in football to stay at 10? If the Sun Belt were to get raided, I don't think it would matter if the conference was at 10 or 12.

You really don't want to end up at 8 with no immediate options.

Are there no immediate options? Both Liberty and EKU would be ready and could be called on at the drop of a hat. Beyond that, you've got a list of schools who would probably consider a move if the right landscape presented itself.

As I said in the other thread: Take it from a WAC veteran -- once your numbers start dropping all those FCS schools who were so excited to take your calls suddenly stop picking up the phone. Then you're screwed.

I have to say that being in the tail end of the WAC dissolving sucked. I don't want to fall to that few teams again. There weren't as many options in the west but you don't want to set yourself up to be in the same position as the WAC was
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 06:46 PM)slycat Wrote:  
(10-25-2015 11:19 PM)LatahCounty Wrote:  
(10-25-2015 11:13 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-25-2015 11:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-25-2015 10:54 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  With the addition of Coastal Carolina, with the Sun Belt boot Idaho and New Mexico St. in football to stay at 10? If the Sun Belt were to get raided, I don't think it would matter if the conference was at 10 or 12.

You really don't want to end up at 8 with no immediate options.

Are there no immediate options? Both Liberty and EKU would be ready and could be called on at the drop of a hat. Beyond that, you've got a list of schools who would probably consider a move if the right landscape presented itself.

As I said in the other thread: Take it from a WAC veteran -- once your numbers start dropping all those FCS schools who were so excited to take your calls suddenly stop picking up the phone. Then you're screwed.

I have to say that being in the tail end of the WAC dissolving sucked. I don't want to fall to that few teams again. There weren't as many options in the west but you don't want to set yourself up to be in the same position as the WAC was

I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 10:27 AM)EKUFAN Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 07:45 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  How does it make sense? IF (and that's a big IF) NMSU/Idaho are shown the door, then you have a 10/12 split. So there's no imbalance and no need to extend invites.

I can tell you what the talk is coming out of EKU. They were told that both schools would be booted out and 2 new schools added I think in 2018. they were told to upgrade baseball and softball facilities now and the football stadium could wait all upgrades will be started next year

That would make sense (I think a poor choice, but it makes sense).
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 07:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.

I think the depth chart of viable candidates is:

1. EKU
2. Liberty
3. Missouri State (hard to pry them away from the comfy MVC)
4. Lamar
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 08:54 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 07:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.

I think the depth chart of viable candidates is:

1. EKU
2. Liberty
3. Missouri State (hard to pry them away from the comfy MVC)
4. Lamar

I watched part of the Lamar game Saturday. Like it was when we were in the SLC together...no one was there. We have enough of that now. I like to see our schools average at least 20,000. Lamar won't do that.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 08:59 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:54 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 07:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.

I think the depth chart of viable candidates is:

1. EKU
2. Liberty
3. Missouri State (hard to pry them away from the comfy MVC)
4. Lamar

I watched part of the Lamar game Saturday. Like it was when we were in the SLC together...no one was there. We have enough of that now. I like to see our schools average at least 20,000. Lamar won't do that.

Of course I ask this as an Idaho homer who wants another 2 year extension, but how on fire are you guys to make a forever, full commitment to any of those schools? I see some enthusiasm for Missouri State, but they don't seem to want in very badly.
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Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 02:57 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 09:10 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 01:44 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yeah, there is no chance we ever dump either school...we like them too much.

The real question is what we do with our football only memberships at the end of the coming year. My guess is they get at least one two year extension...we'll see.

I agree. NMSU and Idaho will be around until at least 2020. Then we should see UTA Football as a replacement for Idaho at the least. If NMSU leaves then the best candidate at this time is Kennesaw State.

2020

East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Idaho (UTA Football as replacement)
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State


2020-2024


East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State

Ain't happening.

What's not happening?

Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.

I don't know the odds of that, but I like it
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 09:57 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 02:57 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 09:10 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I agree. NMSU and Idaho will be around until at least 2020. Then we should see UTA Football as a replacement for Idaho at the least. If NMSU leaves then the best candidate at this time is Kennesaw State.

2020

East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Idaho (UTA Football as replacement)
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
New Mexico State
Texas State


2020-2024


East

Appalachian State
Coastal Carolina
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Kennesaw State
Troy

West

Arkansas State
Louisiana Lafayette
Louisiana Monroe
South Alabama
Texas Arlington
Texas State

Ain't happening.

What's not happening?

Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.

I don't know the odds of that, but I like it

See that part where it has LTU and ULM in the same division of the same conference? The odds on that are like really, really, low.
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Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 11:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:57 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 02:57 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(10-26-2015 12:51 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Ain't happening.

What's not happening?

Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.

I don't know the odds of that, but I like it

See that part where it has LTU and ULM in the same division of the same conference? The odds on that are like really, really, low.

I wasn't looking at the specifics but overall it looked good to me. Lol
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-27-2015 08:59 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 08:54 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 07:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.

I think the depth chart of viable candidates is:

1. EKU
2. Liberty
3. Missouri State (hard to pry them away from the comfy MVC)
4. Lamar

I watched part of the Lamar game Saturday. Like it was when we were in the SLC together...no one was there. We have enough of that now. I like to see our schools average at least 20,000. Lamar won't do that.

We wouldn't have had 20,000 there, but attendance at Saturday's game was affected by weather. We had 13,150 the game before and I would have otherwise estimated around 14,000+ with decent weather (maybe not so much for the upcoming games because the team has gone in the dumpster the last couple of games due to injuries).

Here in Houston, the public officials (mayor, county judges, etc, and television stations) were advising everyone to stay home if they didn't have to get out. I think the same thing was going on over in Beaumont. The event wasn't as bad as predicted, but Houston still got around 10" of rain Saturday night (about 1/2 of the predicted estimates). There were flood warnings (not watches) all over Southeast Texas. The area had gone through some very serious flooding during the Memorial Day weekend so I think a lot of people heeded the warnings. We did and we're Lamar season ticket holders. We would have been driving back home in the some of the worst time around midnight. I didn't think that would be very safe. I'm not afraid of rain. I've watched games in pouring rain many times over my lifetime, but I don't like driving on or through flooded highways.

A combination of remnants of Hurricane Patricia combined with a large weather mass off from the Gulf combined with the remains of the system of rains that flooded the Dallas-Ft Worth Area were converging on the area. The prediction was that all that would funnel through Houston and into the Beaumont/Port Arthur area because of pressure systems to the north and south of the area. It didn't turn out as bad as the "weather guessers" were predicting because the Patricia remnants thankfully stayed a little more south than was predicted, but Houston still got around 10" of rain from the system AND THE STREETS AND FREEWAYS FLOOD HERE!! Beaumont-Port Arthur was expecting the same, just a little later (like the heaviest part starting a little before the end of the game.)

Link to Memorial Day flooding reports comparing this weekend's event. http://www.click2houston.com/news/compar...g/36062040

Here's a CNN report: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/27/us/cnnphot...-flooding/

Here's an example of some of the flooding we get around here: http://www.weather.com/storms/severe/new...sonhttp:// (Not so much the video, but the article following the video.)
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(10-27-2015 01:41 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
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(10-27-2015 01:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.

UTA posters keep saying it is in the long term plan but I don't know if anything is official. It seems strange they would move to two different FBS conferences (especially since the WAC is still a viable basketball conference) without that being a consideration.

UTA, Texas State, and fans of other ex-SLC teams would know better than I would, but I think the Southland is one of the weakest basketball leagues (Stephen F. Austin's NCAA run a couple years ago notwithstanding). The WAC was a big step up, but then when the WAC started losing more and more teams, they needed a league that was (1) more regionally-friendly and (2) not bleeding schools.

Michael, you have to go back far beyond two years for anything. This has been a process that really began last century:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/proposa...9f31c.html

In 2004, the most public details available happened with a student vote, passed overwhelmingly with a far higher turnout than is usual for a UTA vote, over 10%:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/voters-...136d8.html

Ultimately, it was the resignation of the President who formulated the plans that cause the plan to get sidetracked. New President James Spaniolo looked at our facilities, especially basketball and said wow, that has got to change. I was upset at the time, but looking back, I think it was the right call. Texas Hall is a great theater, and absolutely one POS basketball arena:

https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp...pYW6zxKA-0

College Park Center is an absolute beauty. Anyone who hasn't checked it out is doing themselves a disservice. The arena and game presentation are totally worth it.

Anyway, CPC is used by more than just the athletic department. In the end, that alone brings something to the table. Now, on top of things, a WNBA team is relocating and calling it home. Had we pursued the football route, we'd have a program but still be in the SLC.

But, the President did commission a study on the feasibility of the program. I question some of the numbers, but ultimately thought it did a decent job of breaking it down. Here it is in its entirety.

http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/sports_expansion.pdf

In the report, as well as statements made here and there that when taken solo, make you go huh... But when taken all together, add up to more (see this thread for some examples, http://utamavericks.forumer.com/topic/12...jGQeivPKSo)

Heck, our AD was found when the President who spearheaded College Park Center was down in Austin asking about football. That in and of itself is telling.

The report about sport expansion lays out the blueprint, but isn't the final say. The informal plan as I know it is basically upgrade existing facilities and get every sport on DI-quality standards, look at adding the two women's sports, add football. The biggest obstacle that has been relayed to me is Maverick Stadium is viewed as showing its age. I think it is fine and needs some upgrades along with an expansion, but that is another topic.

As for that petition, it was an independent student not in any way affiliated with getting an actual program who thought it would be neat to do. The number of signatures means nothing as it was nothing more than a sign deal with no ramifications. The most outspoken the students have been was that vote I linked to earlier when a record two-day turnout when UTA had 1/3 to 1/2 less students enrolled then than now voted overwhelmingly in favor.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-28-2015 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:41 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:28 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.

UTA posters keep saying it is in the long term plan but I don't know if anything is official. It seems strange they would move to two different FBS conferences (especially since the WAC is still a viable basketball conference) without that being a consideration.

UTA, Texas State, and fans of other ex-SLC teams would know better than I would, but I think the Southland is one of the weakest basketball leagues (Stephen F. Austin's NCAA run a couple years ago notwithstanding). The WAC was a big step up, but then when the WAC started losing more and more teams, they needed a league that was (1) more regionally-friendly and (2) not bleeding schools.

Michael, you have to go back far beyond two years for anything. This has been a process that really began last century:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/proposa...9f31c.html

In 2004, the most public details available happened with a student vote, passed overwhelmingly with a far higher turnout than is usual for a UTA vote, over 10%:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/voters-...136d8.html

Ultimately, it was the resignation of the President who formulated the plans that cause the plan to get sidetracked. New President James Spaniolo looked at our facilities, especially basketball and said wow, that has got to change. I was upset at the time, but looking back, I think it was the right call. Texas Hall is a great theater, and absolutely one POS basketball arena:

https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp...pYW6zxKA-0

College Park Center is an absolute beauty. Anyone who hasn't checked it out is doing themselves a disservice. The arena and game presentation are totally worth it.

Anyway, CPC is used by more than just the athletic department. In the end, that alone brings something to the table. Now, on top of things, a WNBA team is relocating and calling it home. Had we pursued the football route, we'd have a program but still be in the SLC.

But, the President did commission a study on the feasibility of the program. I question some of the numbers, but ultimately thought it did a decent job of breaking it down. Here it is in its entirety.

http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/sports_expansion.pdf

In the report, as well as statements made here and there that when taken solo, make you go huh... But when taken all together, add up to more (see this thread for some examples, http://utamavericks.forumer.com/topic/12...jGQeivPKSo)

Heck, our AD was found when the President who spearheaded College Park Center was down in Austin asking about football. That in and of itself is telling.

The report about sport expansion lays out the blueprint, but isn't the final say. The informal plan as I know it is basically upgrade existing facilities and get every sport on DI-quality standards, look at adding the two women's sports, add football. The biggest obstacle that has been relayed to me is Maverick Stadium is viewed as showing its age. I think it is fine and needs some upgrades along with an expansion, but that is another topic.

As for that petition, it was an independent student not in any way affiliated with getting an actual program who thought it would be neat to do. The number of signatures means nothing as it was nothing more than a sign deal with no ramifications. The most outspoken the students have been was that vote I linked to earlier when a record two-day turnout when UTA had 1/3 to 1/2 less students enrolled then than now voted overwhelmingly in favor.

Great information! Thank you for the thorough response. Adding football is very expensive and needs to be done right if it's going to be done. Nothing wrong with developing a solid overall athletic program first. But sure, I think it would be great to have a second SBC football school in Texas. Thanks again for the info.
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(10-27-2015 08:54 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 07:28 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  I may get some rebuttle for stating this, but in my opinion, there's just more realistic expansion possibilities in the east. I'm sure there will be those who would make an argument for Lamar, or Missouri State, but for every one of those, there are two in the east. It's just the distribution of viable programs is skewed in that direction.

I think the depth chart of viable candidates is:

1. EKU
2. Liberty
3. Missouri State (hard to pry them away from the comfy MVC)
4. Lamar

Don't forget Kennesaw State

1. Missouri State
2. Kennesas State
3. Lamar
4. Florida A&M
5. Florida Gulf Coast
6. North Florida
7. West Florida
8. Valdosta State
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(10-29-2015 08:09 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-28-2015 10:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:41 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:28 PM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 01:10 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Is there anything outside this message board that indicates UTA is even considering adding football? I googled it and all I found was that there was a student petition back two or three years ago that came up 90% short of the signatures the group had hoped to get. Nothing more came of it.

UTA posters keep saying it is in the long term plan but I don't know if anything is official. It seems strange they would move to two different FBS conferences (especially since the WAC is still a viable basketball conference) without that being a consideration.

UTA, Texas State, and fans of other ex-SLC teams would know better than I would, but I think the Southland is one of the weakest basketball leagues (Stephen F. Austin's NCAA run a couple years ago notwithstanding). The WAC was a big step up, but then when the WAC started losing more and more teams, they needed a league that was (1) more regionally-friendly and (2) not bleeding schools.

Michael, you have to go back far beyond two years for anything. This has been a process that really began last century:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/proposa...9f31c.html

In 2004, the most public details available happened with a student vote, passed overwhelmingly with a far higher turnout than is usual for a UTA vote, over 10%:

http://www.theshorthorn.com/news/voters-...136d8.html

Ultimately, it was the resignation of the President who formulated the plans that cause the plan to get sidetracked. New President James Spaniolo looked at our facilities, especially basketball and said wow, that has got to change. I was upset at the time, but looking back, I think it was the right call. Texas Hall is a great theater, and absolutely one POS basketball arena:

https://www.google.com/search?site=imghp...pYW6zxKA-0

College Park Center is an absolute beauty. Anyone who hasn't checked it out is doing themselves a disservice. The arena and game presentation are totally worth it.

Anyway, CPC is used by more than just the athletic department. In the end, that alone brings something to the table. Now, on top of things, a WNBA team is relocating and calling it home. Had we pursued the football route, we'd have a program but still be in the SLC.

But, the President did commission a study on the feasibility of the program. I question some of the numbers, but ultimately thought it did a decent job of breaking it down. Here it is in its entirety.

http://www.uta.edu/sportsexpansion/sports_expansion.pdf

In the report, as well as statements made here and there that when taken solo, make you go huh... But when taken all together, add up to more (see this thread for some examples, http://utamavericks.forumer.com/topic/12...jGQeivPKSo)

Heck, our AD was found when the President who spearheaded College Park Center was down in Austin asking about football. That in and of itself is telling.

The report about sport expansion lays out the blueprint, but isn't the final say. The informal plan as I know it is basically upgrade existing facilities and get every sport on DI-quality standards, look at adding the two women's sports, add football. The biggest obstacle that has been relayed to me is Maverick Stadium is viewed as showing its age. I think it is fine and needs some upgrades along with an expansion, but that is another topic.

As for that petition, it was an independent student not in any way affiliated with getting an actual program who thought it would be neat to do. The number of signatures means nothing as it was nothing more than a sign deal with no ramifications. The most outspoken the students have been was that vote I linked to earlier when a record two-day turnout when UTA had 1/3 to 1/2 less students enrolled then than now voted overwhelmingly in favor.

Great information! Thank you for the thorough response. Adding football is very expensive and needs to be done right if it's going to be done. Nothing wrong with developing a solid overall athletic program first. But sure, I think it would be great to have a second SBC football school in Texas. Thanks again for the info.

Michael, I posted it here before, but I analyzed the latest public information pointing to the resurrection of the sport in my blog back in April.

http://themaverickrambler.blogspot.com/2...o-uta.html
10-29-2015 08:26 PM
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-28-2015 08:08 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
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(10-27-2015 09:57 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
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(10-26-2015 12:59 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  What's not happening?

Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.

I don't know the odds of that, but I like it

See that part where it has LTU and ULM in the same division of the same conference? The odds on that are like really, really, low.

I wasn't looking at the specifics but overall it looked good to me. Lol

My bad, I'm not exactly familiar with Louisiana geography.
Thirty three miles, a bit close ! In Georgia they'd have been merged by now, well maybe not. GT and GSU are closer, at least in distance.
So ULM drops down to FCS, when they accidentally get left out in the cold and Missouri State is picked up. Problem solved !
I know, that was bad, I'm terribly sorry, and I do apologize.
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RE: Will Sun Belt become 10 school all sports league?
(10-29-2015 11:10 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  
(10-28-2015 08:08 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 11:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 09:57 PM)PantherPride Wrote:  
(10-27-2015 02:57 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  Unless Georgia State gets picked up by CUSA or the AAC, there's no way another Georgia school gets in. Even if Georgia Southern is moved to either of those conferences at some point, I doubt you get GState to go along with it.
I'll say this, if USA and GSU get plucked due to their media market advantages, then you might see Kennesaw State and Jacksonville State added.
If the two current Georgia schools moved in tandem, then maybe Kennesaw State and Mercer Univ. The reason why for MU and not Liberty is they are more mainstream to liberal than LU can ever hope to be, and I believe if offered, they'd take it. It's not there time yet though, no more than it is for either GS or GSU to be making moves either.
For what it's worth, I believe before that happened, we'd see a merger and split of the CUSA and SBC into an East Coast and SouthWest Conference
EAC (Eastern Athletic Conference)
South:
FAU
FIU
GS
GSU
Troy
CCU

North:
App
UNCC
ODU
JMU
MTSU
Marshall

South West Conference
East:
USA
ULM
ULL
USM
LTU
stAte

West:
UTSA
TexState
Rice
UTEP
NMSU
UTA/Idaho

WKU goes to thE MAC or is picked up by the EAC along with UMass for balance.
If that were to happen no doubt MTSU would be South and WKU, North with UMass.

I don't know the odds of that, but I like it

See that part where it has LTU and ULM in the same division of the same conference? The odds on that are like really, really, low.

I wasn't looking at the specifics but overall it looked good to me. Lol

My bad, I'm not exactly familiar with Louisiana geography.
Thirty three miles, a bit close ! In Georgia they'd have been merged by now, well maybe not. GT and GSU are closer, at least in distance.
So ULM drops down to FCS, when they accidentally get left out in the cold and Missouri State is picked up. Problem solved !
I know, that was bad, I'm terribly sorry, and I do apologize.

because the wac is still a basketball conference does not make it a good option for uta to stay there. uta would not want to call many of the current group of schools their peers and also we would not want to be there with txst gone to parts unknown. the wac before it split up had a better quality group of schools.
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