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(10-11-2015 06:30 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  So much for the consecutive 9 win seasons. I can see the NCAA vacating all of the wins. Sucks for ULL and Hud, if he didn't know. That means they would have had a longer losing streak than USM.

UL-Lafayette has vacated its entire 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl victory as a self-imposed penalty. They also imposed two-year probation period of themselves.

Don't know what the NCAA will do yet.
10-11-2015 08:25 PM
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RE: NCAA accuses UL of major recruiting violations
This link provides links to both the NCAA accusations and the University's response.

http://ragincajuns.com/news/2015/10/11/A...55803.aspx

Still trying to read both.
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(10-11-2015 08:25 PM)TechAlum05 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 06:30 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  So much for the consecutive 9 win seasons. I can see the NCAA vacating all of the wins. Sucks for ULL and Hud, if he didn't know. That means they would have had a longer losing streak than USM.

UL-Lafayette has vacated its entire 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl victory as a self-imposed penalty. They also imposed two-year probation period of themselves.

Don't know what the NCAA will do yet.

Meaning they are guilty
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RE: NCAA accuses UL of major recruiting violations
(10-11-2015 08:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  This link provides links to both the NCAA accusations and the University's response.

http://ragincajuns.com/news/2015/10/11/A...55803.aspx

Still trying to read both.

The four allegations in this case are:
1. ACT exam fraud by David Saunders involving six potential football student athletes
2. Recruiting inducements by David Saunders (payments for living and educational expenses)
3. David Saunders giving false and misleading information to NCAA Enforcement
4. David Saunders refusing to provide information to NCAA Enforcement

From the university's response:

UL-Lafayette has self-imposed the following penalties:
1. Imposed a two-year period of probation
2. Reduced initial and total football grant-in-aid for the 2015-16, 2016-17, and 2017-2018 years
3. Reduced the number of permissable off-campus recruiting activities by a total a 40 days during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 academic years
4. Reduced recruiting communications for a 3-week period during Fall 2015
5. The 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl win, have been vacated.
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RE: NCAA accuses UL of major recruiting violations
(10-11-2015 08:27 PM)TechAlum05 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  This link provides links to both the NCAA accusations and the University's response.

http://ragincajuns.com/news/2015/10/11/A...55803.aspx

Still trying to read both.

The four allegations in this case are:
1. ACT exam fraud by David Saunders involving six potential football student athletes
2. Recruiting inducements by David Saunders (payments for living and educational expenses)
3. David Saunders giving false and misleading information to NCAA Enforcement
4. David Saunders refusing to provide information to NCAA Enforcement

From the university's response:

UL-Lafayette has self-imposed the following penalties:
1. Imposed a two-year period of probation
2. Reduced initial and total football grant-in-aid for the 2015-16, 2016-17, and 2017-2018 years
3. Reduced the number of permissable off-campus recruiting activities by a total a 40 days during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 academic years
4. Reduced recruiting communications for a 3-week period during Fall 2015
5. The 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl win, have been vacated.

What's the two-year period of probation consist of exactly? My computer is locking up every time I try to read the PDF documents.
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RE: NCAA accuses UL of major recruiting violations
(10-11-2015 08:26 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:25 PM)TechAlum05 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 06:30 PM)Cscollis Wrote:  So much for the consecutive 9 win seasons. I can see the NCAA vacating all of the wins. Sucks for ULL and Hud, if he didn't know. That means they would have had a longer losing streak than USM.

UL-Lafayette has vacated its entire 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl victory as a self-imposed penalty. They also imposed two-year probation period of themselves.

Don't know what the NCAA will do yet.

Meaning they are guilty

Geez man, was that ever in doubt?
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Those are multiple level 1 violations and the NCAA will not deem your self imposed sanctions sufficient. We tried similar sanctions and got hammered
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(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Those are multiple level 1 violations and the NCAA will not deem your self imposed sanctions sufficient. We tried similar sanctions and got hammered

Are you talking death penalty era, or more recent?
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(10-11-2015 08:46 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Those are multiple level 1 violations and the NCAA will not deem your self imposed sanctions sufficient. We tried similar sanctions and got hammered

Are you talking death penalty era, or more recent?

Decision handed down last week. We had a secretary take an online class for a player. Post season ban, coach suspended 9 games, scholarships reduced by 9 over 3 years, vacated wins and reduced recruiting visits

We self reported, fired the secretary and an assistant coach
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(10-11-2015 08:48 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:46 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:40 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Those are multiple level 1 violations and the NCAA will not deem your self imposed sanctions sufficient. We tried similar sanctions and got hammered

Are you talking death penalty era, or more recent?

Decision handed down last week. We had a secretary take an online class for a player. Post season ban, coach suspended 9 games, scholarships reduced by 9 over 3 years, vacated wins and reduced recruiting visits

We self reported, fired the secretary and an assistant coach

Well that's not sounding too rosy for the Cajuns then. Any belief by the admin that the severity of the sanctions was influenced in any way by SMU's other recent problems with the NCAA? I ask because overall we've not had any significant issues for a long while now.
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Re: SMU And this assistant I'm sure worked independently with the secretary and made an excecutive decision without the faintest tidbit of indirect communication further up the chain......just saying....:) I'll digress
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Man, I wish we were good enough to warrant NCAA Sanctions. . . . . . Sigh . . . .
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If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.
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(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

NCAA can't have a system that allows the head coach to play dumb and have no significant punishment. Otherwise there is too much incentive for the head coach to create a hands off program. They will take the approach that you should have known or you shouldn't have hired the guy. They call it lack of institutional control.
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Yep, the allegations and violations are severe. The NCAA is going to go further...
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(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

I'm not so sure . . I could be mistaken, but in the SMU case, I don't think Larry Brown knew . . . But the NCAA contended that he "should have known". . .. .

. . .. Not knowing did not prove to be much of a defense . . . .

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken on that . . . . But I could have sworn I read that somewhere . . . .
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(10-11-2015 08:38 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:27 PM)TechAlum05 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 08:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  This link provides links to both the NCAA accusations and the University's response.

http://ragincajuns.com/news/2015/10/11/A...55803.aspx

Still trying to read both.

The four allegations in this case are:
1. ACT exam fraud by David Saunders involving six potential football student athletes
2. Recruiting inducements by David Saunders (payments for living and educational expenses)
3. David Saunders giving false and misleading information to NCAA Enforcement
4. David Saunders refusing to provide information to NCAA Enforcement

From the university's response:

UL-Lafayette has self-imposed the following penalties:
1. Imposed a two-year period of probation
2. Reduced initial and total football grant-in-aid for the 2015-16, 2016-17, and 2017-2018 years
3. Reduced the number of permissable off-campus recruiting activities by a total a 40 days during the 2014-15 and 2015-16 academic years
4. Reduced recruiting communications for a 3-week period during Fall 2015
5. The 2011 football season, including the 2011 New Orleans Bowl win, have been vacated.

What's the two-year period of probation consist of exactly? My computer is locking up every time I try to read the PDF documents.

Basically its a thing where if you do it again, you automatically face serious punishment. Makes you subject to the repeat violator rule, which SMU fans can tell you all about.

The reality is, there are several major NCAA infractions at play here, not the least of which is virtually academic fraud. They'll likely accept the Cajuns punishments, and add a few more of their own. Don't book those seats for the 2016 New Orleans Bowl just yet.
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(10-11-2015 09:11 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

I'm not so sure . . I could be mistaken, but in the SMU case, I don't think Larry Brown knew . . . But the NCAA contended that he "should have known". . .. .

. . .. Not knowing did not prove to be much of a defense . . . .

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken on that . . . . But I could have sworn I read that somewhere . . . .

Correct. Hudspeth will get dingled because he should have known what was going on. Brown got suspended because his programs have a unique history of getting in trouble. Thankfully for Cajun fans, Hudspeth doesn't have that yet.

My guess: 1 year Bowl Ban, four years probation, 15 lost scholarships for two years, and a fine of some sort.
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RE: NCAA accuses UL of major recruiting violations
(10-11-2015 09:05 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If Hudspeth's nose is clean in all of this, I think the NCAA will come down lightly on UL-L. If it can be proven that he had knowledge that this was going on, then it'll get really, really ugly for the Cajuns. I don't think he knew, but that is based on absolutely nothing.

I don't think that's how the NCAA operates....ie....did the head coach know or not. Based on what Pony94 posted, I expect the hammer to come down hard, really hard.

As for Hud, I'd be shocked and amazed that he knew of or tolerated something like this in his program. I make that statement based purely on what I've read about his past and how he operates.

Having said that, if Hud did know about the scheme, or provided some sort of cover for it after the fact, I'd be in favor of immediate termination of his services, with cause. I don't believe it will come to that.

We're in for a rough ride.
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