The way it sits right now, we get 25,000 for Howard, and could only get about 31,000 for Notre Dame, because that's all our stadium will hold. If we were getting 25,000 for Howard while playing in a 50,000 seat stadium, a 2-1 may make more sense, but when you don't get the paycheck for the extra away game, there is no reason to schedule it. None. I fully agree with the stAte AD when he says, if it's a 1-1 with a payday game, then, it's okay. It appears the GaSouthern AD is thinking in the same terms, and you should be happy that he is sticking to his guns, instead of shooting his program in the foot. Hopefully (and so far I feel), our AD agrees.

When you start to schedule upper P5's you would be wise to start with the 2 for 1's or you may never get the H/Hs. I get some schools need the money but until you are established most of those schools ain't biting.

Get a decent G5 H/H, add in one away bodybag and grab a 2/1 with someone else. Exposure, exposure. The attendance issues will iron themselves out with more expansion.

App capacity 33K?, bring in bleachers. BCS capacity is 30,008 and we had 33,006 for TTech. Brought in bleachers.

That thing about season tickets? Yeah, TTech fans did that too.

Typically in a 2 for 1 you get about a third to half the cash for the extra game

(09-14-2015 05:26 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  Its all about the money, and home games. It would be great to get a P5 to play us at home, but we NEED the money. Until we sell 10k season tix and raise over 3M in annual donations we need 2 money games a year to cover football and Olympic sports. Also, unless it is a top tiet P5 I wouldn't do a 2 for 1 anyway.

^^^^^^^This^^^^^^

The only 2-1 deals we have had in the past that I can remember were against Ole Miss (2001) and Louisville (2010.) We also had a Home/Home with Missouri where our "Home" game was at Arrowhead Stadium, and a Home/Home with OkSt where our "Home" game was in Little Rock. I thought the OkSt game was a good deal for us at that time. I still would not be against a home game in Little Rock against a big name opponent. Our fan base is pretty divided about playing any of our 6 home games in Little Rock.

(09-14-2015 12:29 PM)HCJag Wrote:  I like scheduling the 2 for 1 as long as it's a p5 with a national brand name that everyone recognizes. Bringing in an Ok St or NC State in 2-fers to mix with the money games is great marketing in my opinion. Yes you lose a little money, but bringing MS State to a 40K stadium will net you a million and generate marketing you'd have never had. That might be worth the money game you give up.

I totally agree. Hosting and beating OK St and Missouri on national tv helped Troy a lot. I still think we should do these, if NC State agrees on a 1-for-1 even better, but I would even consider doing a rare 3-for-1 with an even bigger school such as Tennessee, Fla St or schools that really want to recruit hard in the area (Michigan St).

(09-14-2015 12:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 12:10 PM)Yosef84 Wrote:  If you have un-sold capacity, that is true. If you are already consistently selling out your stadium though, the benefit is a lot harder to measure.

(09-14-2015 10:23 AM)Usajags Wrote:  A 2 for 1 for the right team could be huge for season ticket sells for that home season. Imagine for GaSo if they were to get UGA(hypothetical) your season tickets for that home season would be incredible, helping all season, not just for that one game. You would have UGA fans buying season tickets, just to go to that one game.

The same happened 10 years or so ago when Alabama played at Duke, Alabama fans bought season tickets at Duke just to be able to attend that game in Duke. Really surprised that stAte didn't see the same from Mizzou coming in this past weekend.

I completely understand that. We don't have that issue, we average close to 15k in a nearly 40k stadium. So we have room to sell tons more tickets for that 2 for 1. Hopefully this won't always be the case and we can get that OCS soon.

Makes perfect sense for USA not for App and GSU right now. It better be a really good P5 though that will draw.

When we get our OCS, I'd love for us to do the same as UCF when they openned their OCS. Bring in a major P5 to be sure to fill the building up and bring a lot of excitement to the program. They had Texas, I'd like to see FSU, Florida, Tennessee, Notre Dame, someone of that caliber. Would never expect Alabama or Auburn to take that chance.

(09-13-2015 09:13 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(09-13-2015 08:59 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Do other Belt teams schedule 2 for 1 deals in football?

I wouldn't like it, if stAte did it.

Pay us, or play us... at home.

I'd like to edit the above.

I'd be okay with stAte signing a 2 for 1 with Notre Dame, because of the national media exposure.

The rest of college football can pound sand on a 2 for 1.

(09-14-2015 01:17 PM)CatMom Wrote:  When you start to schedule upper P5's you would be wise to start with the 2 for 1's or you may never get the H/Hs. I get some schools need the money but until you are established most of those schools ain't biting.

Get a decent G5 H/H, add in one away bodybag and grab a 2/1 with someone else. Exposure, exposure. The attendance issues will iron themselves out with more expansion.

App capacity 33K?, bring in bleachers. BCS capacity is 30,008 and we had 33,006 for TTech. Brought in bleachers.

That thing about season tickets? Yeah, TTech fans did that too.

We turned down Notre Dame recently because they wouldn't give us a home game, or a competitive guarantee.

We did a 2 and 1 with Oklahoma St in 2010.....I believe the way it was done was we did a home and home where both Universities kept the entire gate and 1 money away game for us where the big check was collected. I have no problem with that type of contract......we did a 3 and 1 with Alabama in the late 1980's where we travelled to Bama in 87', 88' and 89' and Bama visited Cajun Field in 1990......it was worth it

(09-14-2015 12:57 PM)AppinVA Wrote:  The way it sits right now, we get 25,000 for Howard, and could only get about 31,000 for Notre Dame, because that's all our stadium will hold. If we were getting 25,000 for Howard while playing in a 50,000 seat stadium, a 2-1 may make more sense, but when you don't get the paycheck for the extra away game, there is no reason to schedule it. None. I fully agree with the stAte AD when he says, if it's a 1-1 with a payday game, then, it's okay. It appears the GaSouthern AD is thinking in the same terms, and you should be happy that he is sticking to his guns, instead of shooting his program in the foot. Hopefully (and so far I feel), our AD agrees.

I agree ...........

For the long term future (especially since some of these games are scheduled 5-7 years down the road, this makes perfect sense.

(09-14-2015 06:43 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I agree with this. A 2 for 1 is a ripoff. I hope we don't consider one until we've at least expanded the stadium.

This. We're filling up the stadium against Western Michigan and (unfortunately) we still need the money from P5's.

That's the rub. As long as there is this arms race for facilities and coaches, home sell-outs won't amount much in the grand scheme of things. Football stopped covering its own costs for most teams long ago. There's a reason most G5 schools have high student fees compared to their P5 peers. Less than a handful of all D1 schools have no subsidy whatsoever.

In my opinion, 2 for 1's are crap. The team has to to get there, lodge, feed everyone and transport the equipment twice. The home game will cover those two costs, but how much is leftover after that?

I'd rather Home and Home a good G5 like Utah State than do a 2-1 with a P5.

G5 should stop doing 2-1

(09-16-2015 04:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:43 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I agree with this. A 2 for 1 is a ripoff. I hope we don't consider one until we've at least expanded the stadium.

This. We're filling up the stadium against Western Michigan and (unfortunately) we still need the money from P5's.

That's the rub. As long as there is this arms race for facilities and coaches, home sell-outs won't amount much in the grand scheme of things. Football stopped covering its own costs for most teams long ago. There's a reason most G5 schools have high student fees compared to their P5 peers. Less than a handful of all D1 schools have no subsidy whatsoever.

In my opinion, 2 for 1's are crap. The team has to to get there, lodge, feed everyone and transport the equipment twice. The home game will cover those two costs, but how much is leftover after that?

It all depends on the P5, I would think. Having in state P5 2/1s isn't as taxing on TXST as it would be if it were, say, LSU. Baylor is a 2 hr drive, we have an equipment truck. They could leave at 8AM and get there by 10AM for a 6 PM game. No housing involved. The truck may take a little longer but it wouldn't have to be "housed" anywhere except the stadium. As for the team, even if it's 1 night it's a lot better than 2 for some of the other trips or, like FSU, where they got back to SM at 5:15 AM Sunday.

For the "established" teams 2/1s may make no sense. I'm having no problem with us doing it right now. We don't need the money as much (not saying not at all) as some but we need to build our resume.

A two hour drive is the max distance if you ask me. Any more than that and there is either a sluggish drive effect, or lodging required.

(09-16-2015 05:28 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 04:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:43 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I agree with this. A 2 for 1 is a ripoff. I hope we don't consider one until we've at least expanded the stadium.

This. We're filling up the stadium against Western Michigan and (unfortunately) we still need the money from P5's.

That's the rub. As long as there is this arms race for facilities and coaches, home sell-outs won't amount much in the grand scheme of things. Football stopped covering its own costs for most teams long ago. There's a reason most G5 schools have high student fees compared to their P5 peers. Less than a handful of all D1 schools have no subsidy whatsoever.

In my opinion, 2 for 1's are crap. The team has to to get there, lodge, feed everyone and transport the equipment twice. The home game will cover those two costs, but how much is leftover after that?

It all depends on the P5, I would think. Having in state P5 2/1s isn't as taxing on TXST as it would be if it were, say, LSU. Baylor is a 2 hr drive, we have an equipment truck. They could leave at 8AM and get there by 10AM for a 6 PM game. No housing involved. The truck may take a little longer but it wouldn't have to be "housed" anywhere except the stadium. As for the team, even if it's 1 night it's a lot better than 2 for some of the other trips or, like FSU, where they got back to SM at 5:15 AM Sunday.

For the "established" teams 2/1s may make no sense. I'm having no problem with us doing it right now. We don't need the money as much (not saying not at all) as some but we need to build our resume.

The Baylor 2-1 is fine for TXST. A little different situation.

(09-16-2015 09:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 05:28 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 04:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:43 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:20 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I agree with this. A 2 for 1 is a ripoff. I hope we don't consider one until we've at least expanded the stadium.

This. We're filling up the stadium against Western Michigan and (unfortunately) we still need the money from P5's.

That's the rub. As long as there is this arms race for facilities and coaches, home sell-outs won't amount much in the grand scheme of things. Football stopped covering its own costs for most teams long ago. There's a reason most G5 schools have high student fees compared to their P5 peers. Less than a handful of all D1 schools have no subsidy whatsoever.

In my opinion, 2 for 1's are crap. The team has to to get there, lodge, feed everyone and transport the equipment twice. The home game will cover those two costs, but how much is leftover after that?

It all depends on the P5, I would think. Having in state P5 2/1s isn't as taxing on TXST as it would be if it were, say, LSU. Baylor is a 2 hr drive, we have an equipment truck. They could leave at 8AM and get there by 10AM for a 6 PM game. No housing involved. The truck may take a little longer but it wouldn't have to be "housed" anywhere except the stadium. As for the team, even if it's 1 night it's a lot better than 2 for some of the other trips or, like FSU, where they got back to SM at 5:15 AM Sunday.

For the "established" teams 2/1s may make no sense. I'm having no problem with us doing it right now. We don't need the money as much (not saying not at all) as some but we need to build our resume.

The Baylor 2-1 is fine for TXST. A little different situation.

And that's the key when schools schedule these things . .. . For some, it's not in their interest . . . For others, it's a necessary part of their programs development . . Either for scheduling or exposure purposes . . . . Just depends on the particular school's situation . . . .

(09-16-2015 10:24 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 09:58 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 05:28 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-16-2015 04:10 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 06:43 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  This. We're filling up the stadium against Western Michigan and (unfortunately) we still need the money from P5's.

That's the rub. As long as there is this arms race for facilities and coaches, home sell-outs won't amount much in the grand scheme of things. Football stopped covering its own costs for most teams long ago. There's a reason most G5 schools have high student fees compared to their P5 peers. Less than a handful of all D1 schools have no subsidy whatsoever.

In my opinion, 2 for 1's are crap. The team has to to get there, lodge, feed everyone and transport the equipment twice. The home game will cover those two costs, but how much is leftover after that?

It all depends on the P5, I would think. Having in state P5 2/1s isn't as taxing on TXST as it would be if it were, say, LSU. Baylor is a 2 hr drive, we have an equipment truck. They could leave at 8AM and get there by 10AM for a 6 PM game. No housing involved. The truck may take a little longer but it wouldn't have to be "housed" anywhere except the stadium. As for the team, even if it's 1 night it's a lot better than 2 for some of the other trips or, like FSU, where they got back to SM at 5:15 AM Sunday.

For the "established" teams 2/1s may make no sense. I'm having no problem with us doing it right now. We don't need the money as much (not saying not at all) as some but we need to build our resume.

The Baylor 2-1 is fine for TXST. A little different situation.

And that's the key when schools schedule these things . .. . For some, it's not in their interest . . . For others, it's a necessary part of their programs development . . Either for scheduling or exposure purposes . . . . Just depends on the particular school's situation . . . .

What about a 2 football for a 1 football and 1 basketball?