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App State @ Clemson
What are yall's expectations?
(If your an mountain-type person, answer with first with your heart, then with your head.)

I say Clemson by 20. Their defense is scary good again this year. They were the #1 D in the country last year and had 10 TFL's against Wofford last week. Their offense looks even better than it did last year.

And I don't want to hear "Wofford is FCS so it doesn't matter if Clemson did well vs them."

Georgia Southern and App St are both 4-3 against them over the last 7 meetings, and those all happened within the last 9 years. Wofford plays FBS team well usually.

I think App State is definitely a solid candidate for Sunbelt champs this year... and I think they could beat several P5 teams... but I don't see it this weekend.

Clemson 34 App St 14

What say you?
09-09-2015 03:52 PM
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I really have no idea, but that sounds about right. 31-10 range.
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RE: App State @ Clemson
I think we can keep it around the spread of 17 pts. Clemson gets a look at triple option annually with Ga. Tech so they defend it pretty well. WoCo isn't even at the top of the SoCon this season and are typically a little undersized so I'm not surprised that Clemson shut them down pretty effectively. We'll have a more balanced attack and I hope we can shut down the QB (wishful thinking, I'm afraid) to at least stay in it.

My heart tells me we have a shot, especially now that we won't be as winded late in the game due to greater depth. Clemson's size and speed will take a toll however and I think we'll play them well for a loss by a couple of TD's.
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Don't run into the goal post.

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If the offensive line can create a consistent push against Clemson's defense and allow Cox and Upshaw to get up to the second level I expect this to be a 17 point win for Clemson. (Simply because Clemson will more than likely have a couple of big plays that App won't be able to match.)

If the offensive line is pushed back into Taylor's face and the running backs are struggling to find a hole around the line of scrimmage then it will be a long day. Despite that very generalized breakdown, these types of games are often won or lost due to the play at the line of scrimmage. Clemson could take a note from WVU if they feel their skill players on defense match up well with Apps. Simply run man press, put a hat on a hat on the defensive line and allow the linebackers to have a field day.

I don't expect a win but the lack of an explosive receiver is something that ultimately hurt Appalachian in this type of game.
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42-38 Clem's son.
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RE: App State @ Clemson
I honestly think it depends . . . .

On how quickly the game gets out of hand

And how quickly Clemson calls off the dogs

I think you may hang with them for a half, but in the second half, there's potential for it to get ugly . . . . .
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(09-09-2015 04:32 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  I honestly think it depends . . . .

On how quickly the game gets out of hand

And how quickly Clemson calls off the dogs

I think you may hang with them for a half, but in the second half, there's potential for it to get ugly . . . . .

You want to know how that can be stopped?

By the offensive line getting enough push to allow Cox and Upshaw to grind out ~5 ypc. If that happens then the defense will be allowed enough rest to not be gassed come the 8 minute mark of the third quarter.

I haven't watched enough Clemson football to know how they will affect the running game but I can imagine that they were number one in several defensive categories for a reason last season. If App can get the stretch and misdirection working enough to open up some holes then I expect App will have decent success in the ground game. Of course i'm basing this off of the way App was able to run against Michigan and Louisiana last season (two of the better run defense teams with comparable defensive lines to what Clemson will have in terms of size and athleticism).

One thing I hope to see regardless of score is for Lamb to continue to make good decisions. Last week, albeit was against Howard, I did not see one ill-advised throw or read on his part. If the game isn't too big for him, I expect that to continue and that will go a long way in keeping this game close for longer than it otherwise would.

In this game, App's run game will be their best defense. Keep Clemson's offense on the sideline.
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RE: App State @ Clemson
starts with the receivers, in the games against VT, Florida, and last year, Michigan, we got blown out early because those teams pressed covered at the line of scrimmage our receivers with only single coverage, after a few plays, they realized single coverage was enough, so that freed up the linebackers and safeties to blitz almost every play. When you have 7 or 8 4 and 5 star defenders overrunning your OL your qb and running backs will have no chance. We have to complete some passes early to keep them honest, if we do we will give them a game into the 4th Clemson 38 App 24, but, if they immediately shut down our receiving corp, this game will be over by halftime. Clemson 52 App 13
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(09-09-2015 05:12 PM)moehler Wrote:  starts with the receivers, in the games against VT, Florida, and last year, Michigan, we got blown out early because those teams pressed covered at the line of scrimmage our receivers with only single coverage, after a few plays, they realized single coverage was enough, so that freed up the linebackers and safeties to blitz almost every play. When you have 7 or 8 4 and 5 star defenders overrunning your OL your qb and running backs will have no chance. We have to complete some passes early to keep them honest, if we do we will give them a game into the 4th Clemson 38 App 24, but, if they immediately shut down our receiving corp, this game will be over by halftime. Clemson 52 App 13

Go watch the game from last year again. The biggest problem wasn't the receivers, it was Kam locking onto his first read for more than 3 seconds. He didn't think to change into a running play or to go to his hot read, but instead took a step back and stared at one guy. That can't happen and it isn't something I see Lamb do often. (He did it on the 50 yard TD to Meadors)

But the QB absolutely cannot lock onto one guy and he needs to know where his outlet is.
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RE: App State @ Clemson
Wofford hasn't been any good since 2012...this one should be closer.

34-21 Clemmie.
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(09-09-2015 05:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Wofford hasn't been any good since 2012...this one should be closer.

34-21 Clemmie.

Logic: Wofford is down therefor this game should be close. If only the world worked that way.
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(09-09-2015 05:57 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 05:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Wofford hasn't been any good since 2012...this one should be closer.

34-21 Clemmie.

Logic: Wofford is down therefor this game should be close. If only the world worked that way.

In 2011, Troy trailed Clemson by 7 in the 4th QTR. Troy ended up 3-9 and having the worst season in our former head coach's history. Clemson had a breakout year. They played Wofford after Troy and only beat them 35-28. Clemson will play down to Appalachian State and give them a chance to win.
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RE: App State @ Clemson
(09-09-2015 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 05:57 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 05:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Wofford hasn't been any good since 2012...this one should be closer.

34-21 Clemmie.

Logic: Wofford is down therefor this game should be close. If only the world worked that way.

In 2011, Troy trailed Clemson by 7 in the 4th QTR. Troy ended up 3-9 and having the worst season in our former head coach's history. Clemson had a breakout year. They played Wofford after Troy and only beat them 35-28. Clemson will play down to Appalachian State and give them a chance to win.
They didn't play down to Wofford four days ago. This isn't the 2011 Clemson Tigers. It's the best team App has played since LSU in 2008.
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(09-09-2015 06:59 PM)DrGonzo Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:48 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 05:57 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 05:22 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Wofford hasn't been any good since 2012...this one should be closer.

34-21 Clemmie.

Logic: Wofford is down therefor this game should be close. If only the world worked that way.

In 2011, Troy trailed Clemson by 7 in the 4th QTR. Troy ended up 3-9 and having the worst season in our former head coach's history. Clemson had a breakout year. They played Wofford after Troy and only beat them 35-28. Clemson will play down to Appalachian State and give them a chance to win.
They didn't play down to Wofford four days ago. This isn't the 2011 Clemson Tigers. It's the best team App has played since LSU in 2008.

LSU didn't have a quarterback that year where Clemson does. This game won't be based on the play of their QB though. It will be won or lost on the offensive and defensive line play, and Lamb's decision making in calling out protections and understanding when to pull off of his first read when throwing.
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If the players have the same attitude as the fans then they might as well stay in Boone. Have some faith in your team. Say some positive things about your team, even if you don't believe it. I'll be rooting for you.
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(09-09-2015 07:12 PM)PirateJim Wrote:  If the players have the same attitude as the fans then they might as well stay in Boone. Have some faith in your team. Say some positive things about your team, even if you don't believe it. I'll be rooting for you.

The real point isn't having blind faith but understanding what must happen to win. It's not any different than any other game, just accomplishing the small things that lead to a win get a little more difficult. The degree of difficulty depends on the match-up's of individuals and then position groups.

It's really tough to see much considering Clemson replaced 8 starters on defense from a year ago and App only replaced one on offense. How will the stretch plays and misdirection work against Clemson's speed? How quick can Lamb make his reads? How fast will the holes close up in the running game? How will the offense operate in the noise?

No one knows, but most recognize that several of those event's need to go in App's favor to make up for the talent gap.
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(09-09-2015 07:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 07:12 PM)PirateJim Wrote:  If the players have the same attitude as the fans then they might as well stay in Boone. Have some faith in your team. Say some positive things about your team, even if you don't believe it. I'll be rooting for you.

The real point isn't having blind faith but understanding what must happen to win. It's not any different than any other game, just accomplishing the small things that lead to a win get a little more difficult. The degree of difficulty depends on the match-up's of individuals and then position groups.

It's really tough to see much considering Clemson replaced 8 starters on defense from a year ago and App only replaced one on offense. How will the stretch plays and misdirection work against Clemson's speed? How quick can Lamb make his reads? How fast will the holes close up in the running game? How will the offense operate in the noise?

No one knows, but most recognize that several of those event's need to go in App's favor to make up for the talent gap.

Ya never know.
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The one thing App has now is depth as compared to the 1-AA days. If turnovers are not the star for either team, I think it's a game within 13 pts.
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(09-09-2015 07:31 PM)App State 85 Wrote:  The one thing App has now is depth as compared to the 1-AA days. If turnovers are not the star for either team, I think it's a game within 13 pts.

In games like this, consecutive 3 and out's are nearly as bad as turnovers. The offensive line needs to be able to open holes and Lamb needs to read and react. Not read..................................and react (i.e. Kam Bryant for 3 quarters against Michigan).
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