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RE: SEC/ACC Territory
(09-09-2015 10:29 AM)rbostic218 Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 09:48 AM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  I think the big problem for G5s in P5 areas or large urban areas is lack of interest (relatively speaking). For instance, in Huntington (pop. 50,000 with a metro area roughly 100,000) it is everything Marshall all over the front page and sport section. Local news puts the Herd highlights first in coverage, so we really get max exposure not to mention that the whole city lives, breathes, and bleeds Kelly green. I suspect things are largely similar in Hattiesburg, Ruston, Denton, Statesboro, Greenville, Boise, Boone, and the like.

FIU and FAU, Rice, SMU, Tulane (lmfao), UTSA, etc are probably buried on page 25 of the sports section, get little to no news coverage and no publicity of any relevance. Not their fault, it's just hard to compete with UM, the Dolphins, and the other Florida schools.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.
This is true in Statesboro about the local community they do support the eagles. But you have to realize that Southern has only been playing for about 30yrs in the modern area. A lot of GS fans are also UGA fans as well and root for them equally. I know a lot of season ticket holders who keep up with the score at the game when the dawgs are playing. As you can see on this board we have some of the most loyal fans at any level.

This is the same case for USA. Our program is so new nearly all of our fans are dual fans of Auburn or Alabama too since there was nobody else in the city to root for (and I'm thankful that our AU & UA faithful have embraced the Jags). During the games everyone's keeping up with the SEC scores and cheering and/or booing good-naturedly because unlike the non-Jag supporters they share a common bond, which helps keep it a good-natured rivalry.

The most important thing we Jags fans have to keep in mind is the children of these dual fans - the first college football game most of them will have ever been to is a USA game. Their children will be the same way. This is why 20 years from now, Mobile will bleed MUCH redder than it does today.
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RE: SEC/ACC Territory
This is all really interesting.
I've been wanting to watch some SunBelt/Conference USA games but by the time the MAC games are finished, the Mount West is about the only G5 conference still playing. Gonna try to catch a few this year!

(09-08-2015 09:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Many of us take advantage of the local FCS to bring in large crowds.
There aren't any FCS schools in Michigan, but I know Ball St and Northern Illinois draw huge crowds vs their in-state FCS schools.
(09-08-2015 09:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ultimately, those of us who are the most successful on the field, bring in the largest crowds, those struggling, play games in front of empty seats (See Georgia State)
Yah it can be like that in the MAC (see Eastern Mich, Akron)

Also wanted to add that for WMU (and other decent MAC teams like Toledo, Central Mich, NIU, Ohio) you can count on 3 home games to have solid attendance no matter what:
1.) Opening night
2.) Homecoming
3.) The rivalry game
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(09-08-2015 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Greetings everyone from MAC territory!

I'm a fan of Western Michigan and the MAC, but will cheer for any G5 team. I was recently in Atlanta and just noticed how HUGE college football is down there. Problem is, 7 out of 10 people are in ACC/SEC gear (as opposed to no college gear)

My question is, how does the Sun Belt survive down there? We in the MAC are unfortunate being surrounded by top programs like Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Michigan. We're also not helped that it's too cold to sit and watch mid-major football for most people once the season is half over. But it seems like it's just worse down there. Pro sports have less of a sway and you're still also surrounded by teams like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, NC St, etc. There's also of course still the Big 10 alumni who are down there for the warm weather.

I don't know, maybe the Sun Belt does OK with it being perfect weather to watch football the whole season? I don't know.

Thoughts?

Thank you!

Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.
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(09-09-2015 06:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Greetings everyone from MAC territory!

I'm a fan of Western Michigan and the MAC, but will cheer for any G5 team. I was recently in Atlanta and just noticed how HUGE college football is down there. Problem is, 7 out of 10 people are in ACC/SEC gear (as opposed to no college gear)

My question is, how does the Sun Belt survive down there? We in the MAC are unfortunate being surrounded by top programs like Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Michigan. We're also not helped that it's too cold to sit and watch mid-major football for most people once the season is half over. But it seems like it's just worse down there. Pro sports have less of a sway and you're still also surrounded by teams like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, NC St, etc. There's also of course still the Big 10 alumni who are down there for the warm weather.

I don't know, maybe the Sun Belt does OK with it being perfect weather to watch football the whole season? I don't know.

Thoughts?

Thank you!

Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.

North Carolina is too wrapped up in college basketball which, in my opinion, is what makes having an allegiance to Appalachian great. It's a true football school and the surrounding area gets fairly decent coverage compared to the Triangles three ACC teams.
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(09-09-2015 06:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Greetings everyone from MAC territory!

I'm a fan of Western Michigan and the MAC, but will cheer for any G5 team. I was recently in Atlanta and just noticed how HUGE college football is down there. Problem is, 7 out of 10 people are in ACC/SEC gear (as opposed to no college gear)

My question is, how does the Sun Belt survive down there? We in the MAC are unfortunate being surrounded by top programs like Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Michigan. We're also not helped that it's too cold to sit and watch mid-major football for most people once the season is half over. But it seems like it's just worse down there. Pro sports have less of a sway and you're still also surrounded by teams like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, NC St, etc. There's also of course still the Big 10 alumni who are down there for the warm weather.

I don't know, maybe the Sun Belt does OK with it being perfect weather to watch football the whole season? I don't know.

Thoughts?

Thank you!

Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.

North Carolina is too wrapped up in college basketball which, in my opinion, is what makes having an allegiance to Appalachian great. It's a true football school and the surrounding area gets fairly decent coverage compared to the Triangles three ACC teams.

Yep, when I was at Ft. Bragg my buddy dated a girl at UNC they only time they went to a football game was based around the opponent not for UNC. There really is no reason NC should not have a NC contender in football. They have the same population or more than most southern states.
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(09-09-2015 06:10 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Greetings everyone from MAC territory!

I'm a fan of Western Michigan and the MAC, but will cheer for any G5 team. I was recently in Atlanta and just noticed how HUGE college football is down there. Problem is, 7 out of 10 people are in ACC/SEC gear (as opposed to no college gear)

My question is, how does the Sun Belt survive down there? We in the MAC are unfortunate being surrounded by top programs like Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Michigan. We're also not helped that it's too cold to sit and watch mid-major football for most people once the season is half over. But it seems like it's just worse down there. Pro sports have less of a sway and you're still also surrounded by teams like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, NC St, etc. There's also of course still the Big 10 alumni who are down there for the warm weather.

I don't know, maybe the Sun Belt does OK with it being perfect weather to watch football the whole season? I don't know.

Thoughts?

Thank you!

Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.

North Carolina is too wrapped up in college basketball which, in my opinion, is what makes having an allegiance to Appalachian great. It's a true football school and the surrounding area gets fairly decent coverage compared to the Triangles three ACC teams.

Yep, when I was at Ft. Bragg my buddy dated a girl at UNC they only time they went to a football game was based around the opponent not for UNC. There really is no reason NC should not have a NC contender in football. They have the same population or more than most southern states.

I have lived in Raleigh, Greenville, and grew up just down the mountain from Boone and honestly, as many people that go to football games and seem to care only see it as a social event. There are no genuine feelings to how UNC, State, or Duke will perform in football, only the expectations of mediocrity in all sports that aren't basketball or baseball.

People in the area from Boone to Asheville to the Greensboro area have really embraced App football and I believe it has become a mainstay. My only concern with the move to FBS is that people become complacent. Do you continue to show up to see an 8-4 team at the end of the season when you have 3 legitimate NC contenders in basketball two hours away in late fall? In North Carolina, that is a no.
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(09-09-2015 05:34 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  This is all really interesting.
I've been wanting to watch some SunBelt/Conference USA games but by the time the MAC games are finished, the Mount West is about the only G5 conference still playing. Gonna try to catch a few this year!

(09-08-2015 09:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Many of us take advantage of the local FCS to bring in large crowds.
There aren't any FCS schools in Michigan, but I know Ball St and Northern Illinois draw huge crowds vs their in-state FCS schools.
(09-08-2015 09:12 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Ultimately, those of us who are the most successful on the field, bring in the largest crowds, those struggling, play games in front of empty seats (See Georgia State)
Yah it can be like that in the MAC (see Eastern Mich, Akron)

Also wanted to add that for WMU (and other decent MAC teams like Toledo, Central Mich, NIU, Ohio) you can count on 3 home games to have solid attendance no matter what:
1.) Opening night
2.) Homecoming
3.) The rivalry game

Pretty much the same here...Home Opener and home coming always have great attendance. You can usually count on one other game a year to have a big crowd.

I know in Arkansas State's case, attendance is very good through October, but once deer season hits, hundreds of thousands of people head to the deer woods for a full weekend, and our attendance can drop like a rock. Last year we drew 3 home games after deer season started, and because it was 30 degrees and raining one of those days, we ended up with a crowd of like 10K, after getting 30K earlier in the season.
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(09-09-2015 06:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:10 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-08-2015 05:21 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Greetings everyone from MAC territory!

I'm a fan of Western Michigan and the MAC, but will cheer for any G5 team. I was recently in Atlanta and just noticed how HUGE college football is down there. Problem is, 7 out of 10 people are in ACC/SEC gear (as opposed to no college gear)

My question is, how does the Sun Belt survive down there? We in the MAC are unfortunate being surrounded by top programs like Notre Dame, Ohio St, and Michigan. We're also not helped that it's too cold to sit and watch mid-major football for most people once the season is half over. But it seems like it's just worse down there. Pro sports have less of a sway and you're still also surrounded by teams like Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, NC St, etc. There's also of course still the Big 10 alumni who are down there for the warm weather.

I don't know, maybe the Sun Belt does OK with it being perfect weather to watch football the whole season? I don't know.

Thoughts?

Thank you!

Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.

North Carolina is too wrapped up in college basketball which, in my opinion, is what makes having an allegiance to Appalachian great. It's a true football school and the surrounding area gets fairly decent coverage compared to the Triangles three ACC teams.

Yep, when I was at Ft. Bragg my buddy dated a girl at UNC they only time they went to a football game was based around the opponent not for UNC. There really is no reason NC should not have a NC contender in football. They have the same population or more than most southern states.

I have lived in Raleigh, Greenville, and grew up just down the mountain from Boone and honestly, as many people that go to football games and seem to care only see it as a social event. There are no genuine feelings to how UNC, State, or Duke will perform in football, only the expectations of mediocrity in all sports that aren't basketball or baseball.

People in the area from Boone to Asheville to the Greensboro area have really embraced App football and I believe it has become a mainstay. My only concern with the move to FBS is that people become complacent. Do you continue to show up to see an 8-4 team at the end of the season when you have 3 legitimate NC contenders in basketball two hours away in late fall? In North Carolina, that is a no.

For the football fan, basketball is not an issue. For the more casual sports fan, there isn't that much overlap in schedules in mid to late November to make it much of an issue IMO.
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(09-09-2015 06:53 PM)appsfan Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:20 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:10 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:06 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(09-09-2015 06:00 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Weather is great pretty much all year the only thing that kills attendance is rain. I have never been to a Georgia Southern game and said it is too cold lets get out of here. There was a rainy cold national championship game one time but not one person left. Heat probably makes folks leave a game early than anything never cold. Tailgating is a religion, to me after basically being bored of the FCS I still loved being able to grill out, hang with friends in beautiful weather. Also besides being loyal to your alma mater which appears to be more common down here, the AL's, and uga's are super expensive to be involved with. You said it college football is a passion down here. No other sport outside of pro football really competes certainly not basketball which more popular up North as well. You can add up attendance for the year for good basketball programs in the South and football would call that many folks one home game. I know a lot of pro sports fans but the passion for college ball is at another level.

North Carolina is too wrapped up in college basketball which, in my opinion, is what makes having an allegiance to Appalachian great. It's a true football school and the surrounding area gets fairly decent coverage compared to the Triangles three ACC teams.

Yep, when I was at Ft. Bragg my buddy dated a girl at UNC they only time they went to a football game was based around the opponent not for UNC. There really is no reason NC should not have a NC contender in football. They have the same population or more than most southern states.

I have lived in Raleigh, Greenville, and grew up just down the mountain from Boone and honestly, as many people that go to football games and seem to care only see it as a social event. There are no genuine feelings to how UNC, State, or Duke will perform in football, only the expectations of mediocrity in all sports that aren't basketball or baseball.

People in the area from Boone to Asheville to the Greensboro area have really embraced App football and I believe it has become a mainstay. My only concern with the move to FBS is that people become complacent. Do you continue to show up to see an 8-4 team at the end of the season when you have 3 legitimate NC contenders in basketball two hours away in late fall? In North Carolina, that is a no.

For the football fan, basketball is not an issue. For the more casual sports fan, there isn't that much overlap in schedules in mid to late November to make it much of an issue IMO.

The sad thing about that is a substantial portion of followers of college football in NC are casual fans seeking a social situation. I went up to the App-Wofford game on Halloween night by myself while I was in high school so this doesn't necessarily apply to me, but certainly to the people I had offered that extra ticket to.

But App does need to get a marquee win soon to continue to gain support from the triad region and Charlotte, at least while Wake Forest is down and UNCC is just starting up.
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