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RE: 2015-16 Men's Basketball
(10-14-2015 10:54 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  [Image: CQUloNbW8AAI49n.jpg]


3) Those shoes... How are you going to take a team pic and show those ugly mismatch shoes? Schlotman with black shoes. Cohn has shoes with straps. Burchfield looks like he has running shoes on. You always get issued the fresh new gear for picture day. It reminds me of something you see in a JV team shot.

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(10-14-2015 03:24 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  If I had more faith in our offensive playcalling, I'd be excited about getting Tot into post matchups and the roster flexibility. As it is, we'll still be able to mix and match all over the place to make sure Dixon's on the best guard and Tarpey's on the best forward.

Provided our guards are quick enough to keep up. I like the problems our size and length should cause defensively. In my dream world we could run a zone D similar to the way Syracuse does. Tall, active guards that can disrupt passing lanes and long athletic rim protectors in the back. We have tall long guards but have lacked the long shot blocking back line. Can Whitman do it? Maybe Seacat? The zone could mask some of our 1 on 1 quickness issues and encourage teams to jack up threes rather than drive. Should aid us in interior rebounding as well.
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RE: 2015-16 Men's Basketball
(10-14-2015 04:09 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 03:24 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  If I had more faith in our offensive playcalling, I'd be excited about getting Tot into post matchups and the roster flexibility. As it is, we'll still be able to mix and match all over the place to make sure Dixon's on the best guard and Tarpey's on the best forward.

Provided our guards are quick enough to keep up. I like the problems our size and length should cause defensively. In my dream world we could run a zone D similar to the way Syracuse does. Tall, active guards that can disrupt passing lanes and long athletic rim protectors in the back. We have tall long guards but have lacked the long shot blocking back line. Can Whitman do it? Maybe Seacat? The zone could mask some of our 1 on 1 quickness issues and encourage teams to jack up threes rather than drive. Should aid us in interior rebounding as well.

It's always harder to rebound in a zone. We've played mostly zone the past few years and rebounding is always a problem. That is partly due to lack of interior size and athleticism, but I don't think the zone helps.
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(10-15-2015 09:43 AM)Old tribe Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 04:09 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 03:24 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  If I had more faith in our offensive playcalling, I'd be excited about getting Tot into post matchups and the roster flexibility. As it is, we'll still be able to mix and match all over the place to make sure Dixon's on the best guard and Tarpey's on the best forward.

Provided our guards are quick enough to keep up. I like the problems our size and length should cause defensively. In my dream world we could run a zone D similar to the way Syracuse does. Tall, active guards that can disrupt passing lanes and long athletic rim protectors in the back. We have tall long guards but have lacked the long shot blocking back line. Can Whitman do it? Maybe Seacat? The zone could mask some of our 1 on 1 quickness issues and encourage teams to jack up threes rather than drive. Should aid us in interior rebounding as well.

It's always harder to rebound in a zone. We've played mostly zone the past few years and rebounding is always a problem. That is partly due to lack of interior size and athleticism, but I don't think the zone helps.

I kind of disagree on that. Packing in on a zone played correctly & aggressively should definitely aid defensive rebounding. You can fall prey to long rebounds though. If complacent, then I agree. But I think that is the case for man defense as well.
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RE: 2015-16 Men's Basketball
Why not run a packed-line defense? Seems like that would be a good scheme for our roster.
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RE: 2015-16 Men's Basketball
(10-14-2015 03:47 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 10:54 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  [Image: CQUloNbW8AAI49n.jpg]


3) Those shoes... How are you going to take a team pic and show those ugly mismatch shoes? Schlotman with black shoes. Cohn has shoes with straps. Burchfield looks like he has running shoes on. You always get issued the fresh new gear for picture day. It reminds me of something you see in a JV team shot.

[Image: CRNw4l1WgAACmsU.jpg:large]

Women Never mess up shoe selection...

The new UA unis the women have look really sharp.

Agree, does not anyone look at things like the shoes for the Men's team picture ? Guess same person who checks to see if the field microphone is working for the singing of The Star Spangled Banner.
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RE: 2015-16 Men's Basketball
(10-15-2015 09:49 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-15-2015 09:43 AM)Old tribe Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 04:09 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 03:24 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  If I had more faith in our offensive playcalling, I'd be excited about getting Tot into post matchups and the roster flexibility. As it is, we'll still be able to mix and match all over the place to make sure Dixon's on the best guard and Tarpey's on the best forward.

Provided our guards are quick enough to keep up. I like the problems our size and length should cause defensively. In my dream world we could run a zone D similar to the way Syracuse does. Tall, active guards that can disrupt passing lanes and long athletic rim protectors in the back. We have tall long guards but have lacked the long shot blocking back line. Can Whitman do it? Maybe Seacat? The zone could mask some of our 1 on 1 quickness issues and encourage teams to jack up threes rather than drive. Should aid us in interior rebounding as well.

It's always harder to rebound in a zone. We've played mostly zone the past few years and rebounding is always a problem. That is partly due to lack of interior size and athleticism, but I don't think the zone helps.

I kind of disagree on that. Packing in on a zone played correctly & aggressively should definitely aid defensive rebounding. You can fall prey to long rebounds though. If complacent, then I agree. But I think that is the case for man defense as well.

Where rebounding falters in our zones has been weak side rebounds and perimeter crashing. Our perimeter players are looking to run, but (I think) we decide where the release comes from based on where the shot is taken, rather than releasing only when you don't have a player to put a body on. It's easy to get caught up in worrying about your zone and let a player get past you to crash the offensive glass. In man defense, you're responsible for your guy, whereas the offense can overload a zone and make it difficult to find the loose man.
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(10-14-2015 10:54 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  [Image: CQUloNbW8AAI49n.jpg]

A couple observations looking at the team picture.

1) Seacat is definitely the tallest guy and doesn't appear to be a typical freshman bean pole. If Whitman and Sheldon are 6'9, Seacat is at least 6'10. I look forward to seeing where he is and how he competes.

2) Unless the angle is weird, Rowley looks a couple inches shorter than Whitman. He doesn't look much taller than Tot, Dixon, or Tarpey. I'd put him at 6'7ish.

3) Those shoes... How are you going to take a team pic and show those ugly mismatch shoes? Schlotman with black shoes. Cohn has shoes with straps. Burchfield looks like he has running shoes on. You always get issued the fresh new gear for picture day. It reminds me of something you see in a JV team shot.

I assume you pulled the picture off the old website. Can't find it on the new version.
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(10-15-2015 02:15 PM)Tribe4SF Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 10:54 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  [Image: CQUloNbW8AAI49n.jpg]

A couple observations looking at the team picture.

1) Seacat is definitely the tallest guy and doesn't appear to be a typical freshman bean pole. If Whitman and Sheldon are 6'9, Seacat is at least 6'10. I look forward to seeing where he is and how he competes.

2) Unless the angle is weird, Rowley looks a couple inches shorter than Whitman. He doesn't look much taller than Tot, Dixon, or Tarpey. I'd put him at 6'7ish.

3) Those shoes... How are you going to take a team pic and show those ugly mismatch shoes? Schlotman with black shoes. Cohn has shoes with straps. Burchfield looks like he has running shoes on. You always get issued the fresh new gear for picture day. It reminds me of something you see in a JV team shot.

I assume you pulled the picture off the old website. Can't find it on the new version.

No, pulled it from the Tribe men's Basketball Twitter feed
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(10-15-2015 01:20 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(10-15-2015 09:49 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-15-2015 09:43 AM)Old tribe Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 04:09 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(10-14-2015 03:24 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  If I had more faith in our offensive playcalling, I'd be excited about getting Tot into post matchups and the roster flexibility. As it is, we'll still be able to mix and match all over the place to make sure Dixon's on the best guard and Tarpey's on the best forward.

Provided our guards are quick enough to keep up. I like the problems our size and length should cause defensively. In my dream world we could run a zone D similar to the way Syracuse does. Tall, active guards that can disrupt passing lanes and long athletic rim protectors in the back. We have tall long guards but have lacked the long shot blocking back line. Can Whitman do it? Maybe Seacat? The zone could mask some of our 1 on 1 quickness issues and encourage teams to jack up threes rather than drive. Should aid us in interior rebounding as well.

It's always harder to rebound in a zone. We've played mostly zone the past few years and rebounding is always a problem. That is partly due to lack of interior size and athleticism, but I don't think the zone helps.

I kind of disagree on that. Packing in on a zone played correctly & aggressively should definitely aid defensive rebounding. You can fall prey to long rebounds though. If complacent, then I agree. But I think that is the case for man defense as well.

Where rebounding falters in our zones has been weak side rebounds and perimeter crashing. Our perimeter players are looking to run, but (I think) we decide where the release comes from based on where the shot is taken, rather than releasing only when you don't have a player to put a body on. It's easy to get caught up in worrying about your zone and let a player get past you to crash the offensive glass. In man defense, you're responsible for your guy, whereas the offense can overload a zone and make it difficult to find the loose man.

Exactly. The problem with rebounding in a zone isn't being far away from the basket. It's not having a specific man to block out every possession. In man you are responsible for blocking out the man you are guarding.
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Interesting thoughts about a 2-3 zone, not one that Shaver has typically used. We had great success last year at times with Terry at the top of a 1-3-1 because he was so active in passing lanes. That was the only reason we got back into the Tulsa game because their guards didn't know how to attack it. But rebounding was always a concern out of that zone with a guard running the baseline.

Tribe Fan - unnecessary cheap shot about the microphone. I've personally witnessed Spencer Milne and his staff check the mic multiple times pre-game and then for whatever reasons have it not work for the national anthem. Hopefully an upgraded sound system once the renovation is complete will solve this. It's an equipment issue, not any human error.
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I think the key for us running a zone or not running a zone will be the play of the bigs. If our bigs show they can protect the rim and shot block, I think it can be effective. It allows the long guards to gamble more and shoot the lanes. Sight unseen, Seacat fits the long athletic role. Whitman has the tools. I think Sheldon is better suited for man to man where he can use his physicality to defend.
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I asked you experts one simple question on the last page and you completely ignored me. Unacceptable.
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(10-16-2015 08:51 AM)Tribal Wrote:  I asked you experts one simple question on the last page and you completely ignored me. Unacceptable.

From one "expert" to another, your guess is as good as mine. What is this packed line defense you speak of? I haven't heard of that term.
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(10-16-2015 09:11 AM)Tribal Wrote:  http://www.coachesclipboard.net/Basketba...fense.html

Cool. That wasn't around, at least in terminology, when I played. It sounds like a concept that could benefit the Tribe.
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This is a great discussion.

It sounds like the key point is that we don't anticipate having the defensive quickness to stop dribble-drive penetration. I don't think we were successful against that at all last year when we played straight up man-to-man; that was our downfall in the championship game against Northeastern.

I actually thought defense would be our strength last year. One would think that with two shutdown defenders (Dixon and Tarpey) an aggressive man defense would work but we never had the kind of success with it that I anticipated. Maybe the game has changed more than old farts like me understand. (We played a very, very good man-to-man in the 70s with guards like Enoch and Arbogast - fast afoot they were not!).

So I guess we are back to mixing defenses with a sagging man or pack-the-line defense as our mainstay mixed in with our standard zone and the 1-3-1 to take advantage of Tarpey out front and Dixon (I assume) as the chaser below. I would also think Tot could play up top or down below very effectively in that defense.
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That photo of the men's team looks like some sort of a joke. A bad one! Three black guys in the entire organization; are you kidding me? Those clowns with those' not even decent inter mural league shoes' on, in the front row, screams a huge disconnect from the uniform company we are connected to.
These thing needs to get re shot. Can they photo shoot those tooth picks in the front row to make them look more like basketball players. This is pathetic.
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The last line sums up my thoughts after reading that.
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With all these different defenses it would be necessary for us to vary our looks on the court. But I don't think I've ever seen Tony go with two bigs on the court at the same time. Do any of you see us running something other than the 4 guard motion?
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