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RE: Life in the G5
JMU apparently saw UMass as a path into the MAC, but it appears now just as likely if not more likely that UMass returns to FCS for football. The way the costs are going, it really seems as though it will be P5 and everyone else sometime within the next 5 years. It seems to make sense that the next level below P5 would be involved in something very similar to what we currently experience in FCS.
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RE: Life in the G5
I mentioned in another place, the cost to keep pace with ND State is a far cry from keeping up with Alabama, Michigan and USC. And it's going to get worse.

I won't be surprised if, in order to try and keep up, eventually all of G5 will be required to move their games to weekdays just to pull in some revenue.

Not seeing any UAB's at the FCS level.

Georgia State is playing at Oregon this weekend. I wonder if they will rent a big screen in the Georgia Dome for all their fans to watch?
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(09-18-2015 02:04 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  I mentioned in another place, the cost to keep pace with ND State is a far cry from keeping up with Alabama, Michigan and USC. And it's going to get worse.

I won't be surprised if, in order to try and keep up, eventually all of G5 will be required to move their games to weekdays just to pull in some revenue.

Not seeing any UAB's at the FCS level.

Georgia State is playing at Oregon this weekend. I wonder if they will rent a big screen in the Georgia Dome for all their fans to watch?

That screen was probable sort of blurry with the Ducks flying all over. Money talks and bullsh t walks. No pun intended SB.
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RE: Life in the G5
A note on the UMass experiment, Year 4.

Their home opener at Gillette Stadium against Temple brought in 10,142 fans. Some there mentioned that figure was inflated - and virtually zero students.

It's sad - such a solid program when back in the CAA and attendance better as well.
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RE: Life in the G5
(09-21-2015 11:25 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  A note on the UMass experiment, Year 4.

Their home opener at Gillette Stadium against Temple brought in 10,142 fans. Some there mentioned that figure was inflated - and virtually zero students.

It's sad - such a solid program when back in the CAA and attendance better as well.

UMass screwed up switching to FBS more than any other school I can think of. Don't play most of your games hours away from campus and expect to get decent crowds especially in New England. It's just not going to happen.
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ODU was drubbed 38-14 by NC state last week. This week vs App State, losing 35-0 at the half. Taylor Heinicke, now 3rd stringer for Vikings, was their entire team.
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UMass is sticking with Notre Dame in the 1st half.

Why ND would schedule them is another question - though a UMass win would be just the turn of fortune this program needs.
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ODU loses 49-0 to App State

Rice loses 70-17 to Baylor

CUSA rolling...
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ODU 0-63 in the past 3 halves.
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Big Sky member Portland State destroys North Texas of CUSA (ODU's league) 66-7.

Result shatters the previous point difference of an FCS team vs FBS.

North Texas coach fired or resigns prior to post game press conference.
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Ranking the bowl games...a list of 10 games to care about and 30 to say meh.
For those who love crapping on ODU, Georgia State gets to a bowl before them.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...bowls-1-40
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That is the worst bowl game match up I've ever seen. If San Jose State wins both teams can finish the season with losing records.
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A lot of activity to update on this subject, all of it pretty much involving money (actually, the lack of it) and the strain that is starting to become more intense with this field.

There is a separate thread on Idaho's decision to move over to the Big Sky and back home to FCS. That was a no brainer. Someone had run some numbers and shown their attendance never increased from their previous days in the Big Sky, they were playing in the same stadium and had no real rivals to work with.

More recently, Eastern Michigan and Akron from the MAC have raised red flags. The issue again is money - the amount they are spending/losing now looking almost obscene and indefensible for a University to be allocating on an athletic position. Doubtful any changes here as the MAC in total is not much different and they are logical members geographically. The decisions here would likely come down to whether they maintain their football programs at all. Eastern Michigan averages home attendance at roughly half the level of W&M.

ODU is encountering issues with the much discussed new stadium. They among all schools that moved up had all the right signals in my view, large fan base, large metro market with little competition - yet you can read the strain involved from comments through their AD. It seems to me that the quick pro/con money analysis they apparently conducted on moving CAA to CUSA was extremely inflated on the revenue side and grossly understated on the expenses. They are in a pool where the expenses are being driven by the really big programs - it's not going to slow down. I can't imagine ODU would turn back - the strain on the University though along with I would predict more years of losing on the field will be their reward for being able to play Tech and NC State occasionally. Not sure how long their fan base will support that. They have always impressed me as bandwagon fans who love supporting a winner, which they have had most of their life.

Now the latest - issues which in many ways mirror ODU - is the sudden strain at Coastal Carolina - who made a similar, snap decision to "move up" to the Sun Belt. Their issue is also a stadium (currently seats 9,000, about 75% of Zable's capacity). As of Thursday, the State of SC denied the funds requested for the expansion needed for a second time. Suddenly, CCU needs to find some private donors - and quickly - if they want to run down this course.

The arguments from CCU seem shallow and are part of the shell game proponents play on these moves. They included that there will be a new groundswell of alumni support when they made the announcement to FBS. This did not happen - now CCU is saying it will happen once they announce the stadium construction as confirmed (really?). Second, they are already counting money for body bag games lost as a "cost" of now having to reconsider. Meanwhile, the cost of entry keeps accelerating.

On one brighter side, UMass will now be bringing the bulk of their games back to Amherst as the Foxboro experiment was an utter failure. The stadium capacity though is the same as when they were in the CAA (17,000) and the opponents are lower G5 and FCS teams, not quite the upgrade expected for all the money spent and all the inconvenience this program put on their fan base. It would interesting to see the full income statement from the UMass move, how much this folly cost the tax payers in MA - all so a blustery, ego driven minority can at least pretend they are swimming with the big boys.

It's not a joy to watch all this as in the end, it hurts college football. Very similar to the housing bubble. You could see it coming. The shame is that unless the NCAA steps in to reorganize, a number of schools may just drop football altogether due to overextending,
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I think the housing bubble analogy is particularly apt. I can't understand why many programs simply ignore the signs and double down on "big time" football instead of preparing themselves for the burst.

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This is just another reason to stay in the FCS. Buying something you can't afford is the American way it seems. I think ODU will be fine but GA State's AD may have bankrupt his/her department. They barely scraped by paying the note on their 930 sq ft rambler and they just found out their $1mil home isn't worth half that. Unlike GS and ODU, they don't have the fan support to offset that depreciation.
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If your school is not in the P5 today, your future in the FCS is extremely perilous. I have always thought the cutoff for FCS would be at about 65-68 schools; some are suggesting 80.

I do not understand why some fans of our CAA brethren seem to think they can make a go of it in the FCS. It will be extremely difficult for ODU (I don't think they will make it) and they are much better positioned than some of the other schools who are said to be considering a jump.

I am perfectly happy with a FCS program that consistently wins and can, in very special years, compete for a National Championship.
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(05-08-2016 04:04 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  If your school is not in the P5 today, your future in the FCS is extremely perilous. I have always thought the cutoff for FCS would be at about 65-68 schools; some are suggesting 80.

I do not understand why some fans of our CAA brethren seem to think they can make a go of it in the FCS. It will be extremely difficult for ODU (I don't think they will make it) and they are much better positioned than some of the other schools who are said to be considering a jump.

I am perfectly happy with a FCS program that consistently wins and can, in very special years, compete for a National Championship.
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(05-08-2016 04:04 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  If your school is not in the P5 today, your future in the FCS is extremely perilous. I have always thought the cutoff for FCS would be at about 65-68 schools; some are suggesting 80.

I do not understand why some fans of our CAA brethren seem to think they can make a go of it in the FCS. It will be extremely difficult for ODU (I don't think they will make it) and they are much better positioned than some of the other schools who are said to be considering a jump.

I am perfectly happy with a FCS program that consistently wins and can, in very special years, compete for a National Championship.

I think for the first two paragraphs, you meant FBS.
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(05-08-2016 06:32 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  
(05-08-2016 04:04 PM)tribeinexile Wrote:  If your school is not in the P5 today, your future in the FCS is extremely perilous. I have always thought the cutoff for FCS would be at about 65-68 schools; some are suggesting 80.

I do not understand why some fans of our CAA brethren seem to think they can make a go of it in the FCS. It will be extremely difficult for ODU (I don't think they will make it) and they are much better positioned than some of the other schools who are said to be considering a jump.

I am perfectly happy with a FCS program that consistently wins and can, in very special years, compete for a National Championship.

I think for the first two paragraphs, you meant FBS.
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