(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:10 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Troy is a typical college town. It has a small airport that they're working on expanding for charter flights. Those upgrades are business and school related. Montgomery Regional would be the closest airport that is utilized. The drive over is about 45 mins to an hour. I'm not a big markets guy, I just like football for what it is. Regardless of the actual size of the city of Troy, we generally average around 20,000.

Also, in reference to moving up or "improving our lot in life," I don't think that's very likely. Not many schools from the Belt will be that fortunate. I also don't think that is a true measure of the success of the program or the school. Troy has been successful at this level, in this league. I have no doubt that it will again. The fact that you see these attributes as a negative let's me know that you don't truly grasp the roots of this conference and how it's positioned itself to be successful in spite of not having large media markets, but very respectable teams that have taken a blue-collar approach to getting it done.

Enjoy those markets...I'm sure they'll win games for you.

Thanks for your info on Troy. Very helpful.

Again...I am not saying Troy is not worthy.
I am saying that having a conference with too many small schools in small cities wouldn't help as much as finding bigger schools in bigger markets....if the schools are similar in all other ways. And, that is what the conference appeared to be doing with their most recent acquisitions GSU, Texas State, G. Southern, App St.(all good sized schools with plenty going on...even if two might be a bit out of the way). Everyone of these schools have brought quite a bit of flare to the conference as a whole. The next school should be able to do the same.

Troy is great. But, having four or five Troy's wouldn't be helpful to the conference. And currently....the SBC is housing two fb only schools, two Oly only schools, plus a small Troy and a small ULM. That is 6 schools with questionable variables of one degree or another. Ranging from size of school, finances and market....to, not sponsoring fb....to, being really far from the group.
Does the conference really need to add to that....either CCU or EKU? Both are out of the footprint and neither are really much better than many other schools within the footprint.

Again, you have an opinion based on market sizes so you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm certainly glad that guys that are as narrow-minded as you don't run the SBC...it would be too much like coosa.

I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

The SBC has always been a small town schools league. I think many of the schools prefer it that way.; Television contract is not as a big deal as some think it is. We're not going to get much regardless what we do.

Television is not about large markets anymore. It's about who is willing to watch. Georgia Southern provides the league a pretty heavy value if you think about it because their fans are crazy enough that they will do anything possible to make sure they can watch their school on television. Not all fans would do that.

(08-29-2015 09:36 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 06:44 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 04:21 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Again, you have an opinion based on market sizes so you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm certainly glad that guys that are as narrow-minded as you don't run the SBC...it would be too much like coosa.

I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

You are used to A5 goings on that you don't know how things work around the SBC. Ws and Ls are what's paramount. You carrying some fictitious market is a pipe dream. Success against A5 schools is what's going to get you TV money, not pretending your viewership rules the roost.

We're done here, champ.

Your whole rant is because you thought I slighted Troy. Take brake from your broom for a while.

According to The Business of College Sports web site and the 2013-14 Revenues and Expenses....out of 125 FBS schools:

The SBC occupies 7 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Revenue.
The SBC occupies 6 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Expenses.

I don't know how the SBC will be able to keep up with everyone else year after year making and spending less.

What does that even mean? Maybe it's time to sit the corn down...you're slurring your words...

You are so blind that you don't recognize when the conference is in trouble.
The SBC is the lowest ranking conference in TOTAL REVENUE and TOTAL EXPENSES.

How do you expect this conference to compete when they can't make any money?

(08-29-2015 06:44 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 04:21 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:10 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  Thanks for your info on Troy. Very helpful.

Again...I am not saying Troy is not worthy.
I am saying that having a conference with too many small schools in small cities wouldn't help as much as finding bigger schools in bigger markets....if the schools are similar in all other ways. And, that is what the conference appeared to be doing with their most recent acquisitions GSU, Texas State, G. Southern, App St.(all good sized schools with plenty going on...even if two might be a bit out of the way). Everyone of these schools have brought quite a bit of flare to the conference as a whole. The next school should be able to do the same.

Troy is great. But, having four or five Troy's wouldn't be helpful to the conference. And currently....the SBC is housing two fb only schools, two Oly only schools, plus a small Troy and a small ULM. That is 6 schools with questionable variables of one degree or another. Ranging from size of school, finances and market....to, not sponsoring fb....to, being really far from the group.
Does the conference really need to add to that....either CCU or EKU? Both are out of the footprint and neither are really much better than many other schools within the footprint.

Again, you have an opinion based on market sizes so you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm certainly glad that guys that are as narrow-minded as you don't run the SBC...it would be too much like coosa.

I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

You are used to A5 goings on that you don't know how things work around the SBC. Ws and Ls are what's paramount. You carrying some fictitious market is a pipe dream. Success against A5 schools is what's going to get you TV money, not pretending your viewership rules the roost.

We're done here, champ.

Your whole rant is because you thought I slighted Troy. Take brake from your broom for a while.

According to The Business of College Sports web site and the 2013-14 Revenues and Expenses....out of 125 FBS schools:

The SBC occupies 7 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Revenue.
The SBC occupies 6 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Expenses.

I don't know how the SBC will be able to keep up with everyone else year after year making and spending less.

Things have changed a lot since the 2013 footbal season. ECU, Tulane & Tulsa were still members of CUSA and App & Ga Southern were not in the Sunbelt. Let's wait to see how the numbers stack up with the membership as it is now.

(08-30-2015 07:59 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Things have changed a lot since the 2013 footbal season. ECU, Tulane & Tulsa were still members of CUSA and App & Ga Southern were not in the Sunbelt. Let's wait to see how the numbers stack up with the membership as it is now.

App St and G. Southern were included in those numbers as FBS schools.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/data/...-finances/

(08-30-2015 07:49 AM)MellowCorn Wrote:  You are so blind that you don't recognize when the conference is in trouble.
The SBC is the lowest ranking conference in TOTAL REVENUE and TOTAL EXPENSES.

How do you expect this conference to compete when they can't make any money?

Andrew Carnegie made $1.20 a week as a bobbin boy. He should have just packed it in and offed himself.

A-State has been making more money than it ever has. Our average attendance is higher than it ever has been. We are selling more season tickets than we ever have. We are improving facilities faster than we ever have. Our donations are higher than they ever have been. Our fans had to listen to every away game but are now able to watch almost every game if they have a computing device

In the early 2000's the conference was not competitive with anyone. Now we are competitive with, at a minimum, the MAC and CUSA despite a variety of lineup changes.

I'm not buying what you are selling.

(08-30-2015 07:49 AM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 09:36 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 06:44 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 04:21 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

You are used to A5 goings on that you don't know how things work around the SBC. Ws and Ls are what's paramount. You carrying some fictitious market is a pipe dream. Success against A5 schools is what's going to get you TV money, not pretending your viewership rules the roost.

We're done here, champ.

Your whole rant is because you thought I slighted Troy. Take brake from your broom for a while.

According to The Business of College Sports web site and the 2013-14 Revenues and Expenses....out of 125 FBS schools:

The SBC occupies 7 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Revenue.
The SBC occupies 6 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Expenses.

I don't know how the SBC will be able to keep up with everyone else year after year making and spending less.

What does that even mean? Maybe it's time to sit the corn down...you're slurring your words...

You are so blind that you don't recognize when the conference is in trouble.
The SBC is the lowest ranking conference in TOTAL REVENUE and TOTAL EXPENSES.

How do you expect this conference to compete when they can't make any money?

Look chickenlittle...the sky isn't falling, the membership in this conference are solid in foorball, as I recall, before ULM started their new facility, they beat bama, the hawgs, and wake. With them having one of, if not the, lowest budgets in the conference, what do your numbers say about that? Baseball? Bball? Softball? WBB? Bowling? Surely, I need not go on? Stop being a defeatist before the season even starts...Enjoy your team...enjoy your conference-mates...you won't be as disappointed as you think.

You're not one of the secession-types we have here are you?

Take the AAC contract. If your athletic budget is $30 million the TV deal (assuming 100% pass through) is 6% of the operating budget. AState will receive almost as much from Nebraska as an AAC school receives in TV and 60% more than CUSA schools receive and 50% more than MAC. AState will bring in more in premium seating income than a CUSA or MAC receives in TV.

TV is only going to break you if you budget for receiving a lot from TV and then lose that money.

(08-30-2015 07:49 AM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 09:36 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 06:44 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 04:21 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

You are used to A5 goings on that you don't know how things work around the SBC. Ws and Ls are what's paramount. You carrying some fictitious market is a pipe dream. Success against A5 schools is what's going to get you TV money, not pretending your viewership rules the roost.

We're done here, champ.

Your whole rant is because you thought I slighted Troy. Take brake from your broom for a while.

According to The Business of College Sports web site and the 2013-14 Revenues and Expenses....out of 125 FBS schools:

The SBC occupies 7 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Revenue.
The SBC occupies 6 out of 8 of the lowest spots in Total Expenses.

I don't know how the SBC will be able to keep up with everyone else year after year making and spending less.

What does that even mean? Maybe it's time to sit the corn down...you're slurring your words...

You are so blind that you don't recognize when the conference is in trouble.
The SBC is the lowest ranking conference in TOTAL REVENUE and TOTAL EXPENSES.

How do you expect this conference to compete when they can't make any money?

Somebody should tell these universities what cornhole said that pouring 10 of millions into these athletic programs is a waste of time. There all idiots! Let's just pack it in and be communist.

(08-30-2015 08:12 AM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-30-2015 07:59 AM)Th'AppManDG Wrote:  Things have changed a lot since the 2013 footbal season. ECU, Tulane & Tulsa were still members of CUSA and App & Ga Southern were not in the Sunbelt. Let's wait to see how the numbers stack up with the membership as it is now.

App St and G. Southern were included in those numbers as FBS schools.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/data/...-finances/

Which in an example of why budget doesn't tell the whole story. There are plenty of schools with bigger budgets that bring less to the table than GS and App. GS hads always had less money than our peers and has kicked arse in football.

I honestly think ULM gets a reasonably good bang for their buck too.

Todd Berry will once again be calling plays for the Warhawks...this will be a good year for the Sun Belt.

(08-29-2015 03:41 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:10 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:47 PM)trojanbrutha Wrote:  Troy is a typical college town. It has a small airport that they're working on expanding for charter flights. Those upgrades are business and school related. Montgomery Regional would be the closest airport that is utilized. The drive over is about 45 mins to an hour. I'm not a big markets guy, I just like football for what it is. Regardless of the actual size of the city of Troy, we generally average around 20,000.

Also, in reference to moving up or "improving our lot in life," I don't think that's very likely. Not many schools from the Belt will be that fortunate. I also don't think that is a true measure of the success of the program or the school. Troy has been successful at this level, in this league. I have no doubt that it will again. The fact that you see these attributes as a negative let's me know that you don't truly grasp the roots of this conference and how it's positioned itself to be successful in spite of not having large media markets, but very respectable teams that have taken a blue-collar approach to getting it done.

Enjoy those markets...I'm sure they'll win games for you.

Thanks for your info on Troy. Very helpful.

Again...I am not saying Troy is not worthy.
I am saying that having a conference with too many small schools in small cities wouldn't help as much as finding bigger schools in bigger markets....if the schools are similar in all other ways. And, that is what the conference appeared to be doing with their most recent acquisitions GSU, Texas State, G. Southern, App St.(all good sized schools with plenty going on...even if two might be a bit out of the way). Everyone of these schools have brought quite a bit of flare to the conference as a whole. The next school should be able to do the same.

Troy is great. But, having four or five Troy's wouldn't be helpful to the conference. And currently....the SBC is housing two fb only schools, two Oly only schools, plus a small Troy and a small ULM. That is 6 schools with questionable variables of one degree or another. Ranging from size of school, finances and market....to, not sponsoring fb....to, being really far from the group.
Does the conference really need to add to that....either CCU or EKU? Both are out of the footprint and neither are really much better than many other schools within the footprint.

Again, you have an opinion based on market sizes so you can't see the forest for the trees. I'm certainly glad that guys that are as narrow-minded as you don't run the SBC...it would be too much like coosa.

I mentioned plenty of other factors besides market size including recruiting. Why are you only focusing on that one issue?

How is the SBC going to make any TV money with schools that have no market presence? With too many small town schools...the conference won't be relevant. Plus, Kentucky and SC aren't known to be recruiting hot beds.

One of the highest rated G5 games on ESPN's network is Arkansas State (Jonesboro, pop. 71,551) versus the Cajuns (Lafayette, pop. 124,726). Market size is literally the worst metric to gauge support on (says the guy whose team is in the largest market in the SBC).