(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 03:38 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 01:41 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  I'm not particularly hung up on the terminology involved. More important is that the concept (if it is ultimately to use a US citizen child to gain legal status in the country) is BS. It would be a long game plan at best. It would take about a quarter of a century or more to work. First they would have to wait until the child reached the age of 21. Then the child would have to apply for the parents to be granted a visa or green card. The parents would meanwhile have to return to their home country. In the course of the application for reunification of family there would be an investigation that would reveal that the parents lived in the US illegally. There is a three year penalty if they lived here between half and a complete year. But of course it is much more likely that they lived here for over a year. So that makes it a ten year wait to apply for the visa or green card. That pushes it to a minimum of 31 years.

Anchor babies makes for great political theater, but it is a red herring.

Gaining citizenship for the parents is not the main anchor baby issue. The issue is the amount of benefits a pregnant alien woman and that child can receive for the family NOW and in the future. The issue is also one that involves fraud. Coming here with the intent to have a child and receive benefits in which they had zero contribution is fraudulent behavior...and it needs to be stopped.

Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Higher priced goods here are still cheaper then the same back home when you have a job here.

Have you not gone beyond your own yard lately? They have extended family here already to help.

Trump has now dragged Walker into the anchor baby fiasco. Keep up the good work Trump

(08-23-2015 11:59 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  Trump has now dragged Walker into the anchor baby fiasco. Keep up the good work Trump

told you that was part of the master plan....

even after admitting I was wrong that the rnc and him were in cahoots

ol' boy knows what you guys are doing.....he's stepped it up a notch....

pure politics this is....

take off the blindfold son......

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 03:38 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Gaining citizenship for the parents is not the main anchor baby issue. The issue is the amount of benefits a pregnant alien woman and that child can receive for the family NOW and in the future. The issue is also one that involves fraud. Coming here with the intent to have a child and receive benefits in which they had zero contribution is fraudulent behavior...and it needs to be stopped.

Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

As was said before, they come here for work. The women work too, you know. Janitorial and nanny services in the southwest are almost all Hispanic and mostly illegal.

Babies happen. They aren't coming here to have babies. They are coming here to get work.

We've made it more difficult to get back and forth (its still porous, just not as much so), so more families are coming. That's the incentive we have created, not welfare.

Here's a question that I don't understand. My ex-wife is/was a Mexican national (she's a citizen now). And as such my two sons have dual citizenship by virtue of the Mexican government enacting a law that states so. So what is the positive for them (Mexico) to do that? It's not like my kids would want to live there anyway as one can do that without citizenship in Mexico by virtue of all the ex-pats doing that already.

(08-23-2015 01:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

As was said before, they come here for work. The women work too, you know. Janitorial and nanny services in the southwest are almost all Hispanic and mostly illegal.

Babies happen. They aren't coming here to have babies. They are coming here to get work.

We've made it more difficult to get back and forth (its still porous, just not as much so), so more families are coming. That's the incentive we have created, not welfare.

What's your solution then?

A guest worker program.

(08-23-2015 03:36 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  A guest worker program.

something like this maybe....I think somebody came with that already....

rules be damned

(08-23-2015 09:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 03:38 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Gaining citizenship for the parents is not the main anchor baby issue. The issue is the amount of benefits a pregnant alien woman and that child can receive for the family NOW and in the future. The issue is also one that involves fraud. Coming here with the intent to have a child and receive benefits in which they had zero contribution is fraudulent behavior...and it needs to be stopped.

Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

it doesn't matter why it's bogus at this point....and the 'why' is my fave.....I believe it's too late

all that matters are the numbers they have and the impact....this is a cultural/behavioral issue

if one doesn't think that those from the south are coming in droves to drive up the status of their voting base, they are kidding themselves....

of course it's jobs and more money....

their thinking is if we can get enough here, and over time we grow in numbers from within, we become viable in policy....

it's just another dumbing down of a system....

while they may be uneducated, they ain't dumba.....

poosie policy is what we had and have right now.....it doesn't matter what you like or think....the numbers are there....just look at projections into 2050....they're pumping them out....

if you think that is good....go for it.....I do not....

numbers matter...

You are overthinking this thing.

(08-23-2015 04:05 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:28 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

it doesn't matter why it's bogus at this point....and the 'why' is my fave.....I believe it's too late

all that matters are the numbers they have and the impact....this is a cultural/behavioral issue

if one doesn't think that those from the south are coming in droves to drive up the status of their voting base, they are kidding themselves....

of course it's jobs and more money....

their thinking is if we can get enough here, and over time we grow in numbers from within, we become viable in policy....

it's just another dumbing down of a system....

while they may be uneducated, they ain't dumba.....

poosie policy is what we had and have right now.....it doesn't matter what you like or think....the numbers are there....just look at projections into 2050....they're pumping them out....

if you think that is good....go for it.....I do not....

numbers matter...

You are overthinking this thing.

it's a curse...

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 03:38 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Gaining citizenship for the parents is not the main anchor baby issue. The issue is the amount of benefits a pregnant alien woman and that child can receive for the family NOW and in the future. The issue is also one that involves fraud. Coming here with the intent to have a child and receive benefits in which they had zero contribution is fraudulent behavior...and it needs to be stopped.

Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

I have no doubt about what your wife observes at the health department. It is just that these aren't women coming here to have babies. These are women that come here because their family moved here, often illegally searching for a better way of life. They are of child bearing age and not surprisingly the have babies while they are here. Thus the "anchor baby" issue is a red herring.

Not true Dawg. I personally know of Mexicans that do their planning on when and where they will go to have their babies. I speak from experience as I've seen it many times. They also could give a c**p about paying. They know the system will absorb the cost. No son pendejos estos Mexicanos. Find an illegal to translate.

(08-23-2015 04:12 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

I have no doubt about what your wife observes at the health department. It is just that these aren't women coming here to have babies. These are women that come here because their family moved here, often illegally searching for a better way of life. They are of child bearing age and not surprisingly the have babies while they are here. Thus the "anchor baby" issue is a red herring.

quit using red herring....it's annoying...

how about looking at the cause/effect of continuing on the current path of allowing illegals

it's no secret that mexican catholics are very embedded in culture....

step back and look into the macro window....work out the t/f arguments....

this has to stop.....STAT.....

I don't know old you are, but I have a 16 yr old that won't want to move to costa with me when she is 31.....or maybe she'll just say fk it too (fkitoo....my new vanity word)

I have zero confidence in our current system of rule.....I only see survival mode right now....

(08-23-2015 04:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Not true Dawg. I personally know of Mexicans that do their planning on when and where they will go to have their babies. I speak from experience as I've seen it many times. They also could give a c**p about paying. They know the system will absorb the cost. No son pendejos estos Mexicanos. Find an illegal to translate.

that people are trying to differentiate between the hungry or the ones that will be equally hungry (the unborn)....sigh

it's a better op than mexico....and it's not even close....

this yr 4 mil...

next 20 mil

next 200 mil

it's doesn't matter when.....it's just what will happen.....

our support mechanism is total dogshite already....

I hate having to type it this way, but it's all people seem to understand now....

edit: from day one, I've always said that china's population control laws are valid.....if you reversed their thinking and our thinking today, it would be an interesting concept to ponder....this is where being the atheist becomes scary to the sun worshipers.....

(08-23-2015 04:12 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 06:15 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  Poor people from Mexico and Central America cross the border illegally primarily to find work. The benefits having a baby would provide aren't that significant, some WIC funds for food and nutrition vouchers and Medicaid. The parents don't really get anything other than WIC while she is pregnant. Sure women come to the country illegally and some of them are pregnant when they come or get pregnant while they are here, but the idea that large numbers come here specifically for the purpose of giving birth is bogus.

On the other hand there are wealthy people from various parts of the world that come here on 90 day tourist visas for the specific purpose of giving birth in the USA. There are even resorts that cater to these folks.

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

I have no doubt about what your wife observes at the health department. It is just that these aren't women coming here to have babies. These are women that come here because their family moved here, often illegally searching for a better way of life. They are of child bearing age and not surprisingly the have babies while they are here. Thus the "anchor baby" issue is a red herring.

You are avoiding to admit the obvious. They did not used to come here in the first place. Their husbands used to go back home to them and the family after the work was done. Why are the women coming here now? You understand that most of these women do not work? In fact... their husbands don't allow it. The better life you speak of are the handouts they can get here. Remove them. You will see them go back home.

(08-23-2015 04:16 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  Not true Dawg. I personally know of Mexicans that do their planning on when and where they will go to have their babies. I speak from experience as I've seen it many times. They also could give a c**p about paying. They know the system will absorb the cost. No son pendejos estos Mexicanos. Find an illegal to translate.

Not all the expense is absorbed by the tax payers. They do pay a portion on a sliding scale at the Health Departments. It is of course a fraction of the cost of usual treatment. I bring this up just to be transparent in regard to this issue.

I fully support the US seeing that any infant born on US soil gets medical treatment and is protected until it is returned back to the homeland of its parents. There has to be at some point a standard of citizenship that is fair to those that have to PAY THE BILLS. It is unfair for tax paying citizens to have to foot the bill for the actions of those that illegally cross the border. I don't know how to say it any other way.

Im astonished that anyone would support birthright citizenship and illegal immigration today given the challenges facing America. Ending birthright citizenship and stopping the flow of illegals should be an issue that should have overwhelming support. The fact that it does not?...Tells me clearly that this issue is one of politics...not common sense.

(08-23-2015 06:06 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 04:12 PM)dawgitall Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:33 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:05 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

It really is bogus. Its easier for them to be pregnant in Mexico or Guatemala where things are cheaper and they have extended family to help care for the child and mother.

Then why does my wife report that almost 70% of the prenatal care give at the Health Department she runs involve women from our South that speak no English. She has to provide BTW a translator for them and can not by law even inquire as to citizenship. We have set up a system that is very inviting to these people in regard to motherhood. She does report however that they at least courteous, appreciative and never miss appointments. She can not say that of some of our indigenous populace.

And BTW....She reports that many of these women are repeat customers with several children born on US soil. The reason the general populace does not notice this stuff is that most people do not ever visit a local health department or even know what goes on there. Our Health Department system is the very poor and illegals health care facility.

Decades ago we never saw women from our South. The men came across the border and worked until they saved enough money to go back and provide for their families. That is just simply not the case now. It is not a coincidence. We have incentivized this trend of bringing the entire family to now come and stay with well intentioned handouts.

If you feed a stray cat it will stay around your home. If not?...It will go find food elsewhere.

I have no doubt about what your wife observes at the health department. It is just that these aren't women coming here to have babies. These are women that come here because their family moved here, often illegally searching for a better way of life. They are of child bearing age and not surprisingly the have babies while they are here. Thus the "anchor baby" issue is a red herring.

You are avoiding to admit the obvious. They did not used to come here in the first place. Their husbands used to go back home to them and the family after the work was done. Why are the women coming here now? You understand that most of these women do not work? In fact... their husbands don't allow it. The better life you speak of are the handouts they can get here. Remove them. You will see them go back home.

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so, and to provide levity from the melting pot that defends the stones thrown at the confederate south.....

maybe there is some truth to that descent thingy....I'm that german fkr....so follow with thee

es ist obvio vor de essi herkommen....I calls dat, the missippy-pot-twang....I see it every single day.....and I'm of german descent...what is the goddammm difference....I can't understand it when it's spoken....

yeah buggy.....'sounds' like a great method to base a future economy on......

language.....pay the fk atttetion.......that is the best choice....

manipulating it is not....

now, you should understand something about me....and it has nothing to do with my narcissism.....it's everyone else that become the
'to contro'l magnet....

I would venture there are only two that have a clue what I am doing when I post....

(08-23-2015 06:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I fully support the US seeing that any infant born on US soil gets medical treatment and is protected until it is returned back to the homeland of its parents. There has to be at some point a standard of citizenship that is fair to those that have to PAY THE BILLS. It is unfair for tax paying citizens to have to foot the bill for the actions of those that illegally cross the border. I don't know how to say it any other way.

Im astonished that anyone would support birthright citizenship and illegal immigration today given the challenges facing America. Ending birthright citizenship and stopping the flow of illegals should be an issue that should have overwhelming support. The fact that it does not?...Tells me clearly that this issue is one of politics...not common sense.

Why should changing 239 years of birthright citizenship have overwhelming support? There has to be some compelling reason, not a fantasy about "anchor babies." Nobody on here is giving any numbers because its a made up issue. Hardly anyone has a baby here to "anchor" themselves.