(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I'm all for NMSU, so I'm not really sure why you'd throw me in there. Either way, even if a couple of our posters don't like the travel, that has nothing to do with what our administration cares about.

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I reject the entire premise of the post. Nobody has said NMSU would be bad for the Sun Belt, App fans just think Coastal would be better. It's a perfectly reasonable opinion. Everything doesn't have to be good vs bad, in this case it's good vs better, from our perspective.

(08-21-2015 07:04 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  I'm all for NMSU, so I'm not really sure why you'd throw me in there. Either way, even if a couple of our posters don't like the travel, that has nothing to do with what our administration cares about.

Most App fans are, he seems to have missed that.

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

Never said App fans were not entitled to their opinion . . .. And perhaps there is a silent majority that's in favor of NMSU . . . . Most of the App opinions that I've read here, center on objection due to distance . . . . Which I personally think is a BS objection to a former Belt member and established FBS program . . . .
I'm aware of Apps desire for a travel partner, and I don't have a problem with that either . . . . In my opinion, there's no reason an add can't be made in both the east and west.. . . I don't even have a problem with EKU, Coastal, and NMSU being added together . .. . I just don't know if Conference Leadership has the vision to be that proactive . . . . Most of what I've seen of SBC decisions seems to be reactionary. If I offended in my generalization of app fans position on NMSU . . . . Well it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. It's just one guy's opinion . . . Posted on a sports message board . . . It's not like world peace hangs in the balance . . .or. . . . . Does it?

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

There were no DII schools under consideration.

(08-21-2015 08:47 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

Never said App fans were not entitled to their opinion . . .. And perhaps there is a silent majority that's in favor of NMSU . . . . Most of the App opinions that I've read here, center on objection due to distance . . . . Which I personally think is a BS objection to a former Belt member and established FBS program . . . .
I'm aware of Apps desire for a travel partner, and I don't have a problem with that either . . . . In my opinion, there's no reason an add can't be made in both the east and west.. . . I don't even have a problem with EKU, Coastal, and NMSU being added together . .. . I just don't know if Conference Leadership has the vision to be that proactive . . . . Most of what I've seen of SBC decisions seems to be reactionary. If I offended in my generalization of app fans position on NMSU . . . . Well it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. It's just one guy's opinion . . . Posted on a sports message board . . . It's not like world peace hangs in the balance . . .or. . . . . Does it?

Man, you make great points.

And, you're right....there is enough room for everybody.

If, I was an App St fan....I too would be worried about travel. Have you ever been to Boone....it's up the hill from the middle of no where.

(08-21-2015 09:08 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

There were no DII schools under consideration.

Sorry, you are correct.
FCS schools.
My bad.
But, to my credit....they are better than a DII school, right?

(08-21-2015 09:10 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:47 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

Never said App fans were not entitled to their opinion . . .. And perhaps there is a silent majority that's in favor of NMSU . . . . Most of the App opinions that I've read here, center on objection due to distance . . . . Which I personally think is a BS objection to a former Belt member and established FBS program . . . .
I'm aware of Apps desire for a travel partner, and I don't have a problem with that either . . . . In my opinion, there's no reason an add can't be made in both the east and west.. . . I don't even have a problem with EKU, Coastal, and NMSU being added together . .. . I just don't know if Conference Leadership has the vision to be that proactive . . . . Most of what I've seen of SBC decisions seems to be reactionary. If I offended in my generalization of app fans position on NMSU . . . . Well it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. It's just one guy's opinion . . . Posted on a sports message board . . . It's not like world peace hangs in the balance . . .or. . . . . Does it?

Man, you make great points.

And, you're right....there is enough room for everybody.

If, I was an App St fan....I too would be worried about travel. Have you ever been to Boone....it's up the hill from the middle of no where.

(08-21-2015 09:28 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 09:10 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:47 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

Never said App fans were not entitled to their opinion . . .. And perhaps there is a silent majority that's in favor of NMSU . . . . Most of the App opinions that I've read here, center on objection due to distance . . . . Which I personally think is a BS objection to a former Belt member and established FBS program . . . .
I'm aware of Apps desire for a travel partner, and I don't have a problem with that either . . . . In my opinion, there's no reason an add can't be made in both the east and west.. . . I don't even have a problem with EKU, Coastal, and NMSU being added together . .. . I just don't know if Conference Leadership has the vision to be that proactive . . . . Most of what I've seen of SBC decisions seems to be reactionary. If I offended in my generalization of app fans position on NMSU . . . . Well it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. It's just one guy's opinion . . . Posted on a sports message board . . . It's not like world peace hangs in the balance . . .or. . . . . Does it?

Man, you make great points.

And, you're right....there is enough room for everybody.

If, I was an App St fan....I too would be worried about travel. Have you ever been to Boone....it's up the hill from the middle of no where.

I see nmsu as a far and away better school in practically every facit of what makes a university. I understand that the schools in the east are desirous of an eastern add but you cant moan about lack of respect for the conference and at the same time be talking up the addition of small cheesey regional schools that have little or no standing. coastal and eku are certainly growing and making improvements but they both have a long way to go.

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

FWIW, I think NMSU should be added if we replace WKU with another team in the east and add a member. The Western division is compact with states having two teams and all states contiguous. Saying the east has to suck it up when you are enjoying your compact division that includes non-football travel partners lacks empathy and reasonableness. It's also hypocritical oh, and wrong. And some say the new adds in the East are Bus League. Get real.

The good news is that the league is made up of more mature leaders than some message board posters. They recognize the issue and acknowledge that travel in the east is an issue. They recognize it is a priority.

The signs are clear: it will be one in the east or two in the east plus NMSU. If it's only one in the east it's because one of the two east coast teams has been deemed not ready. It also very likely means NMSU has to wait another year until they are, or some other school steps to the front.

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I don't think I would call NMSU "great BB" or even "pretty good baseball." NMSU is 137-71 over the past six seasons with five tournament appearances in six years in basketball. No tournament wins. Coastal is 134-63 over the past six years, with two straight tournament appearances. No tournament wins. NMSU does have the better RPI over the six year period.

Coastal had an RPI of 19 last season in baseball, which would have been the best in the SBC last season. NMSU had an RPI of 289, which would have been the worst in the SBC last season. Coastal has made the NCAA tournament 12 of the past 15 years in baseball.

Throw in Coastal's men's soccer program, which is one of the best in the country and keeps the SBC auto bid with six schools and it just seems like they are the best choice for a 12th school. They are also bringing a very good FCS football program.

The only route that makes sense for an NMSU addition is at 12/14.

(08-22-2015 10:40 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I don't think I would call NMSU "great BB" or even "pretty good baseball." NMSU is 137-71 over the past six seasons with five tournament appearances in six years in basketball. No tournament wins. Coastal is 134-63 over the past six years, with two straight tournament appearances. No tournament wins. NMSU does have the better RPI over the six year period.

Coastal had an RPI of 19 last season in baseball, which would have been the best in the SBC last season. NMSU had an RPI of 289, which would have been the worst in the SBC last season. Coastal has made the NCAA tournament 12 of the past 15 years in baseball.

Throw in Coastal's men's soccer program, which is one of the best in the country and keeps the SBC auto bid with six schools and it just seems like they are the best choice for a 12th school. They are also bringing a very good FCS football program.

The only route that makes sense for an NMSU addition is at 12/14.

This is really what it boils down to for me. I like adding NMSU, but I want them along with Coastal. I really don't see any advantage they have over Coastal. Very close basketball, great soccer, Coastal has far better baseball, and at least a bit better football. The academic argument doesn't really work either, as neither are very prestigious (one just has more doctorates).
Ultimately though, Coastal gets us to 12.

What is up with the App St. fans and their FCS ways? Moving up to a FBS conference mean increased travel and expenses. Should have stay FCS in the bus league if you can't handle traveling to NMSU once every other year with divisional play in basketball.

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

(08-22-2015 10:40 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I don't think I would call NMSU "great BB" or even "pretty good baseball." NMSU is 137-71 over the past six seasons with five tournament appearances in six years in basketball. No tournament wins. Coastal is 134-63 over the past six years, with two straight tournament appearances. No tournament wins. NMSU does have the better RPI over the six year period.

Coastal had an RPI of 19 last season in baseball, which would have been the best in the SBC last season. NMSU had an RPI of 289, which would have been the worst in the SBC last season. Coastal has made the NCAA tournament 12 of the past 15 years in baseball.

Throw in Coastal's men's soccer program, which is one of the best in the country and keeps the SBC auto bid with six schools and it just seems like they are the best choice for a 12th school. They are also bringing a very good FCS football program.

The only route that makes sense for an NMSU addition is at 12/14.

New Mexico State basketball is better than CCU. You really need to stop with that B.S. NMSU would beat CCU by 20+ if we played them.

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

NMSU has some of the best facilities in the Sun Belt, so what the hell are you talking about?

(08-22-2015 12:02 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  New Mexico State basketball is better than CCU. You really need to stop with that B.S. NMSU would beat CCU by 20+ if we played them.

I fully admit that NMSU basketball is better, but not significantly better where you'd beat Coastal by 20 points. Coastal has only lost by 20+ points once in the last 2 years and that was a 65 RPI Clemson team with a deep run in the NIT. This includes the NCAA tournaments with coastal being seeded at 16.

(08-22-2015 11:52 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  What is up with the App St. fans and their FCS ways? Moving up to a FBS conference mean increased travel and expenses. Should have stay FCS in the bus league if you can't handle traveling to NMSU once every other year with divisional play in basketball.

(08-22-2015 12:02 PM)nmsuaggies Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 08:24 PM)MellowCorn Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

The App St people have a right to their opinion.
NMSU has had trouble competing in the past. Their facilities need some attention, their attendance needs some help...they aren't the prettiest candidate on the block.

However, they are definitely worthy of a lowly SBC invite. Way before some DII schools. Benson is a complete jack***. I wouldn't let him lead an expedition to purgatory.

(08-22-2015 10:40 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 06:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(08-21-2015 10:59 AM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  Let it be known that if NMSU is the topic, Bobcat87 will take a shot at App in some way.

Tell you what . . . If you, and your Appy peers, can give a credible reason for not adding an established FBS Program (NMSU) with great BB, which the Belt needs, and pretty good baseball, other than their distance from Boone. . . . Then I'll quit taking shots . . . But when your only rationale is .. . Their too far from us . . . . then you rate any shot taken . . .

I don't think I would call NMSU "great BB" or even "pretty good baseball." NMSU is 137-71 over the past six seasons with five tournament appearances in six years in basketball. No tournament wins. Coastal is 134-63 over the past six years, with two straight tournament appearances. No tournament wins. NMSU does have the better RPI over the six year period.

Coastal had an RPI of 19 last season in baseball, which would have been the best in the SBC last season. NMSU had an RPI of 289, which would have been the worst in the SBC last season. Coastal has made the NCAA tournament 12 of the past 15 years in baseball.

Throw in Coastal's men's soccer program, which is one of the best in the country and keeps the SBC auto bid with six schools and it just seems like they are the best choice for a 12th school. They are also bringing a very good FCS football program.

The only route that makes sense for an NMSU addition is at 12/14.

New Mexico State basketball is better than CCU. You really need to stop with that B.S. NMSU would beat CCU by 20+ if we played them.

Simmer down. I'd damn sure take the 20 points based on last year.