I actually feel for Idaho and the WAC. Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and throw in Sam Houston and McNeese might have saved the WAC, but the cost-benefit analysis shows it's not worth it. Montana and NDSU already own their respective markets, but the populations are so small moving to FBS wouldn't see a lot of increase in attendance and other revenue.

I don't think it's necessary to do away with Idaho. Adding Coastal or EKU in the East would be just fine:

Idaho, NMSU, Texas St., stAte, ULL, ULM

App, GS, Ga St, Troy, USA, EKU/Coastal

5 games in division with 3 out rotating with pairs Idaho/NMSU, Texas St./stAte, ULL/ULM, App/EKU-Coastal, GS/GaSt, Troy/USA

Championship game at best record first Saturday in December. Do away with a bye or start a week earlier. If Championship game is 2nd week that runs into bowls 3rd week

(08-17-2015 08:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many wins on average would it take for posters personally to want to renew the deal?

One thing I worry about is bowl games. If they get in position where they have to be picked for Sun Belt bowls...some Sun Belt bowl gets really screwed. How many fans will they bring to any of our bowls? Almost none.

But if they won 8 or 9 games a year wouldn't that be worth it?

(08-17-2015 08:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many wins on average would it take for posters personally to want to renew the deal?

One thing I worry about is bowl games. If they get in position where they have to be picked for Sun Belt bowls...some Sun Belt bowl gets really screwed. How many fans will they bring to any of our bowls? Almost none.

But if they won 8 or 9 games a year wouldn't that be worth it?

Would UMASS be worth it if they won 8 or 9 games a year?

(08-17-2015 08:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many wins on average would it take for posters personally to want to renew the deal?

One thing I worry about is bowl games. If they get in position where they have to be picked for Sun Belt bowls...some Sun Belt bowl gets really screwed. How many fans will they bring to any of our bowls? Almost none.

But if they won 8 or 9 games a year wouldn't that be worth it?

Winning every OOC and finishing 5-7 would be fine with me.

(08-17-2015 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  To Idaho fans, has there been thought ot discussion regarding building an outdoor stadium?

One day roof will come off the dome there are plans for it.

First a dig down and four 725 seat upper deck sections will get built. They will be the same size as the press box and luxury seating as far as overhang. Thirty six hundred seats for the dig down. WSU did the same thing removing their track.
The result twenty two thousand seats all sideline on top of the field. Twenty seven million is already approved once the new arena is built.

End zone seating would be the next option for expansion.
Fifteen hundred seats can go where racquetball courts are currently in the East end. Home to our football operations center. Weight room,120 person meeting room,position meeting rooms ,training rooms and hydrotherapy pools locker rooms etc. The dome doubles as are IPF and we have two outdoor spinturf fields with lights. Seats are all that is needed.

What is a little frustrating is why don't we build the two cheapest additions to get over twenty thousand ?
I think waiting and doing it right will be worth it as long as we remain FBS. Idaho has an interesting history with 73 years at the top level. Spending time as the only major college program in the Big Sky forfeiting any chance for a title. We have a lot of.history with OSU,UTAH ,WSU,NEVADA,USU and BSU . Only the Montana schools offer any interest as far as.FCS schools.

(08-17-2015 08:12 PM)airtroop Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:09 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many wins on average would it take for posters personally to want to renew the deal?

One thing I worry about is bowl games. If they get in position where they have to be picked for Sun Belt bowls...some Sun Belt bowl gets really screwed. How many fans will they bring to any of our bowls? Almost none.

But if they won 8 or 9 games a year wouldn't that be worth it?

Would UMASS be worth it if they won 8 or 9 games a year?

To me, yes, especially if they go 3-1 in OOC.

(08-17-2015 08:18 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  To Idaho fans, has there been thought ot discussion regarding building an outdoor stadium?

One day roof will come off the dome there are plans for it.

First a dig down and four 725 seat upper deck sections will get built. They will be the same size as the press box and luxury seating as far as overhang. Thirty six hundred seats for the dig down. WSU did the same thing removing their track.
The result twenty two thousand seats all sideline on top of the field. Twenty seven million is already approved once the new arena is built.

End zone seating would be the next option for expansion.
Fifteen hundred seats can go where racquetball courts are currently in the East end. Home to our football operations center. Weight room,120 person meeting room,position meeting rooms ,training rooms and hydrotherapy pools locker rooms etc. The dome doubles as are IPF and we have two outdoor spinturf fields with lights. Seats are all that is needed.

What is a little frustrating is why don't we build the two cheapest additions to get over twenty thousand ?
I think waiting and doing it right will be worth it as long as we remain FBS. Idaho has an interesting history with 73 years at the top level. Spending time as the only major college program in the Big Sky forfeiting any chance for a title. We have a lot of.history with OSU,UTAH ,WSU,NEVADA,USU and BSU . Only the Montana schools offer any interest as far as.FCS schools.

Do you guys get that much more snow than Colorado or Wyoming? Just think an outdoor venue highlighting amazing views would be cool.

(08-17-2015 05:51 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 05:40 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 05:39 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  http://dnews.com/blogs/idaho-ad-rob-spea...b91ad.html

While I commend the AD for coming out and dedicating the school to FBS, I have to wonder if he knows/knew that the Sun Belt was not a forever home for Idaho? The only conferences that fits his criteria is the MWC and Pac-12, both of which will not be extending an invite to the Vandals anytime soon. If Idaho wishes to be successful, dropping back down to FCS is almost necessary. They would quickly compete and be in the middle of the conference footprint in the Big Sky.

Or they fix their football facilities issue and rock on.

Oh, so fixing their football facilities is suddenly going to help them recruit substantially better than they are now? I'm sorry, but Idaho has a reputation. That gets around to student-athletes. Facilities or not, they have a massive amount of work to do.

Idaho has never had a problem recruiting players. There will always be kids who want to play FBS ball, just like kids will go to Kentucky to play in the SEC. Recruiting is fun to follow but fans fail to realize it is far less important to land talented players as it is to get the right players for your system and coaching them up. If schools like BJC, Fresno, TCU etc could find players who could beat far teams with far higher rated
recruits Idaho can find the players to beat ULL, Arkansas St, etc.

(08-17-2015 08:18 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  To Idaho fans, has there been thought ot discussion regarding building an outdoor stadium?

One day roof will come off the dome there are plans for it.

So what does an outdoor stadium do for Idaho's attendance?

(08-17-2015 08:03 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I actually feel for Idaho and the WAC. Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and throw in Sam Houston and McNeese might have saved the WAC, but the cost-benefit analysis shows it's not worth it. Montana and NDSU already own their respective markets, but the populations are so small moving to FBS wouldn't see a lot of increase in attendance and other revenue.

I don't think it's necessary to do away with Idaho. Adding Mizzou St.in the West and Coastal or EKU in the East would be just fine:

Idaho, NMSU, Mizzou St., stAte, ULL, ULM

App, GS, Ga St, Troy, USA, EKU/Coastal

5 games in division with 3 out rotating with pairs Idaho/NMSU, Mizzou/stAte, ULL/ULM, App/EKU-Coastal, GS/GaSt, Troy/USA

Championship game at best record first Saturday in December. Do away with a bye or start a week earlier. If Championship game is 2nd week that runs into bowls 3rd week

What did you do with Texas State?

(08-17-2015 09:11 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:03 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I actually feel for Idaho and the WAC. Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and throw in Sam Houston and McNeese might have saved the WAC, but the cost-benefit analysis shows it's not worth it. Montana and NDSU already own their respective markets, but the populations are so small moving to FBS wouldn't see a lot of increase in attendance and other revenue.

I don't think it's necessary to do away with Idaho. Adding Coastal or EKU in the East would be just fine:

Idaho, NMSU, Texas St., stAte, ULL, ULM

App, GS, Ga St, Troy, USA, EKU/Coastal

5 games in division with 3 out rotating with pairs Idaho/NMSU, Texas St./stAte, ULL/ULM, App/EKU-Coastal, GS/GaSt, Troy/USA

Championship game at best record first Saturday in December. Do away with a bye or start a week earlier. If Championship game is 2nd week that runs into bowls 3rd week

What did you do with Texas State?

Oops!

What ever do you mean? The Bobcats are right there!

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It's been mentioned on here before, but its far from a guarantee the league boots Idaho. We can, but there has been a lot of talk of late that several Presidents don't want to destroy Idaho's football program. It might be a decision the Vandals have to make on their own.

Like I said in another thread where this topic was raised. With all due respect to Idaho, the Sun Belt's presidents and administration need to do what's best for the conference. This conference shouldn't be in the business of propping up programs, it needs to be in the business of making money and doing what's best for its membership.

(08-17-2015 09:11 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:03 PM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  I actually feel for Idaho and the WAC. Cal Poly, Eastern Washington, Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, and throw in Sam Houston and McNeese might have saved the WAC, but the cost-benefit analysis shows it's not worth it. Montana and NDSU already own their respective markets, but the populations are so small moving to FBS wouldn't see a lot of increase in attendance and other revenue.

I don't think it's necessary to do away with Idaho. Adding Mizzou St.in the West and Coastal or EKU in the East would be just fine:

Idaho, NMSU, Mizzou St., stAte, ULL, ULM

App, GS, Ga St, Troy, USA, EKU/Coastal

5 games in division with 3 out rotating with pairs Idaho/NMSU, Mizzou/stAte, ULL/ULM, App/EKU-Coastal, GS/GaSt, Troy/USA

Championship game at best record first Saturday in December. Do away with a bye or start a week earlier. If Championship game is 2nd week that runs into bowls 3rd week

What did you do with Texas State?

I must admit, the random unintentional slights of Texas State on this board are hilarious. It's almost like we're doing it on purpose.

(08-17-2015 10:04 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It's been mentioned on here before, but its far from a guarantee the league boots Idaho. We can, but there has been a lot of talk of late that several Presidents don't want to destroy Idaho's football program. It might be a decision the Vandals have to make on their own.

Like I said in another thread where this topic was raised. With all due respect to Idaho, the Sun Belt's presidents and administration need to do what's best for the conference. This conference shouldn't be in the business of propping up programs, it needs to be in the business of making money and doing what's best for its membership.

Not to start anything, but it could be argued we're propping up Georgia State's program right now as well. (Though you guys provide value in other sports at least)

That being said, this is a new class of Presidents, so there's no way of knowing what they will do when the time comes to vote on their membership at the end of the year.

(08-17-2015 10:04 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 06:06 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  It's been mentioned on here before, but its far from a guarantee the league boots Idaho. We can, but there has been a lot of talk of late that several Presidents don't want to destroy Idaho's football program. It might be a decision the Vandals have to make on their own.

Like I said in another thread where this topic was raised. With all due respect to Idaho, the Sun Belt's presidents and administration need to do what's best for the conference. This conference shouldn't be in the business of propping up programs, it needs to be in the business of making money and doing what's best for its membership.

We should've thought of that before inviting them.

(08-17-2015 08:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:18 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  To Idaho fans, has there been thought ot discussion regarding building an outdoor stadium?

One day roof will come off the dome there are plans for it.

So what does an outdoor stadium do for Idaho's attendance?

It should help overall. Everyone attending the first home game in October will be frozen to their seats for the remainder of the season. After that, it's just a matter of getting a few new people to come to the stadium for the following games.

(08-17-2015 08:49 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 08:18 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-17-2015 07:31 PM)panama Wrote:  To Idaho fans, has there been thought ot discussion regarding building an outdoor stadium?

One day roof will come off the dome there are plans for it.

So what does an outdoor stadium do for Idaho's attendance?

Washington STate is like 8 miles away and they play outdoor.

The Sun Belt can continue to work for Idaho just as the MWC works for Hawaii and the Big 12 works for WVU. The Vandals simply have to think of themselves as being on an island; when you're a long way offshore, you get over your frustration with the inconvenience and just deal with it. Sure the road trips cover a lot of miles, but in terms of travel time, four hours on a plane instead of two doesn't make that big of a difference.

The important thing is to start winning some games. The travel distance should work in Idaho's favor when they play at home. Their fans need to pack the Dome and make some noise! If the Vandals can become at least somewhat competitive in conference, I doubt the Sun Belt will cut them loose.

(08-17-2015 07:34 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  How many wins on average would it take for posters personally to want to renew the deal?

The lack of wins, while important, isn't my biggest issue. For four straight years they've had an APR below 930. That's what I can't live with. If they won three conference games a year and had an APR of 940, I wouldn't be bothered with them in the conference.

(08-17-2015 05:39 PM)rknj8993 Wrote:  http://dnews.com/blogs/idaho-ad-rob-spea...b91ad.html

While I commend the AD for coming out and dedicating the school to FBS, I have to wonder if he knows/knew that the Sun Belt was not a forever home for Idaho? The only conferences that fits his criteria is the MWC and Pac-12, both of which will not be extending an invite to the Vandals anytime soon. If Idaho wishes to be successful, dropping back down to FCS is almost necessary. They would quickly compete and be in the middle of the conference footprint in the Big Sky.

At least they are showing commitment to FBS. I am going to sit behind my golden keyboard so don't take this as a knock. I respect App St. And GS, and anyone that makes the jump. North Dakota, and Montana etc. will never become significant in FCS they can win 10 National Championships in FCS and never become as significant as winning a bowl game in FBS.

Also Idaho is willing to travel to NC, GA, AL etc for every away game. While we b**** about going to Idaho for one game.. Then on top of that schools are not willing to travel to even NMSU for all sports, but NMSU has to travel for every sport to NC, GA, AL etc. for every away game they have. Why even go FBS if you are not willing to spend the money and travel to NMSU, or Idaho. NMSU, and Idaho are showing more commitment then some of these schools that join the conference.