Even objective posters from different conferences agree this writer is very negative towards MARSHALL.His articles even on harmless subjects have inaccuracies.He is pro WV mountaineers and anti anyone else.

(08-14-2015 01:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  So Tuesday is mid-week, but Thursday isn't, got it.

Thursday has sorta become a normal day for football with the NFL and even P5 conference teams playing that day.

Tuesday is not.

(08-14-2015 02:42 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 09:31 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 09:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:54 AM)Niner National Wrote:  MAC gets $800,000/yr per school while having some of the worst attendance and viewership numbers in D1.

CUSA is not dropping below the MAC, so even if we got the same deal as them, I wouldn't call a $200,000 reduction tanking.

You guys are ******* comical.

What is likely to happen is the MAC, CUSA, and SBC all end up around the same level. CUSA isn't going to tank, but the SBC's TV money may skyrocket to put them at or near the same level as CUSA and the MAC instead of the embarrassingly low levels it is right now.

Also, this line is absurd:


TV contract talks aren't something you start discussing a few months before the contract expires. Banowsky has already been very involved in those talks. Chances are, the networks already have a good idea of what they're willing to pay and they're just waiting around for a second season of CUSA 3.0 football to finish up so they can gauge the ratings and finalize the numbers.

Have you compared ratings numbers? The most watched CUSA game was La.Tech - Marshall with 725,000 viewers. Most watched CUSA regular season game was Marshall - WKU with 463,000 viewers. Third most watched on networks reporting ratings was 277K for UTEP/Rice

MAC: Ohio v. Miami (OH) 564,000
BGSU v Toledo 556,000
Toledo-NIU 600,000
NIU-Ball St 533,000

The MAC had four games outdraw the second most watched CUSA game. Didn't bother comparing the third most-watched CUSA game.

When NIU was relevant they were drawing audiences double that, topping a million viewers.

I bet those MAC games were on ESPN during the middle of the week with no other football competition. The only reason they are getting numbers like that is because ESPN is the "default" channel for football in every sports bar and home in America. You cant make an apples to apples comparison between the CUSA and the MAC because of this. Most people watching couldn't care what G5 team was playing. They just want to watch some football. I suspect if CUSA games were on that channel the numbers would be much higher.

You're right, but credit the MAC, they got that contract and that money because they were willing to take midweek games.

If CUSA stays with Fox, its entirely possible you could end up with a smaller TV deal than the MAC, playing games in front of smaller audiences on a channel that most people don;'t receive. But hey, at least you'll be on Saturday.

A couple midweek games a year can be good for a G5 program. Maybe not the crazy numbers the MAC takes, but one Tuesday game a year doesn't hurt anyone.

I would much rather play on Saturday even if it meant we receive less money. I think it is better for the program and the fan base, however, I don't think our deal will be smaller than the MAC.



I agree a couple midweek games aren't bad, but I think the MAC's strategy of playing so many is a poor one. I think they are going after the short term money grab at the expense of building their programs, fan bases, and tradition. I think that is a huge contributor to why they have the worst attendance of all conferences.

Your first point: I don't know about the Saturday thing. We had 6 home Saturday's ;ast year, which hasn't happened often, and our administration made a big deal about it, but our attendance was actually lower than years where we had multiple midweek games. I can see the benefit, but I really don't think it has a big impact on growth of a fan base

Your second point sort of misses what the MAC's strategy is. The Mac has never been able to build large fan support and enthusiasm because football is just not popular at several of their schools. They aren't going to draw crowds playing on Wednesday night or Saturday night, so why not play for the Wednesday's and go for the national attention?

(08-14-2015 03:08 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 01:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  So Tuesday is mid-week, but Thursday isn't, got it.

Thursday has sorta become a normal day for football with the NFL and even P5 conference teams playing that day.

Tuesday is not.

Down here, Thursday is called Little Friday. Tuesday is called, well, Tueday.

Weekend starts on Thursday in ATL

(08-14-2015 01:45 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  So Tuesday is mid-week, but Thursday isn't, got it.

Or Friday. Friday is the same as Saturday now.

The G5's financial bonus for fielding competitive teams has taken much of the luster out of adding or maintaining struggling tv markets. See CUSA commiss. The focus going forward, assuming new market adds continue to fail to pay dividends with stagnant or reduced tv contracts, will be creating a conference consisting mainly of proven winners. Much like compounding growth or giving steroids to a horse the process of creating a money maker speeds up dramatically when winners are paired together in the new system. Yes regional rivalries are vital but follow the money. IF the G5 get's raided for the top teams remaining I would expect a major shake up to soon follow and the Marshal fan may get his wish sooner than later. Reality is if you don't start winning some games you may get left behind no matter who you are. Just my two more cents.

(08-14-2015 08:54 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 08:38 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Don't know if it's really going to matter if Banowsky is available or not, CUSA's TV deal will tank. How would it not?

MAC gets $800,000/yr per school while having some of the worst attendance and viewership numbers in D1.

CUSA is not dropping below the MAC, so even if we got the same deal as them, I wouldn't call a $200,000 reduction tanking.

You guys are ******* comical.

What is likely to happen is the MAC, CUSA, and SBC all end up around the same level. CUSA isn't going to tank, but the SBC's TV money may skyrocket to put them at or near the same level as CUSA and the MAC instead of the embarrassingly low levels it is right now.

Also, this line is absurd:

Quote:But, now, it appears highly doubtful that Banowsky, who led Conference USA for nearly 13 years, will be around for those talks.

TV contract talks aren't something you start discussing a few months before the contract expires. Banowsky has already been very involved in those talks. Chances are, the networks already have a good idea of what they're willing to pay and they're just waiting around for a second season of CUSA 3.0 football to finish up so they can gauge the ratings and finalize the numbers.

I doubt that the sbc contract will skyrocket but I agree it will end up close to the others. we have added a semi media darling in apps and gaso has a strong following and txst is near a large media market so those things will have some affect on it .

(08-14-2015 03:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 02:42 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 12:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 09:31 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(08-14-2015 09:08 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Have you compared ratings numbers? The most watched CUSA game was La.Tech - Marshall with 725,000 viewers. Most watched CUSA regular season game was Marshall - WKU with 463,000 viewers. Third most watched on networks reporting ratings was 277K for UTEP/Rice

MAC: Ohio v. Miami (OH) 564,000
BGSU v Toledo 556,000
Toledo-NIU 600,000
NIU-Ball St 533,000

The MAC had four games outdraw the second most watched CUSA game. Didn't bother comparing the third most-watched CUSA game.

When NIU was relevant they were drawing audiences double that, topping a million viewers.

I bet those MAC games were on ESPN during the middle of the week with no other football competition. The only reason they are getting numbers like that is because ESPN is the "default" channel for football in every sports bar and home in America. You cant make an apples to apples comparison between the CUSA and the MAC because of this. Most people watching couldn't care what G5 team was playing. They just want to watch some football. I suspect if CUSA games were on that channel the numbers would be much higher.

You're right, but credit the MAC, they got that contract and that money because they were willing to take midweek games.

If CUSA stays with Fox, its entirely possible you could end up with a smaller TV deal than the MAC, playing games in front of smaller audiences on a channel that most people don;'t receive. But hey, at least you'll be on Saturday.

A couple midweek games a year can be good for a G5 program. Maybe not the crazy numbers the MAC takes, but one Tuesday game a year doesn't hurt anyone.

I would much rather play on Saturday even if it meant we receive less money. I think it is better for the program and the fan base, however, I don't think our deal will be smaller than the MAC.



I agree a couple midweek games aren't bad, but I think the MAC's strategy of playing so many is a poor one. I think they are going after the short term money grab at the expense of building their programs, fan bases, and tradition. I think that is a huge contributor to why they have the worst attendance of all conferences.

Your first point: I don't know about the Saturday thing. We had 6 home Saturday's ;ast year, which hasn't happened often, and our administration made a big deal about it, but our attendance was actually lower than years where we had multiple midweek games. I can see the benefit, but I really don't think it has a big impact on growth of a fan base

Your second point sort of misses what the MAC's strategy is. The Mac has never been able to build large fan support and enthusiasm because football is just not popular at several of their schools. They aren't going to draw crowds playing on Wednesday night or Saturday night, so why not play for the Wednesday's and go for the national attention?

Right---and don't forget, the regular Tues/Wed type MAC-tion games don't begin until later in the season. That's when the weather starts getting worse. Thus, smaller crowds were going to be the case anyway. By playing early week nights, the MAC has not really given up much while carving out a little niche for itself. These games with no competition give the MAC some national pub, idecent audiences, and exposure that is helping with recruiting. For the first time, this early week night game strategy has resulted in the MAC finally having a product that ESPN has a real use for. The strategy has resulted in the 70 year old MAC finally being paid similarly to CUSA for the first time since CUSA came on the scene.

The weekend starts on Thursday in every college town (or place with young people) in the country.

(08-14-2015 03:08 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Even objective posters from different conferences agree this writer is very negative towards MARSHALL.His articles even on harmless subjects have inaccuracies.He is pro WV mountaineers and anti anyone else.

Negative or factual? Was he wrong saying 13 of the Herd's 25 signees didn't make it to campus? Was he wrong about last year's signing class?

(08-14-2015 05:37 PM)BurlingtonApp Wrote:  The weekend starts on Thursday in every college town (or place with young people) in the country.

I miss college

If the powers that be accept Costal Carolina, Eastern Ky, and New Mexico State into the SBC then our desirability will drop leaving us in the same position as C-USA. Our money will go down too.

Build what we have.................................don't insure that the SBC is at the bottom of the barrel.

(08-15-2015 05:45 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  If the powers that be accept Costal Carolina, Eastern Ky, and New Mexico State into the SBC then our desirability will drop leaving us in the same position as C-USA. Our money will go down too.

Build what we have.................................don't insure that the SBC is at the bottom of the barrel.

If our money goes down much more, we'll be paying someone to televise our games.

(08-15-2015 05:48 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 05:45 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  If the powers that be accept Costal Carolina, Eastern Ky, and New Mexico State into the SBC then our desirability will drop leaving us in the same position as C-USA. Our money will go down too.

Build what we have.................................don't insure that the SBC is at the bottom of the barrel.

If our money goes down much more, we'll be paying someone to televise our games.

adding nmsu would actually elevate our standing and would make a tv package more valuable in that the aggies are a nationally followed basketball program.

(08-16-2015 07:50 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 05:48 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 05:45 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  If the powers that be accept Costal Carolina, Eastern Ky, and New Mexico State into the SBC then our desirability will drop leaving us in the same position as C-USA. Our money will go down too.

Build what we have.................................don't insure that the SBC is at the bottom of the barrel.

If our money goes down much more, we'll be paying someone to televise our games.

adding nmsu would actually elevate our standing and would make a tv package more valuable in that the aggies are a nationally followed basketball program.

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(08-16-2015 11:47 AM)Senatobia Wrote:  

(08-16-2015 07:50 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 05:48 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(08-15-2015 05:45 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  If the powers that be accept Costal Carolina, Eastern Ky, and New Mexico State into the SBC then our desirability will drop leaving us in the same position as C-USA. Our money will go down too.

Build what we have.................................don't insure that the SBC is at the bottom of the barrel.

If our money goes down much more, we'll be paying someone to televise our games.

adding nmsu would actually elevate our standing and would make a tv package more valuable in that the aggies are a nationally followed basketball program.

Football................................(shouldn't have listed NMSU as they are already here)











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You noticed! . .. . Now we need to give them an ALL SPORTS Invite . .. .

I think as long as TXST, ULL, stAte, Southern, App St, ULM, and USA can stay together this will be one hell of a competitive G5 league and will get an upgrade to our current TV contract. When do we start negotiating that by the way?

(08-16-2015 04:05 PM)Godzilla Wrote:  I think as long as TXST, ULL, stAte, Southern, App St, ULM, and USA can stay together this will be one hell of a competitive G5 league and will get an upgrade to our current TV contract. When do we start negotiating that by the way?

I believe it'll be up shortly, Karl locked us in until 2050 or therebouts.