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(08-10-2015 10:30 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  Yes but if you invite EKU and CCU now, 2016-2017 would be EKU and CCU's transitional season while being Idaho's last season. So by 2017-2018 you have 12 football teams playing a Sun Belt schedule.

There's also the concern of giving the east that kind of voting block and deciding "eh, we don't want to add a western team, so we'll just vote no."
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(08-10-2015 10:39 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 10:30 PM)GaStPanthers Wrote:  Yes but if you invite EKU and CCU now, 2016-2017 would be EKU and CCU's transitional season while being Idaho's last season. So by 2017-2018 you have 12 football teams playing a Sun Belt schedule.

There's also the concern of giving the east that kind of voting block and deciding "eh, we don't want to add a western team, so we'll just vote no."

Yup, if NMSU is going to be added, it needs to happen simultaneously to adding a "travel partner" for Appalachian State. Once the eastern schools get the member they want, their is no need for this newly formed "voting block" to vote in a team they deem too far west.
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Is it me or do we not like good teams in the SB?

Montana, Montana St., South Dakota St, North Dakota St, N. Iowa, S. Illinois, McNeese St, UTC, Richmond, Sam Houston St., Stephen F. Austin
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There wasn't an "I don't care right now the season is almost here" option so I went with NMSU.
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(08-10-2015 11:09 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  Is it me or do we not like good teams in the SB?

Montana, Montana St., South Dakota St, North Dakota St, N. Iowa, S. Illinois, McNeese St, UTC, Richmond, Sam Houston St., Stephen F. Austin

Montana and Montana State have no interest in FBS. Ditto for NDSU. Not to mention they are a gazillion miles away. Similar situation for Northern Iowa.

We actually called Southern Illinois, they were not interested. ULL would admit McNeese over their dead body, Sam Houston and SFA are blocked by several schools because no one likes the old Southland teams.

Richmond and UTC make a ton of sense, but neither appear to be interested in FBS.
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RE: Poll: Which expansion opption do you prefer?
I look at it this way. The Sun Belt contacted Coastal. Eastern Kentucky contacted the Sun Belt. New Mexico State doesn't fit at this time. Go with the beach chickens.
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Here's my two cents.

NMSU is a great choice. Basketball would immediately elevate the RPI of the conference at the rate they have been the last few years. Budget wise, they are great, above most SBC schools, so that isn't an issue. Their sports are well attended, though football needs work (the posters from NMSU seem to think this year will be really good). They won the Commissioner's Cup for the first time this year in a water-down WAC. The main drawback is geography. I think if they were in another state that is more coveted, even if equally far away, they'd get more consideration. Being far away and in New Mexico is rough.

CCU is a really good choice. The obvious is they fit the current footprint, which is a big concern of mine. I dislike seeing conference maps with holes in them and this would fill a hole. So they fit geographically, how do they compare competitively? They've won the Big South's Commisioners Cup two years in a row and 11 times overall. Big South isn't a basketball powerhouse, but they have won the conference tourney the last two years and been in the NCAA's or NIT four times in the last five years. Their baseball has hosted a regional four times, a super once and averaged 37 wins the last five years. A feather in the cap is men's soccer, a sport no other team offers and finished #21 in RPI this past year. Biggest question mark is facilities, but it really isn't that big. Football has been promised to be expanded, and even at the small size is a very nice venue. Basketball is a new, fieldhouse-type venue. It is small, but they'd have been second in the SBC in attendance, so they pack it at least. Everything else is on par with other SBC venues.

EKU is a little less of a slam dunk for me. Their facilities are dated, but have been promised or are in the process of renovation. They are competitive in the Ohio Valley, winning three of the last four Commish Cups. Basketball is solid at best. The OVC is a better conference than Big South, so it's hard to compare CCU's success to EKU's. Baseball is lacking, in both results and attendance. Speaking of... EKU's overall attendance is bad. UTA without football was roughly 25,000 behind EKU in total attendance. I hesitate to say attendance will increase with a change in conference. NMSU and CCU both have much better attendance against similar "meh" opponents.

Balancing all that, I think CCU gets the nod. I like the geographic compactness and 12 historically is a very stable conference number. Completing a travel partner to reduce costs is another bonus. Their facilities are new and they have the money to do what's needed now. The sports are competitive and have a tremendous upside. I really like NMSU and hope their is a spot for them. I'd be all for them joining if there's a team in the future in the "west" that departs. Just think this scenario is against them. I was for EKU a year ago, but I just think overall CCU is a better choice.
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(08-10-2015 07:55 PM)Atlanta Trojan Wrote:  None of that

Add Costal Carolina and NMSU in all sports and hold out at 12 until we are in a place to drop Idaho or allow them to find something else and add Missouri State after we become much more desirable as a conference in basketball.

THIS is my vote

the scheduling issues for Basketball with 13 teams wont be as bad as with 11.
now some of the scheduling problems could be helped right now by going to 16 conference games. but why would the members want to do something so bold? I know a few are in favor of such a bold move.

what happens when we get to 14 teams, will we still play 20 conference games? we bring more problems on ourselves, than we need to. and I still don't see how CCU works as a travel partner for App St. they still cause travel issues( logistically)
point is that all moves that we are discussing will cause travel issues, so take the best programs available, and ONLY the best right now, save the last spot for later.
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This is my nightmare come true
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RE: Poll: Which expansion opption do you prefer?
So, we are currently at 11 Football and 11 Oly.?

Honestly, I'm not sure who the non-football members even are. But I thought we only had two. One from Texas and one from Ark?

So if we drop Idaho, adding both EKU/CCU and bringing in NMSU's Oly. Sports gets us to 12/14.

Keep Idaho and we are at 13/14?

What about the Texas school restarting football? Any advancement on that? What about FGC for oly only? Just seems like the conference is westward heavy in non-football. Anybody else in the East and in footprint without football y'all think would be good for non-football membership to balance that out to come in with FGC that would rise the respect of the Sun Belt in those sports?


Lot's of questions. I wouldn't rule UTC out either for a not too distant future.

I agree that the candidates will still be in line down the road, but we must consider that the gap between the FCS and FBS will be widened by COA and the longer we wait, some of these programs may begin to sink in terms of attendance and ability to compete and later take longer to build back up? Just a thought. Maybe better soon than later?

BUT - for now, with all the uncertainty - I vote CCU and NMSU oly. to take us to I believe 12/12. Let's get our CCG. And get those other guys to BUILD up and hopefully we are talking about perhaps going 14/14 soon enough (we stay intact!), but if we lose somebody - we have a great idea who is in the batters box. Let them have their arms race to make themselves more attractive.
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(08-11-2015 07:43 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  So, we are currently at 11 Football and 11 Oly.?

Honestly, I'm not sure who the non-football members even are. But I thought we only had two. One from Texas and one from Ark?

So if we drop Idaho, adding both EKU/CCU and bringing in NMSU's Oly. Sports gets us to 12/14.

Keep Idaho and we are at 13/14?

What about the Texas school restarting football? Any advancement on that? What about FGC for oly only? Just seems like the conference is westward heavy in non-football. Anybody else in the East and in footprint without football y'all think would be good for non-football membership to balance that out to come in with FGC that would rise the respect of the Sun Belt in those sports?


Lot's of questions. I wouldn't rule UTC out either for a not too distant future.

I agree that the candidates will still be in line down the road, but we must consider that the gap between the FCS and FBS will be widened by COA and the longer we wait, some of these programs may begin to sink in terms of attendance and ability to compete and later take longer to build back up? Just a thought. Maybe better soon than later?

BUT - for now, with all the uncertainty - I vote CCU and NMSU oly. to take us to I believe 12/12. Let's get our CCG. And get those other guys to BUILD up and hopefully we are talking about perhaps going 14/14 soon enough (we stay intact!), but if we lose somebody - we have a great idea who is in the batters box. Let them have their arms race to make themselves more attractive.

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(08-11-2015 05:20 AM)panama Wrote:  This is my nightmare come true

What's that? Adding "mediocre" FCS teams that could wipe the floor with GaSt in football? Trust us, few in this conference are really all that proud to be in a conference with you guys, especially in football.

Works both ways.
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(08-10-2015 08:48 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  Nobody. We already have programs that need considerable upgrading.

Why in the world dilute the conference more.

Play with what you've got and even give notice to Idaho they won't be renewed.

If major changes come about these same schools will still be standing in line waiting to move up. By waiting we don't dilute our brand with more who are not ready and put them on notice that they need to seize this opportunity to upgrade to a point where all members would find them worthy.

Nobody gave ASU anything but a hard time and even a demotion in the 80s back to FCS. We've earned everything we have with someone's foot on our throat

I want to build MY SCHOOL not build somebody elses......No more of Benson's scare tactics for me. I want worthy membership.

Screw this bundle idea. Either you are worthy of entry or not.

The conference will survive, but if they go the bundle route they will guarantee the top teams will ALWAYS leave at the first opportunity and not be pulled down by undeserving upstarts. Why volunteer to take on additional "projects" when it makes us even weaker.

I for one believe we'd be much better off had we not taken any advice from a certified conference killer named Benson.

I've seen enough stupid moves. With Benson that's all you'll ever get.

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Curse you Karl for not stopping the B1G and Pac-12 expansions that killed WAC football! What were you thinking?
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(08-10-2015 09:07 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Also all this talk of we need to wait to see if JMU changes its mind is ridiculous. We gave JMU a chance and they basically said they wouldn't lower themselves to join the likes of us. So I say screw em. Let them stay in the CAA.

For 2 years now we have danced around expansion. JMU and Missouri St. have no interest and the conference has no interest in Liberty. Enough. Get it done and let's move on with 12/14 setup.

Let's get something straight. It's only a handful of people at JMU that don't want to "lower themselves to join the likes of you". Unfortunately a couple of them happen to be in leadership positions. You can say all you want about them, but it's erroneous to associate the entire school with that opinion. I for one have no problem lowering myself to join the likes of you. There are lots of us willing to lower ourselves. So see? We're not all supercilious d-bags.
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(08-10-2015 11:09 PM)rbostic218 Wrote:  Is it me or do we not like good teams in the SB?

Montana, Montana St., South Dakota St, North Dakota St, N. Iowa, S. Illinois, McNeese St, UTC, Richmond, Sam Houston St., Stephen F. Austin

It's you.

The Sun Belt likes adding teams that are wanting to be in FBS.

I think perhaps Sam Houston and SFA want to be in FBS, but they have some work to do from support to facilities. Which is a shame for Sam Houston because I am pretty sure they have good baseball too.
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(08-11-2015 09:25 AM)2Buck Wrote:  
(08-10-2015 09:07 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Also all this talk of we need to wait to see if JMU changes its mind is ridiculous. We gave JMU a chance and they basically said they wouldn't lower themselves to join the likes of us. So I say screw em. Let them stay in the CAA.

For 2 years now we have danced around expansion. JMU and Missouri St. have no interest and the conference has no interest in Liberty. Enough. Get it done and let's move on with 12/14 setup.

Let's get something straight. It's only a handful of people at JMU that don't want to "lower themselves to join the likes of you". Unfortunately a couple of them happen to be in leadership positions. You can say all you want about them, but it's erroneous to associate the entire school with that opinion. I for one have no problem lowering myself to join the likes of you. There are lots of us willing to lower ourselves. So see? We're not all supercilious d-bags.

Hey, Good to know you're Not a supercilious d-bag. And I think it's awesome that you're personally willing to lower yourself to join the likes of us.

However, Please don't feel like you have to be a martyr on behalf of The Sun Belt. Stick to your guns .. .. . Be the Academically elite institution we all know you to be ..
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OK, whatever you say but the proofs in the pudding. Wait a minute how is Sam needing to work on things any different than Coastal? Don't get me wrong I am for Coastal joining but not EKU.
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I still think long term MoSt is the best choice. They are in a good state for football and only have one instate team to worry about, that is rare. They also have a good rep in basketball. Does not look like they are interested but I think they have the most upside of any team in our footprint by far.
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(08-11-2015 10:01 AM)rbostic218 Wrote:  OK, whatever you say but the proofs in the pudding. Wait a minute how is Sam needing to work on things any different than Coastal? Don't get me wrong I am for Coastal joining but not EKU.

Sam needs new facilities. CCU needs to upgrade their facilities. Big $$$ difference, which is the second part: CCU is running like 90% capacity (estimate, I don't recall the exact number). Sam is running far FAR less.

Sam has not bad basketball, but not that good. CCU has better basketball I believe. Baseball? I'd give a slight edge to CCU, but I think Sam could equal them overall.

If I'm not mistaken, I also think CCU has WAY more season ticket holders, donations, and donors than Sam does.

I like (to hate) Sam Houston, but really... they are in a tough spot. They are surrounded by FBS football, have pro teams really close by, and lots of other distractions that keeps their fan base split up and not unified.

Not sure what the difference was with us (because we are in a similar situation, just with one GIANT FBS school at the time), because when we hit the playoffs our fans got really into it. Sam's did not, which is a shame.
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