(07-30-2015 02:04 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Just a point on scheduling here EMU traded the MSU game for two huge paydays from Missouri. The AD has to balance an athletic budget to support ALL EMU sports.

Again yes we have alot of work to do in football but lets not take the focus on the fact that we do have success in other sports.

CC needs to stay on track and needs our support. He has enough hills to climb. I think he's up to the heavy lifting it will take to move the program forward.

And, I mentioned it before, and others have confirmed that the way the MSU/EMU contract was written there was no incentive for MSU to even play at EMU.

As it was the last game in the series, all MSU had to do was pay a 500K fee for not playing the game (and, guys, this happens a lot in college sports, games are canceled and one team pays off the other esp as a contract which is say 5 - 8 years old is probably a bad contract for the team receiving the road game guarantee. Things have been changing a lot in college FB, esp money wise.).

So we would have gotten ZERO dollars for the 2016 game and 500K cancellation fee for 2020.

The way the contract was written: MSU keeps all monies from the 2016 game and EMU for the 2020 game.

So probably in say 2018 we would have gotten 500K for not hosting MSU in 2020. But in 2016 we would have gotten zero dollars.

So we get, in a sense, 500K for the 2016 game collectible in say 2018....

Heather instead gets what 1.2M (I forgot the exact amount, might be 1.25M) in 2016. Plus a like amount for the other Missouri game. A total of 2.5M.

Might also add, EMU can use those future contract revenues as pledge (collateral) to borrow monies for facilities improvements (that was done for the initial install of FieldTurf). FB improvements like lights, scoreboard, press box, etc. are big ticket items which can't be paid for out of a single year's budget. EMU athletics doesn't have capital reserves where they may hold a few millions for these big items.

One area that CC is a great improvement is how the program is MANAGED-whether its social media presence, camps etc. Items like E Tough, the Factory and Close the Gap are attempting to establish a EMU brand. Its true marketing and frankly its pretty creative.

Yeah I know when it comes to football its a show me the improvement but what sticks in my crawl is the criticism (and you know who you are) from people on this board who don't purchase a ticket, don't attend games, don't donate a single dollar to the athletics department and then expect things to change and don't have a single positive thing to say about ANY EMU sport or the overall program.

There is a lot of progress being made in the OVERALL EMU athletic program measured in as many ways as you want to measure it.

In terms of character or hard work CC is a class act as far as I am concerned. He's doing a lot of the right things for the program. I really hopes it pays off for him, his staff, the players, the fans and EMU.

(07-29-2015 10:19 PM)vannzee Wrote:  Here is a quick list of MAC schools who are playing, have played or are scheduled to play a power five school (or a marquee group of five school) at home:



2015- Pitt @ Akron
2015- MSU @ WMU
2015- Oklahoma State @ CMU (Hosted Syracuse last year)
2015- Marshall @ Kent (not power 5 but still better than any non conference EMU home game)
2015- Iowa State @ Toledo (in the past have hosted Missouri, Arizona and Boise State)
2016- UConn @ UMass
2016- Mississippi State @ UMass
2016- Fresno State @ Toledo
2017- Iowa State @ Akron
2017- Kansas @ Ohio
2017- USF @ NIU
2017- Boston College @ NIU
2018- Kansas @ CMU
2018- Utah @ NIU
2018- Maryland @ BGSU (Who hosted IU last year)
2018- The U @ Toledo
2019- Indiana @ Ball State
2019- BYU @ Toledo
2020- Cincinnati @ Ohio
2020- BYU @ NIU
2021- Maryland @ NIU
2022- Vanderbilt @ NIU
Miami of Ohio has a rivalry yearly with Cincinnati
Buffalo hosted Baylor last year

Eastern’s scheduled non-conference home games: Old Dominion, Army, Wyoming, Charlotte

Are you telling me that every MAC school other than EMU is doing scheduling wrong, whereas Eastern is getting it right?

Great post!

(07-30-2015 07:19 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:19 PM)vannzee Wrote:  Here is a quick list of MAC schools who are playing, have played or are scheduled to play a power five school (or a marquee group of five school) at home:



2015- Pitt @ Akron
2015- MSU @ WMU
2015- Oklahoma State @ CMU (Hosted Syracuse last year)
2015- Marshall @ Kent (not power 5 but still better than any non conference EMU home game)
2015- Iowa State @ Toledo (in the past have hosted Missouri, Arizona and Boise State)
2016- UConn @ UMass
2016- Mississippi State @ UMass
2016- Fresno State @ Toledo
2017- Iowa State @ Akron
2017- Kansas @ Ohio
2017- USF @ NIU
2017- Boston College @ NIU
2018- Kansas @ CMU
2018- Utah @ NIU
2018- Maryland @ BGSU (Who hosted IU last year)
2018- The U @ Toledo
2019- Indiana @ Ball State
2019- BYU @ Toledo
2020- Cincinnati @ Ohio
2020- BYU @ NIU
2021- Maryland @ NIU
2022- Vanderbilt @ NIU
Miami of Ohio has a rivalry yearly with Cincinnati
Buffalo hosted Baylor last year

Eastern’s scheduled non-conference home games: Old Dominion, Army, Wyoming, Charlotte

Are you telling me that every MAC school other than EMU is doing scheduling wrong, whereas Eastern is getting it right?

Great post!

I'm not surprised but at least EMU's non conference is all now FBS.

(07-30-2015 07:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 07:19 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:19 PM)vannzee Wrote:  Here is a quick list of MAC schools who are playing, have played or are scheduled to play a power five school (or a marquee group of five school) at home:



2015- Pitt @ Akron
2015- MSU @ WMU
2015- Oklahoma State @ CMU (Hosted Syracuse last year)
2015- Marshall @ Kent (not power 5 but still better than any non conference EMU home game)
2015- Iowa State @ Toledo (in the past have hosted Missouri, Arizona and Boise State)
2016- UConn @ UMass
2016- Mississippi State @ UMass
2016- Fresno State @ Toledo
2017- Iowa State @ Akron
2017- Kansas @ Ohio
2017- USF @ NIU
2017- Boston College @ NIU
2018- Kansas @ CMU
2018- Utah @ NIU
2018- Maryland @ BGSU (Who hosted IU last year)
2018- The U @ Toledo
2019- Indiana @ Ball State
2019- BYU @ Toledo
2020- Cincinnati @ Ohio
2020- BYU @ NIU
2021- Maryland @ NIU
2022- Vanderbilt @ NIU
Miami of Ohio has a rivalry yearly with Cincinnati
Buffalo hosted Baylor last year

Eastern’s scheduled non-conference home games: Old Dominion, Army, Wyoming, Charlotte

Are you telling me that every MAC school other than EMU is doing scheduling wrong, whereas Eastern is getting it right?

Great post!

I'm not surprised but at least EMU's non conference is all now FBS.

I don't know where the other MAC schools get their money, but we all know EMU can't afford to pay for the big schools to come here. Then if the games were here attendance would be lacking. I remember when South Carolina came here and the crowd was embarrassing. In addition SC blogs were insulting. Then, of course, we get thumped and the nay sayers would be yelping all over the place. So I believe that we need to walk before we run. At least when we play the biggies away we get paid for the games and loyal fans don't have to pay to witness it.

A lot of the scheduling agreements I posted are part of a two for one deal. We play you twice at your place and you come here once type of thing or where there's some sort of scheduling agreement between sports. You have to get creative in a sense to make these things happen but other schools are making it work, so it seems interesting that EMU is the only one who can't.

Also, regardless of the terms of the contract, it is a shame that out of the MSU in state contract EMU is the only one who didn't get to host.

(07-30-2015 08:58 AM)Huron 61 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 07:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 07:19 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:19 PM)vannzee Wrote:  Here is a quick list of MAC schools who are playing, have played or are scheduled to play a power five school (or a marquee group of five school) at home:



2015- Pitt @ Akron
2015- MSU @ WMU
2015- Oklahoma State @ CMU (Hosted Syracuse last year)
2015- Marshall @ Kent (not power 5 but still better than any non conference EMU home game)
2015- Iowa State @ Toledo (in the past have hosted Missouri, Arizona and Boise State)
2016- UConn @ UMass
2016- Mississippi State @ UMass
2016- Fresno State @ Toledo
2017- Iowa State @ Akron
2017- Kansas @ Ohio
2017- USF @ NIU
2017- Boston College @ NIU
2018- Kansas @ CMU
2018- Utah @ NIU
2018- Maryland @ BGSU (Who hosted IU last year)
2018- The U @ Toledo
2019- Indiana @ Ball State
2019- BYU @ Toledo
2020- Cincinnati @ Ohio
2020- BYU @ NIU
2021- Maryland @ NIU
2022- Vanderbilt @ NIU
Miami of Ohio has a rivalry yearly with Cincinnati
Buffalo hosted Baylor last year

Eastern’s scheduled non-conference home games: Old Dominion, Army, Wyoming, Charlotte

Are you telling me that every MAC school other than EMU is doing scheduling wrong, whereas Eastern is getting it right?

Great post!

I'm not surprised but at least EMU's non conference is all now FBS.

I don't know where the other MAC schools get their money, but we all know EMU can't afford to pay for the big schools to come here. Then if the games were here attendance would be lacking. I remember when South Carolina came here and the crowd was embarrassing. In addition SC blogs were insulting. Then, of course, we get thumped and the nay sayers would be yelping all over the place. So I believe that we need to walk before we run. At least when we play the biggies away we get paid for the games and loyal fans don't have to pay to witness it.

I agree. I remember when Maryland played at Rynearson, at night, and the Washington Post story was not kind.

Mentioned a cold, drab, dark, concrete stadium devoid of fans... Might have also mentioned a bad sound system which echoed (like being in an echo chamber).

Our facilities (as well as the team) need to get much, much better.

New lights and a 2-3M scoreboard would be a good place to start... And then a new press box/suites.

I have to believe that Dr. Martin's resignation stalled plans for Rynearson upgrades. I guess they will now be on the new president's shovel. And who knows how long that will take? Did we lose a year? Set thing back a whole year?????

(07-29-2015 10:39 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:22 PM)vannzee Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:06 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear 2Intense.
The 2015 Football Media Guide is out. Hunter Matt is not shown as one of the players, so he must be off the team.

Michael Reghi mentioned him today and CC did not correct him, for whatever that may be worth

I'm still confused about this. He's been working out with the team throughout the summer.

A person not part of the team probably wouldn't be allowed to participate and use facilities during team workouts, correct?

Not sure what the deal is. He's still participating in the workouts and conditioning but not on-field OTA's but as far as I know is not eligible to play this season.

BTW, do you know if the have released the Electronic Media Guides yet (PDF)?

I find it odd that if he's not on the roster that CC wouldn't have corrected Reghi during media day at the mention of Hunter. Maybe it's an academics issue if he is at school and working out away from the team?

(07-30-2015 09:50 AM)2Intense Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:39 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:22 PM)vannzee Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 10:06 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear 2Intense.
The 2015 Football Media Guide is out. Hunter Matt is not shown as one of the players, so he must be off the team.

Michael Reghi mentioned him today and CC did not correct him, for whatever that may be worth

I'm still confused about this. He's been working out with the team throughout the summer.

A person not part of the team probably wouldn't be allowed to participate and use facilities during team workouts, correct?

BTW, do you know if the have released the Electronic Media Guides yet (PDF)?

I viewed the PDF last night online

(07-30-2015 10:56 AM)vannzee Wrote:  I find it odd that if he's not on the roster that CC wouldn't have corrected Reghi during media day at the mention of Hunter. Maybe it's an academics issue if he is at school and working out away from the team?

Yes I believe he may have been taking a summer class and maybe things didn't go as planned (ie grades).

(07-30-2015 12:04 AM)vannzee Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 11:33 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear vannzee,
After Central and Western play their wonderful games against Oklahoma State and Michigan State, they have no one of importance for years after that. Your original point was about Central and Western just beating the crap out of Eastern in scheduling. Now you have switched to the entire MAC for scheduling. Which is it?
How's that school in Ann Arbor doing for scheduling powerhouse non-league games? Not so hot.
I don't care whether you show up for any of Eastern's home games, because you will most likely be in Ann Arbor anyway. We on this board can accept criticism and the truth, but the season has not even started and all of a sudden you blast Eastern with your Bob Wickersham logic. Maybe you should wait to see how this season unfolds. Then we can see what there is to talk about.

Michigan is a different standard. If Michigan scheduled the likes of Army, Old Dominion and Wyoming the locals would revolt, there's a huge difference between Michigan's scheduling needs and that of a MAC school.

Michigan is playing Army in 2019.

(07-30-2015 11:34 AM)utpotts Wrote:  

(07-30-2015 12:04 AM)vannzee Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 11:33 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear vannzee,
After Central and Western play their wonderful games against Oklahoma State and Michigan State, they have no one of importance for years after that. Your original point was about Central and Western just beating the crap out of Eastern in scheduling. Now you have switched to the entire MAC for scheduling. Which is it?
How's that school in Ann Arbor doing for scheduling powerhouse non-league games? Not so hot.
I don't care whether you show up for any of Eastern's home games, because you will most likely be in Ann Arbor anyway. We on this board can accept criticism and the truth, but the season has not even started and all of a sudden you blast Eastern with your Bob Wickersham logic. Maybe you should wait to see how this season unfolds. Then we can see what there is to talk about.

Michigan is a different standard. If Michigan scheduled the likes of Army, Old Dominion and Wyoming the locals would revolt, there's a huge difference between Michigan's scheduling needs and that of a MAC school.

Michigan is playing Army in 2019.

But that is not their marque non conference game. That is only their tune up opener.

Dear vannzee,
It appears as if you want it both ways in this argument of scheduling. To go along with utpotts, this year Michigan has as home non-leaguers, Oregon State, UNLV, BYU, next year, Hawaii, University of Central Florida, Colorado, next, Arkansas, Air Force, Ball State, and Army. So for the next few years, Michigan is not exactly scheduling college powerhouses in Football. I will give you Arkansas, and maybe BYU, but the rest are not what anyone would consider as great home non-league games. Fans just wanting to pay top dollar to see these teams.

Dear emu steve,
Checked the Media Guide, and as I remembered, there were 19,600 fans at the game, not a sellout, but certainly not devoid of fans as the Washington Post described. And I don't remember the sound system being bad, but when you are reporting for Maryland, what can one expect?
I do agree that we need better lights and scoreboard.

(07-30-2015 02:43 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear emu steve,
Checked the Media Guide, and as I remembered, there were 19,600 fans at the game, not a sellout, but certainly not devoid of fans as the Washington Post described. And I don't remember the sound system being bad, but when you are reporting for Maryland, what can one expect?
I do agree that we need better lights and scoreboard.

I wasn't there but maybe neither were half of the 19,600 either.

(07-29-2015 10:40 PM)vannzee Wrote:  

(07-29-2015 09:09 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Bob,
When do you ever respond to what has been written? You go off on your own tangent which has nothing to do with what I have written. Does Coach Fleck have one more season than Coach Creighton in building a record? What about recruiting? What's in the past is over. Crow all you want about Eastern getting beaten by Western last year. What happened the three years before that? I guess it is better to lose to a big time opponent with 30,000 fans in the stands than 3,000. Where's that logic???????

I dont understand this logic. Yes, I am aware the Creighton has less time on the job then Fleck does and yes I understand that recruiting rankings do not mean victories. I do feel that the ratings can be used as a barometer of a program. When a school like Western or any MAC school gets a top 50 ranking then that says something.

Scheduling a major opponent at home could result in a loss but has so many other advantages. One, it boosts tickets sales which is the life blood of any program. Having a marque opponent at home gives fans more reason to buy tickets, both season or single game. It also draws in the casual fan, which grows a program. I know that I am not going to be going out trying to get Old Dominion or Army tickets, if I go I will get tickets the day of the game. You would certainly see more students at the game, as it stands now if you are on campus on a fall Saturday you may not even notice that there is a game. It can also attract more tourism dollars to the surrounding communities.

Central and Western will have their games against Oklahoma State and MSU on national TV which is great for exposure and can be used in recruiting. People across the country will be seeing the Bronco and Chippewa' brands. I think recruits would rather see a MAC school host and lose to a power five team then they would rather see a victory over a FCS school.

Great, we have "the factory" which can be part of our identity but what is the use of it if we don't bring buzz worthy teams into it?

I may get blasted for this but in terms of football, Eastern is by far the most irreverent directional school in the state.

I feel like sometimes as fans, much like in politics, we get blinded by our fandom to accept that others may be better in any fashion.

You’re right. We Eagles are natural scorners of all things serious.

Oh, you meant irrelevant. Never mind.

(07-29-2015 11:33 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear vannzee,
After Central and Western play their wonderful games against Oklahoma State and Michigan State, they have no one of importance for years after that. Your original point was about Central and Western just beating the crap out of Eastern in scheduling. Now you have switched to the entire MAC for scheduling. Which is it?
How's that school in Ann Arbor doing for scheduling powerhouse non-league games? Not so hot.
I don't care whether you show up for any of Eastern's home games, because you will most likely be in Ann Arbor anyway. We on this board can accept criticism and the truth, but the season has not even started and all of a sudden you blast Eastern with your Bob Wickersham logic. Maybe you should wait to see how this season unfolds. Then we can see what there is to talk about.

UM has in future years these teams: UCLA, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Washington. All but UF are home-and-homes.

(07-30-2015 03:44 PM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  [quote='vannzee' pid='12236728' dateline='1438227620']
[quote='Ken Barna' pid='12236548'

You’re right. We Eagles are natural scorners of all things serious.

Oh, you meant irrelevant. Never mind.

Not that it matters but that was an auto correct fail on my part.

(07-30-2015 10:56 AM)vannzee Wrote:  I find it odd that if he's not on the roster that CC wouldn't have corrected Reghi during media day at the mention of Hunter. Maybe it's an academics issue if he is at school and working out away from the team?

Quote from the M-Live article...

Hunter Matt out for 2015 -- Creighton declined to give an explanation behind the junior linebacker's status other than to say, "he is not going to be able to be with us this season. We still hope he will be part of the program in the future."

Full Article:

http://www.mlive.com/eagles/index.ssf/20...cart_river