Quote:Dear JMU2004.
Know what you talk about. Our history is not of horrible attendance. Recently, yes, but before this time we had many sellouts in our stadium. There will be a turn around with our record as well.

Dear Kenneth,

EMU has had really bad attendance. Last year they overinflated it on purpose (see Pepsi cans), to hit the "mark" of needed attendance within X amount of years to qualify, even though a team could likely get past that. But probably doing that for the possibility that FBS/D1A football may change and doesn't want to risk anything.

Quote:The NCAA Division I manual states that a member of the Football Bowl Subdivision, like CMU, must average at least 15,000 in actual or paid attendance for all home football games on a two-year rolling basis.

The year before last, EMU had a more real #, and I think they're doing that this year. I could believe that students/parents who were there Before the game due to festivities and whatnot weren't counted and it was a little higher than 'counted' amount. That Would be surprising though, as EMU after last year was the poster-child for inflated numbers.

Quote:• 2012: 2-10 | 3,923
• 2011: 6-6 | 4,267
• 2010: 2-10 | 15,885
• 2009: 0-12 | 5,016
• 2008: 3-9 | 18,951
• 2007: 4-8 | 7,448
• 2006: 1-11 | 14,734
• 2005: 4-7 | 5,219
• 2004: 4-7 | 16,060
• 2003: 3-9 | 11,258
• 2002: 3-9 | 5,000

Which ones are real, and which ones are inflated? I understand though -- EMU isn't the only place to inflate on certain years. But just saying. And I think this covers "recent times", going back 13 years.

Dear toddjnsn,
It doesn't matter if a corporation pays for tickets that are not used. That can be counted as your attendance. Any school can do it. Even U-M was counting seats sold, but not people in actual attendance last year to continue their claims of 100,000 per home game. These constant statements about Eastern's attendance is really getting old. Do you have to constantly talk about it to pump up your own ego, school, etc.? Get a life.

I think the new normal attendance goal for MAC schools should be 15,000 with an understanding that a game here and there might push 30,000 but more often than not games will have 10,000 in attendance.

Nothing being done by MAC schools is altering the above reality.

I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Sounds like JMU could have had a Sun Belt invite. They should have gone for that.

(09-08-2015 09:58 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Sounds like JMU could have had a Sun Belt invite. They should have gone for that.

Obviously, they're not interested in the Sun Belt. The MAC is a better fit for JMU.

(09-08-2015 09:58 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Sounds like JMU could have had a Sun Belt invite. They should have gone for that.

Tell me about it .

(09-08-2015 09:52 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

It was a season opener. You think anyone at JMU gives a poop about Morehead State? Didn't stop 22k from showing for a non-scholly team....a far less attractive opponent than ODU.



OK, rant over. I'm going to go be bitter on our boards. Sorry for the outburst.

Would Boise give Yipsi a chance? I could see those games having much different attendance.

(09-08-2015 09:52 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

No, ODU is not at all what you could call an attractive OOC opponent within the MAC footprint.

I would understand how it could be for JMU but that is just because of the close distance.

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

ODU is an "attractive FBS opponent"? Not even close. Zero FBS history and unless a school has some particular history with them, they are about as generic an FBS opponent you could find. Why would anyone outside ODU's area find them to be an interesting draw? And I would say the same about MAC schools playing OOC games on the road, too. If you aren't part of the national conversation or have some kind of connection to the home team, you are a generic opponent. ODU is no draw at all in the Midwest.

(09-08-2015 11:01 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

No, ODU is not at all what you could call an attractive OOC opponent within the MAC footprint.

I would understand how it could be for JMU but that is just because of the close distance.

My point is that it wasn't some poor FCS team, like years past. Morgan St last year had 3k more. Howard had 1500 more in 2013. ODU, a Mid-Atlantic FBS team should be a more attractive opponent than either of those horrible Mid-Atlantic FCS teams.

I get that ODU isn't a marquee draw.

(09-08-2015 10:31 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Would Boise give Yipsi a chance? I could see those games having much different attendance.

(09-08-2015 09:52 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

Not sure but it'd be interesting to see Boise play on a colored field that isn't theirs.

(09-08-2015 01:24 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 10:31 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Would Boise give Yipsi a chance? I could see those games having much different attendance.

(09-08-2015 09:52 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

Not sure but it'd be interesting to see Boise play on a colored field that isn't theirs.

Yea and if they did, you guys should wear grey uniforms so you blend in, like they do on their turf.

(09-08-2015 01:38 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 01:24 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 10:31 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  Would Boise give Yipsi a chance? I could see those games having much different attendance.

(09-08-2015 09:52 AM)DexterDevil Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Counted is the key word, there was at least 10k in attendance total. ODU isn't a "fairly attractive" FBS OOC opponent as no one up here even knew who ODU was even after facing them last year. As much as I've enjoyed the ODU fans this past week, it isn't a team that I have a need to see. Marshall, Boise State, BYU, East Carolina are fairly attractive OOC opponents.

Not sure but it'd be interesting to see Boise play on a colored field that isn't theirs.

Yea and if they did, you guys should wear grey uniforms so you blend in, like they do on their turf.

Gotta admit, that would be pretty cool.

(09-08-2015 11:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:01 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

No, ODU is not at all what you could call an attractive OOC opponent within the MAC footprint.

I would understand how it could be for JMU but that is just because of the close distance.

My point is that it wasn't some poor FCS team, like years past. Morgan St last year had 3k more. Howard had 1500 more in 2013. ODU, a Mid-Atlantic FBS team should be a more attractive opponent than either of those horrible Mid-Atlantic FCS teams.

I get that ODU isn't a marquee draw.

I doubt many people even know ODU is FBS. Of course, there are still a lot of people that don't know the MAC is a FBS conference.

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

Good Lord, one game in and we are dealing with this tired crap already? Not debatable? Gee, thanks for trying to shut down debate on the MAC board over some intentionally tossed flame bait.

Old Dominion is probably better known as a trucking company in these parts than an FBS school. Or maybe it's a Canadian lager?

(09-08-2015 11:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 11:01 AM)HuskieJohn Wrote:  

(09-08-2015 09:26 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'm sorry. It isn't a debatable topic.

EMU had by far the worst attendance in counted FBS last weekend. It was a fairly attractive FBS OOC opponent.

And yea, I'm bitter that JMU can't beg a MAC invite.

No, ODU is not at all what you could call an attractive OOC opponent within the MAC footprint.

I would understand how it could be for JMU but that is just because of the close distance.

My point is that it wasn't some poor FCS team, like years past.

But for college football fans in Michigan, they might as well be.

As far as the MAC invite, speculation is that JMU had a contingent one, if UMass had elected to go all-sports in the MAC ... its just that the contingency was highly unlikely.

Mind, if a compelling add comes along and JMU is reasonable 14th, then JMU may well get that invite.

To get back on topic of how to improve attendance, how about midget marching bands?