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(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

Lord, I hope so.

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

Time will tell, but it will be an important class.

(07-31-2017 01:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

What offers on ESPN's offer list are way above us? No reported offers from Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, or UCLA... the "highest profile" offers so far are probably UL and Arizona. Arizona is great and all, but I believe our classes should be built on 4 star players like Little. I don't think any of those schools are way above us as a program, just way above Mick's recruiting. If that's what you mean, I agree.

(07-31-2017 03:52 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

What offers on ESPN's offer list are way above us? No reported offers from Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, or UCLA... the "highest profile" offers so far are probably UL and Arizona. Arizona is great and all, but I believe our classes should be built on 4 star players like Little. I don't think any of those schools are way above us as a program, just way above Mick's recruiting. If that's what you mean, I agree.

I would say both Arizona and UL are well above us. Arizona has as many Sweet Sixteen appearances as we have NCAA appearances since 2010 and UL has a NC and 2 Final Fours in that same time...on top of the fact that both have more national air time, play and practice in better arenas and facilities, are consistently ranked in the Top 10-20 teams year in and year out, are coached by a legend and someone who is well on the way to becoming one, and pump more money into their program in any given year than we make in a decade.

(07-31-2017 03:58 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:52 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

What offers on ESPN's offer list are way above us? No reported offers from Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, or UCLA... the "highest profile" offers so far are probably UL and Arizona. Arizona is great and all, but I believe our classes should be built on 4 star players like Little. I don't think any of those schools are way above us as a program, just way above Mick's recruiting. If that's what you mean, I agree.

I would say both Arizona and UL are well above us. Arizona has as many Sweet Sixteen appearances as we have NCAA appearances since 2010 and UL has a NC and 2 Final Fours in that same time...on top of the fact that both have more national air time, play and practice in better arenas and facilities, are consistently ranked in the Top 10-20 teams year in and year out, are coached by a legend and someone who is well on the way to becoming one, and pump more money into their program in any given year than we make in a decade.

I appreciate your reasoning, but I'll never refer to UL as being better than us. Not because they don't have a better conference, better talent, better coach, better facilities, more wins, and more money than us (because they do), but because they only got there using hookers and dropping academics to high school levels... among other despicable things. In other words, they won by cheating.

For example, a cheater might win a race against their peers, but until they win without cheating, I wouldn't call them "better." Right now, UL is the winner and we are the loser, but I'll never say that they are better than us.

My apologies, but I guess it's just a pride and integrity thing for me which is irrelevant to our conversation about recruiting. Recruits obviously don't care about cheating, they want to be with a winner. That's all that matters I guess.

Also, Louisville sucks.

Arizona and UL are above us and have been for longy-longy time. And its not even that close.

(07-31-2017 06:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Arizona and UL are above us and have been for longy-longy time. And its not even that close.

If someone says that big-time programs are competing with us for a recruit, I think our reaction should be, "ok, bring 'em on!" instead of "oh well, we have no chance against them."

That's a Tuberville mentality. I hope Fickell can remind us that we should go toe-to-toe against anyone, with no fear at all, and I hope that mentality carries over to basketball as well.

(07-31-2017 05:25 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:58 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:52 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

What offers on ESPN's offer list are way above us? No reported offers from Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, or UCLA... the "highest profile" offers so far are probably UL and Arizona. Arizona is great and all, but I believe our classes should be built on 4 star players like Little. I don't think any of those schools are way above us as a program, just way above Mick's recruiting. If that's what you mean, I agree.

I would say both Arizona and UL are well above us. Arizona has as many Sweet Sixteen appearances as we have NCAA appearances since 2010 and UL has a NC and 2 Final Fours in that same time...on top of the fact that both have more national air time, play and practice in better arenas and facilities, are consistently ranked in the Top 10-20 teams year in and year out, are coached by a legend and someone who is well on the way to becoming one, and pump more money into their program in any given year than we make in a decade.

I appreciate your reasoning, but I'll never refer to UL as being better than us. Not because they don't have a better conference, better talent, better coach, better facilities, more wins, and more money than us (because they do), but because they only got there using hookers and dropping academics to high school levels... among other despicable things. In other words, they won by cheating.

For example, a cheater might win a race against their peers, but until they win without cheating, I wouldn't call them "better." Right now, UL is the winner and we are the loser, but I'll never say that they are better than us.

My apologies, but I guess it's just a pride and integrity thing for me which is irrelevant to our conversation about recruiting. Recruits obviously don't care about cheating, they want to be with a winner. That's all that matters I guess.

Also, Louisville sucks.

Couldn't agree more... unfortunately we're not starstruck 17 and 18 year olds who don't mind risking a burning urethra for a national championship

(07-31-2017 06:53 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Arizona and UL are above us and have been for longy-longy time. And its not even that close.

In other news, water is wet.

Arizona and Louisville are without a doubt above us in the recruiting pecking order. That wasn't the case in the '90s, but it is now. No, that doesn't mean we should give up on highly-ranked recruits or make a bunch of excuses for Mick. But in the here and now, those programs are well ahead of us.

BearcatMan Wrote:  Couldn't agree more... unfortunately we're not starstruck 17 and 18 year olds who don't mind risking a burning urethra for a national championship

Ouch!

(07-31-2017 11:30 AM)dsquare Wrote:  It's early, but based on these offers Mick seems to be shooting for higher rated guys maybe with the new arena?

http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/...age/offers

I'm all in for the new arena. My belief has been that the impact on recruiting will be marginal at best under this coaching staff. I believe Mick knows the type of players he wants and will continue to recruit to fit his system. One which yields very good results, but not conference championships or deep tournament runs.

(07-31-2017 05:25 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:58 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 03:52 PM)TubaCat Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 01:27 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(07-31-2017 11:56 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  I dont think we are actually in with any of those guys

Yeah, and that's a pretty typical offer list for Mick if you look at his last few years. Little is a prototypical Mick guy (tremendous motor, athleticism, and versatility but average at best shooter), but he's way above us already on offer list alone.

What offers on ESPN's offer list are way above us? No reported offers from Duke, Kansas, UK, UNC, or UCLA... the "highest profile" offers so far are probably UL and Arizona. Arizona is great and all, but I believe our classes should be built on 4 star players like Little. I don't think any of those schools are way above us as a program, just way above Mick's recruiting. If that's what you mean, I agree.

I would say both Arizona and UL are well above us. Arizona has as many Sweet Sixteen appearances as we have NCAA appearances since 2010 and UL has a NC and 2 Final Fours in that same time...on top of the fact that both have more national air time, play and practice in better arenas and facilities, are consistently ranked in the Top 10-20 teams year in and year out, are coached by a legend and someone who is well on the way to becoming one, and pump more money into their program in any given year than we make in a decade.

I appreciate your reasoning, but I'll never refer to UL as being better than us. Not because they don't have a better conference, better talent, better coach, better facilities, more wins, and more money than us (because they do), but because they only got there using hookers and dropping academics to high school levels... among other despicable things. In other words, they won by cheating.

For example, a cheater might win a race against their peers, but until they win without cheating, I wouldn't call them "better." Right now, UL is the winner and we are the loser, but I'll never say that they are better than us.

My apologies, but I guess it's just a pride and integrity thing for me which is irrelevant to our conversation about recruiting. Recruits obviously don't care about cheating, they want to be with a winner. That's all that matters I guess.

Also, Louisville sucks.

Welcome to college athletics.

Most programs cheat. NCAA, media, and society do not care as long as the program is a protected sacred cow. UofL is in the club. If you can molest boys at PSU in the name of fball, commit flagrant academic fraud at UNC in the name of athletics, or consistently commit infractions/arrests in the name of football at The U and no punishment is doled out, why would you not cheat/buy hookers for recruits?

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/...3885512704

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...don-clarke

(08-23-2017 12:37 PM)dave416 Wrote:  https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/...3885512704

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...don-clarke

Averaged 17.5 a game last year as a sophomore. That'd be a hell of a pick up for us to replace Clark. He'd presumably come in as a red shirt junior with 2 years left.

A guy that shoots better from the field than from the free throw line. Another in a long history of UC big men that can't shoot free throws. Kyle Washington is likely the best free throw shooter among big men that we've had, and he's not been great either.

(08-23-2017 04:45 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  A guy that shoots better from the field than from the free throw line. Another in a long history of UC big men that can't shoot free throws. Kyle Washington is likely the best free throw shooter among big men that we've had, and he's not been great either.

that's not that important is it?

Almost 9 boards and 2.6 blocks per game too. I don't know anything about the guy though. Has anyone here seen him play?

Hard to get too excited with a dozen schools listed, apparently in no particular order.

There will be some big shoes (literally) to fill next fall that will require some outstanding freshmen or transfers to sustain the kind of success we all expect this team to deliver this season. Is UC in the hunt for such players? I'll defer to our recruiting experts.