Well Moore looks to be a classic case study. Some think he's a prime example of how poor our recruiting has become. Others think Mick simply has a knack for seeing talent way before others. Of course, there's a lot of room in between, but if I'm picking one or the other I'll put my trust in Mick. I expect Moore to ultimately become a legit player in the rotation at a minimum. Welcome Trevor!

(06-30-2016 05:26 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  This is true. I'm pretty sure he said he had major questions about taking Jenifer and maybe Quadri Moore as well. If Chad says he can play then I feel pretty good about the commit.

Thanks Matt. If I spent months on the road every year evaluating these kids and wasn't honest in my opinions with the fan base, it comes directly back on me and my credibility. That's something that means almost nothing to a national guy, and most of the time when I'm watching a game I am directly focused on the kid UC is recruiting.

I think a bunch of schools are going to question how they missed on Trevor Moore when all is said and done. He has his limitations, but the kid can really shoot, has a solid frame and is just turning 17 on Sunday. Are they taking a bit of a chance on his one specific skill making him a weapon? No question. Do I think he has the ability to do it at a very high level? Yup. If I'm wrong, my name is clearly on it...

(06-30-2016 05:22 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  Staff was looking for a bigger wing that could shoot at a high level. They landed the best shooter on the UA circuit. Mission accomplished...

I love reading that!

(06-30-2016 11:26 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:26 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  This is true. I'm pretty sure he said he had major questions about taking Jenifer and maybe Quadri Moore as well. If Chad says he can play then I feel pretty good about the commit.

Thanks Matt. If I spent months on the road every year evaluating these kids and wasn't honest in my opinions with the fan base, it comes directly back on me and my credibility. That's something that means almost nothing to a national guy, and most of the time when I'm watching a game I am directly focused on the kid UC is recruiting.

I think a bunch of schools are going to question how they missed on Trevor Moore when all is said and done. He has his limitations, but the kid can really shoot, has a solid frame and is just turning 17 on Sunday. Are they taking a bit of a chance on his one specific skill making him a weapon? No question. Do I think he has the ability to do it at a very high level? Yup. If I'm wrong, my name is clearly on it...

Can he sign in the ESP?

(06-30-2016 11:26 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 05:26 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  This is true. I'm pretty sure he said he had major questions about taking Jenifer and maybe Quadri Moore as well. If Chad says he can play then I feel pretty good about the commit.

Thanks Matt. If I spent months on the road every year evaluating these kids and wasn't honest in my opinions with the fan base, it comes directly back on me and my credibility. That's something that means almost nothing to a national guy, and most of the time when I'm watching a game I am directly focused on the kid UC is recruiting.

I think a bunch of schools are going to question how they missed on Trevor Moore when all is said and done. He has his limitations, but the kid can really shoot, has a solid frame and is just turning 17 on Sunday. Are they taking a bit of a chance on his one specific skill making him a weapon? No question. Do I think he has the ability to do it at a very high level? Yup. If I'm wrong, my name is clearly on it...

do you see him ending up as middle of the pack 3* or higher once he gets a profile?

At the end of the day UC will never get back to the level it was under Huggins until we start getting the type of players we had under Huggins (highly rated, highly recruited). That's just reality. You want to be a national power, you have to have the horses, not a team full of 'projects' and 'under radar' guys. A team with projects and under radar guys can, with a good coach come together and have a miracle season once in a while but most years, a team like that isn't going to be a national player. I don't think we can blame the AAC either. You can be a great program in a lessor conference in hoops, we all know that (see Gonzaga, Wichita State, Butler pre Big East, yada yada yada).

I hope this kid comes in here and is a solid contributor. But at the end of the day, it seems like its the same thing over and over with this staff: we find ourselves saying/hoping that Mick has repeatedly found that diamond in the rough. I'd rather have a coach that can just go out and recruit the diamond. Huggins did and was doing it in conferences like the Metro and Great Midwest. No more excuses for Mick.

Hopefully the revamped Shoe will help recruiting. I will give Mick that. He has had to recruit with crud facilities. So I'm willing to give him a recruiting cycle or two with the new Shoe (and most likely B12 conference affiliation). If he can't get it done then, I'm done with him.

(07-02-2016 05:45 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  At the end of the day UC will never get back to the level it was under Huggins until we start getting the type of players we had under Huggins (highly rated, highly recruited). That's just reality. You want to be a national power, you have to have the horses, not a team full of 'projects' and 'under radar' guys. A team with projects and under radar guys can, with a good coach come together and have a miracle season once in a while but most years, a team like that isn't going to be a national player. I don't think we can blame the AAC either. You can be a great program in a lessor conference in hoops, we all know that (see Gonzaga, Wichita State, Butler pre Big East, yada yada yada).

I hope this kid comes in here and is a solid contributor. But at the end of the day, it seems like its the same thing over and over with this staff: we find ourselves saying/hoping that Mick has repeatedly found that diamond in the rough. I'd rather have a coach that can just go out and recruit the diamond. Huggins did and was doing it in conferences like the Metro and Great Midwest. No more excuses for Mick.

Hopefully the revamped Shoe will help recruiting. I will give Mick that. He has had to recruit with crud facilities. So I'm willing to give him a recruiting cycle or two with the new Shoe (and most likely B12 conference affiliation). If he can't get it done then, I'm done with him.

I don't recall huggs recruiting numerous 5 star players...wingfield...demarr Johnson ...maybe a few others I'm missing...flint originally committed to osu and ended up at UC ....he recruited a lot of jucos...but weren't most 3 star players?

(07-02-2016 01:03 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 05:45 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  At the end of the day UC will never get back to the level it was under Huggins until we start getting the type of players we had under Huggins (highly rated, highly recruited). That's just reality. You want to be a national power, you have to have the horses, not a team full of 'projects' and 'under radar' guys. A team with projects and under radar guys can, with a good coach come together and have a miracle season once in a while but most years, a team like that isn't going to be a national player. I don't think we can blame the AAC either. You can be a great program in a lessor conference in hoops, we all know that (see Gonzaga, Wichita State, Butler pre Big East, yada yada yada).

I hope this kid comes in here and is a solid contributor. But at the end of the day, it seems like its the same thing over and over with this staff: we find ourselves saying/hoping that Mick has repeatedly found that diamond in the rough. I'd rather have a coach that can just go out and recruit the diamond. Huggins did and was doing it in conferences like the Metro and Great Midwest. No more excuses for Mick.

Hopefully the revamped Shoe will help recruiting. I will give Mick that. He has had to recruit with crud facilities. So I'm willing to give him a recruiting cycle or two with the new Shoe (and most likely B12 conference affiliation). If he can't get it done then, I'm done with him.

I don't recall huggs recruiting numerous 5 star players...wingfield...demarr Johnson ...maybe a few others I'm missing...flint originally committed to osu and ended up at UC ....he recruited a lot of jucos...but weren't most 3 star players?

Not sure of their "star" rankings, but I'm starving to see talent come here on the level of JUCO's like Nick Van Exel, Corey Blount or Reuben Patterson.

I get it... I get it.. I am one of those old dudes who is stuck in the past.

(07-02-2016 01:03 PM)uchoops Wrote:  I don't recall huggs recruiting numerous 5 star players...wingfield...demarr Johnson ...maybe a few others I'm missing...flint originally committed to osu and ended up at UC ....he recruited a lot of jucos...but weren't most 3 star players?

Huggins regularly brought in highly rated players and quality classes, even when dealing with a lot of issues out of his control (conference affiliation, campus environment, etc.). Just going through Scout as far back as possible (2002), which would have been the "down years" of his UC career:

2002 had four 4-stars in Bobbit, Hicks, Moore and Kirkland.

2003 had 5-star Whaley (2-star in terms of effort and everything else not having to do with natural talent and ability) and 4-star Nick Williams.

2004 had 4-star Bright in a small class with 3-star Muhammad.

2005 had a number of 4 stars, most notably Downey.

(07-02-2016 01:41 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Not sure of their "star" rankings, but I'm starving to see talent come here on the level of JUCO's like Nick Van Exel, Corey Blount or Reuben Patterson

The JUCO ranks aren't what they used to be. Different recruiting world. Guys that couldn't enter college after HS now just prep a year.

(07-02-2016 02:02 PM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  

(07-02-2016 01:03 PM)uchoops Wrote:  I don't recall huggs recruiting numerous 5 star players...wingfield...demarr Johnson ...maybe a few others I'm missing...flint originally committed to osu and ended up at UC ....he recruited a lot of jucos...but weren't most 3 star players?

Huggins regularly brought in highly rated players and quality classes, even when dealing with a lot of issues out of his control (conference affiliation, campus environment, etc.). Just going through Scout as far back as possible (2002), which would have been the "down years" of his UC career:

2002 had four 4-stars in Bobbit, Hicks, Moore and Kirkland.

2003 had 5-star Whaley (2-star in terms of effort and everything else not having to do with natural talent and ability) and 4-star Nick Williams.

2004 had 4-star Bright in a small class with 3-star Muhammad.

2005 had a number of 4 stars, most notably Downey.

Huggins got Wingfield and Flint (both under pretty abnormal circumstances too) immediately after the Final 4/Elite 8 run, then Fortson the next year. Then in 2000 he added Satterfield and Dermarr. But otherwise, it was a lot of JUCO guys, transfers, underrated high school kids, and guys with baggage. Your examples there bear that out, I think.

Bobbit was a good JUCO known as a headcase (I loved him).
Hicks wasn't recruited by any of the North Carolina schools. He was undersized and not particularly highly rated.
Chadd Moore was one of the top players in the country as a freshman and sophomore in high school, but he'd fallen greatly out of favor.
Kirkland was a marginal recruit.
Nick Williams was a transfer, Rob Whaley untouchable by most schools. Roy Bright was a pretty good recruit, and Maxiell was too, so there were some in there, but most of the time Huggs was getting by with overlooked guys plus studs with blemishes.

(07-02-2016 03:24 PM)levydl Wrote:  Bobbit was a good JUCO known as a headcase (I loved him).
Hicks wasn't recruited by any of the North Carolina schools. He was undersized and not particularly highly rated.
Chadd Moore was one of the top players in the country as a freshman and sophomore in high school, but he'd fallen greatly out of favor.
Kirkland was a marginal recruit.
Nick Williams was a transfer, Rob Whaley untouchable by most schools. Roy Bright was a pretty good recruit, and Maxiell was too, so there were some in there, but most of the time Huggs was getting by with overlooked guys plus studs with blemishes.

Hicks had scholarship offers from a number of big-time programs. Just because he wasn't recruited by the likes of UNC and Duke isn't a big deal, as that can be said by almost everyone. After a quick use of Scout's database, he was ranked #44 in the country. Moore came in at #79 and I think most would agree that without his constant health programs, he'd have been a damn good PG.

If Kirkland is a marginal recruit, here's to hoping UC trades some of their marginal recruits for guys like him in the future.

Sidenote: It's a damn shame you couldn't put Moore's heart in other guys' bodies.

Chadd Moore was a true point guard. Once he got in Huggs' doghouse, he never quite lived up to expectations, but just about everyone in Huggs' tenure was in the doghouse at one time or another, including of course Whaley, Kirkland, Hicks and Bobbitt.

The biggest problem with Moore was his back injury. The injury was so severe that he was not going to play his senior year. He eventually decided to play and had a pretty good season with limited minutes. Hicks had an awesome jr and sr. year. Bobbitt was very streaky. Kirkland was below average imo. Whaley was a waste of scholarship. I thought that his presence created bad chemistry among the team.

Alex Reese named us in his top 5.


http://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Reese-80061

(08-11-2016 09:54 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  Alex Reese named us in his top 5.


http://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Reese-80061

How did we get on this guy. It does not look like there was any prior interest.

(08-12-2016 08:15 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:54 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  Alex Reese named us in his top 5.


http://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Reese-80061

How did we get on this guy. It does not look like there was any prior interest.

Definitely seems out of the blue. Maybe he decided he didn't want to play for a team that sits at the bottom of their respective conference standings every year? Good looking player too.

Gametime...any non-premium insight?

SEC schools almost always produce a high number of NBA prospects (certainly higher proportionally to their level of success). Avery Johnson is building something special at Alabama. Hope we can snag an instate talent away from an SEC program again (see Jacob Evans and LSU).

(08-12-2016 11:30 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(08-12-2016 08:15 AM)rosewater Wrote:  

(08-11-2016 09:54 PM)ThinkBigPine Wrote:  Alex Reese named us in his top 5.


http://247sports.com/Player/Alex-Reese-80061

How did we get on this guy. It does not look like there was any prior interest.

Definitely seems out of the blue. Maybe he decided he didn't want to play for a team that sits at the bottom of their respective conference standings every year? Good looking player too.

Gametime...any non-premium insight?

He's also from Alabama, which probably explains UAB.

(08-12-2016 11:49 AM)a cat but also a bear Wrote:  SEC schools almost always produce a high number of NBA prospects (certainly higher proportionally to their level of success). Avery Johnson is building something special at Alabama. Hope we can snag an instate talent away from an SEC program again (see Jacob Evans and LSU).

not hard to do...most SEC teams in hoops not named UK suck ballz

there was a reason the Big East bludgeoned the SEC in the Big East/SEC "Challenge" every year...