(07-08-2015 09:29 PM)Fredo Wrote:  

(07-07-2015 03:48 AM)MJG Wrote:  This poll probably has about the same breakdown as one for us and NMSU getting invited.

I would think it would be different. I cannot see a permanent place for the Vandals in the SunBelt.

I don't think permanent but the question is at least one extension .
I think that happens if not more because willing candidates need time.

JMU and Missouri St are slam dunk candidates but have to be convinced .
Every other candidate has issues or needs time .
NMSU snd Idaho bring CFP money that is equal to the media contract.
Kicking them out does not make sense unless some school takes that spot.
I see that day coming just think 2020 or later rather than 2018 so one extension seems likely.

Since "hell no" wasn't an option, had to settle for no.

I'm really hoping the answer is "NO" they don't fit the desired foot print, they add no value in football and frankly I know we played down to their level last season but I don't expect that to happen ever again. The ultimate pillow fight game will be GaSt vs Idaho...... I watch as many SBC games as possible on any given game day but even I won't touch that game.

(07-06-2015 12:06 PM)StillGotIt Wrote:  

(07-06-2015 11:32 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  The larger question is: What is the vision for the Sun Belt as a football playing conference?

But more importantly is how did this thread get to page two without becoming all about Georgia Southern.

(07-09-2015 09:28 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  I'm really hoping the answer is "NO" they don't fit the desired foot print, they add no value in football and frankly I know we played down to their level last season but I don't expect that to happen ever again. The ultimate pillow fight game will be GaSt vs Idaho...... I watch as many SBC games as possible on any given game day but even I won't touch that game.

Plenty of pillow fights not sure why that.is the ultimate.

Idaho is 16-8 vs NMSU

Idaho won two bowl games before ASU played in one or Louisiana.

NMSU last bowl game fifty plus years ago.
Georgia St no FBS wins ever Louisiana most losses to FCS teams.

I could care less about any of those facts just pointing out Idaho isn't at the bottom alone . Bringing this powerful conference with four OOC FBS wins down by ourselves.

(07-11-2015 09:05 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-09-2015 09:28 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  I'm really hoping the answer is "NO" they don't fit the desired foot print, they add no value in football and frankly I know we played down to their level last season but I don't expect that to happen ever again. The ultimate pillow fight game will be GaSt vs Idaho...... I watch as many SBC games as possible on any given game day but even I won't touch that game.

Plenty of pillow fights not sure why that.is the ultimate.

Idaho is 16-8 vs NMSU

Idaho won two bowl games before ASU played in one or Louisiana.

NMSU last bowl game fifty plus years ago.
Georgia St no FBS wins ever Louisiana most losses to FCS teams.

I could care less about any of those facts just pointing out Idaho isn't at the bottom alone . Bringing this powerful conference with four OOC FBS wins down by ourselves.

LOL never said you were bringing it down alone. Congrats on making those bowl games, but lets be honest CFB is a what have you done for me NOW deal not a what did you do 25 years ago (not sure when you played/won those bowls and don't care) NMSU isn't wanted as a full member because of their football power. Idaho offers nothing but an extremely long travel, a crap stadium that is worse than Ladd in Mobile, and what 5 total wins since 2011. Couple that with the great success of Ga St and that is the ultimate pillow fight.

I do wish you good luck in FCS.

Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Drop Idaho, keep NMSU and we have a 10 team conference. If they Big 12 rule doesn't pass, we are going to get raided anyway, then we can add who we want. If the Big 12 rule does pass, we can have a CCG with 10 and we should add no one right now.

End of discussion.

(07-11-2015 09:59 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Drop Idaho, keep NMSU and we have a 10 team conference. If they Big 12 rule doesn't pass, we are going to get raided anyway, then we can add who we want. If the Big 12 rule does pass, we can have a CCG with 10 and we should add no one right now.

End of discussion.

Pretty much agree.

who replaces them

(07-12-2015 07:06 PM)eku grad 1970 Wrote:  who replaces them

What do you mean "who replaces them"??? No one replaces them and we play with 10 football schools and 12 Olympic schools. This means all the schools wanting in are left wanting in.

(07-13-2015 03:23 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-12-2015 07:06 PM)eku grad 1970 Wrote:  who replaces them

What do you mean "who replaces them"??? No one replaces them and we play with 10 football schools and 12 Olympic schools. This means all the schools wanting in are left wanting in.

Jags, you hit the nail on the head. A perfect setup.

(07-11-2015 09:45 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

(07-13-2015 04:25 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  

(07-11-2015 09:45 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

(07-14-2015 08:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:25 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  

(07-11-2015 09:45 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

(07-14-2015 08:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:25 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  

(07-11-2015 09:45 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

We have invested thirty million into our stadium in recent years.
We are currently in the silent phase of fund raising to build a new basketball arena.
Once the arena is built stadium expansion is next twenty seven million is planned.
My guess is a dig down and the balcony sections seven thousand seats 23000 total.
The APR problem was caused by the last coach and coaching change.
Going from no discipline to a hard ass type coach leading to transfers.
Winning we will be one of the most improved teams this year.

(07-14-2015 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:25 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  

(07-11-2015 09:45 AM)Rik Flair Wrote:  Idaho fan question -- >. Wouldn't you fan base have more interest in playing regional FCS teams like Idaho St / E. Wash / Montana and Montana St.? I know Washington St. and Boise are also big rivals but you haven't been playing them anyway.

Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

We have invested thirty million into our stadium in recent years.
We are currently in the silent phase of fund raising to build a new basketball arena.
Once the arena is built stadium expansion is next twenty seven million is planned.
My guess is a dig down and the balcony sections seven thousand seats 23000 total.
The APR problem was caused by the last coach and coaching change.
Going from no discipline to a hard ass type coach leading to transfers.
Winning we will be one of the most improved teams this year.

all that stuff is a step in the right direction. I would question putting that money into the current stadium just to get to 23,000. no fbs school should be happy till they have a comparable 30k stadium so as to convince a few of the names to come in and play. utsa hadnt even played a down before they were able to sign home games with ok state and arizona and baylor and kansas and so on.

(07-15-2015 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:25 PM)dtd_vandal Wrote:  Not really, we played E. Wash a few years ago and it was the second least attended home game of the year (and this was the first game of the year before we knew how bad that team was). Montana was kind of a rival back in the day but I don't really even see them being all that interesting after not playing them for 10+ years. I would wager to guess that the majority of the Idaho fanbase has never even been to Montana outside of the Yellowstone National Park area.

if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

We have invested thirty million into our stadium in recent years.
We are currently in the silent phase of fund raising to build a new basketball arena.
Once the arena is built stadium expansion is next twenty seven million is planned.
My guess is a dig down and the balcony sections seven thousand seats 23000 total.
The APR problem was caused by the last coach and coaching change.
Going from no discipline to a hard ass type coach leading to transfers.
Winning we will be one of the most improved teams this year.

all that stuff is a step in the right direction. I would question putting that money into the current stadium just to get to 23,000. no fbs school should be happy till they have a comparable 30k stadium so as to convince a few of the names to come in and play. utsa hadnt even played a down before they were able to sign home games with ok state and arizona and baylor and kansas and so on.

The WSU AD has stated they will play in a mid twenties dome.
Kansas is playing at Ohio U WKU is hosting Indiana.
We can get to thirty with a roof.
We can also remove the roof one day if needed.
One of the reasons for a new arena.
The dome also functions as are IPF so removing the roof creates another need.

Hard to spend too much with our conference situation.
Nevada and USU are renovating their stadiums and losing seats. Both will be near 25k one slightly over one under .
Twelve FBS stadiums are under thirty thousand and that number is growing.

(07-15-2015 07:46 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:18 AM)runamuck Wrote:  if the Idaho faithful see themselves as less of a regional brand and more national, than they need to ramp things up and schedule and beat some "name" schools. if a school like boise could do it so should they be able to. that would make them desirable in the eyes of the mwc where they would like to be.

They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

We have invested thirty million into our stadium in recent years.
We are currently in the silent phase of fund raising to build a new basketball arena.
Once the arena is built stadium expansion is next twenty seven million is planned.
My guess is a dig down and the balcony sections seven thousand seats 23000 total.
The APR problem was caused by the last coach and coaching change.
Going from no discipline to a hard ass type coach leading to transfers.
Winning we will be one of the most improved teams this year.

all that stuff is a step in the right direction. I would question putting that money into the current stadium just to get to 23,000. no fbs school should be happy till they have a comparable 30k stadium so as to convince a few of the names to come in and play. utsa hadnt even played a down before they were able to sign home games with ok state and arizona and baylor and kansas and so on.

The WSU AD has stated they will play in a mid twenties dome.
Kansas is playing at Ohio U WKU is hosting Indiana.
We can get to thirty with a roof.
We can also remove the roof one day if needed.
One of the reasons for a new arena.
The dome also functions as are IPF so removing the roof creates another need.

Hard to spend too much with our conference situation.
Nevada and USU are renovating their stadiums and losing seats. Both will be near 25k one slightly over one under .
Twelve FBS stadiums are under thirty thousand and that number is growing.

true. schools that dont draw well like tulane and smu and to some degree houston have nice smaller stadiums. they manage to get some names to come play them.

(07-15-2015 10:11 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 07:46 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 07:30 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 05:42 PM)MJG Wrote:  

(07-14-2015 08:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  They just need to beat schools, "name" or no name. And fix their APR stuff, and build a real stadium. They have a laundry list of things that need to be fixed.

We have invested thirty million into our stadium in recent years.
We are currently in the silent phase of fund raising to build a new basketball arena.
Once the arena is built stadium expansion is next twenty seven million is planned.
My guess is a dig down and the balcony sections seven thousand seats 23000 total.
The APR problem was caused by the last coach and coaching change.
Going from no discipline to a hard ass type coach leading to transfers.
Winning we will be one of the most improved teams this year.

all that stuff is a step in the right direction. I would question putting that money into the current stadium just to get to 23,000. no fbs school should be happy till they have a comparable 30k stadium so as to convince a few of the names to come in and play. utsa hadnt even played a down before they were able to sign home games with ok state and arizona and baylor and kansas and so on.

The WSU AD has stated they will play in a mid twenties dome.
Kansas is playing at Ohio U WKU is hosting Indiana.
We can get to thirty with a roof.
We can also remove the roof one day if needed.
One of the reasons for a new arena.
The dome also functions as are IPF so removing the roof creates another need.

Hard to spend too much with our conference situation.
Nevada and USU are renovating their stadiums and losing seats. Both will be near 25k one slightly over one under .
Twelve FBS stadiums are under thirty thousand and that number is growing.

true. schools that dont draw well like tulane and smu and to some degree houston have nice smaller stadiums. they manage to get some names to come play them.

But those other schools are in recruiting hotbeds and playing them serves a purpose. Like Miss St and NCST coming to Mobile. Idaho, not much recruiting going on there.