I don't even think Chuck Landon's family likes Chuck Landon.

Sad to read the posts by people ready to just ship. I believe those fans to be short sighted. I believe this conference will grow and shine. I'm proud North Texas is in C-USA, and I'm proud of other fans that want to be here. Two of the other G5 conferences may be able to offer a little more money, but they offer no more opportunity to the access bowl. And, I maintain that C-USA has the most growth potential of all the G5 conferences.

(07-02-2015 08:26 AM)pilot172000 Wrote:  There is a lot of "Grass is Greener Syndrome" going down on this thread. CUSA has faired far better than the AAC in football since expansion. Perception will only last so long before before facts kick in. CUSA has better football than AAC.

Perception takes a LONG time to change. For example, the Big East finished ahead of the ACC multiple times, yet was never viewed as a stronger conference. Same with the SBC and CUSA under the same metrics used today to distribute G5 funds.

It's easier for individual programs to raise their profiles. Wholesale perception swaps while not impossible take longer to manifest. The average college fan doesn't know enough about the inside workings of G5 football to be aware of or even care about who got more money in any given year, but they do recognize individual schools based on past history, success, visibility...

Id rather be in the AAC for better bowl opponents alone. I really wish we could find more p5 opponents in our bowls. But we know thats not gonna happen here

I would also like to point out that our record in the old CUSA is due to a horrid coaching hire. Had we had Doc and he had his guys after year 3 and 4, we would have done very well in the old cusa as well.

(07-02-2015 12:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Id rather be in the AAC for better bowl opponents alone. I really wish we could find more p5 opponents in our bowls. But we know thats not gonna happen here

I would also like to point out that our record in the old CUSA is due to a horrid coaching hire. Had we had Doc and he had his guys after year 3 and 4, we would have done very well in the old cusa as well.

You can point that out all you want but there's nothing to point to that says...

it's actually true.

(07-02-2015 12:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Id rather be in the AAC for better bowl opponents alone. I really wish we could find more p5 opponents in our bowls. But we know thats not gonna happen here

I would also like to point out that our record in the old CUSA is due to a horrid coaching hire. Had we had Doc and he had his guys after year 3 and 4, we would have done very well in the old cusa as well.

You can point that out all you want but there's nothing to point to that says...

it's actually true.

WKU normally, I would agree with you...but in this case, I have to agree with him. Mark Snyder couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. He failed at Marshall. He sucked at USF. He sucked at Texas A&M... And Chris Rippon (the DC) sucked even harder... He couldn't stop a clock.

(07-02-2015 01:00 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 12:45 PM)goherd24herdfans Wrote:  Id rather be in the AAC for better bowl opponents alone. I really wish we could find more p5 opponents in our bowls. But we know thats not gonna happen here

I would also like to point out that our record in the old CUSA is due to a horrid coaching hire. Had we had Doc and he had his guys after year 3 and 4, we would have done very well in the old cusa as well.

You can point that out all you want but there's nothing to point to that says...

it's actually true.

WKU normally, I would agree with you...but in this case, I have to agree with him. Mark Snyder couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag. He failed at Marshall. He sucked at USF. He sucked at Texas A&M... And Chris Rippon (the DC) sucked even harder... He couldn't stop a clock.

I don't disagree the last two years but you had Doc for 3 years before that and while Marshall improved in year 2..years 1 & 3 were 5 win seasons and yes it's easy to say ...IF

But that could be said for most schools...if...they had their players in place 3 years earlier. Which would mean Doc would be in his 8th year last season at Marshall. So if that was the case then yes..most likely but it wasn't and never was a option.

So it's still the big..IF game. Wouldn't have disagreed if he said year 4 and 5 on probably years after

(07-02-2015 11:38 AM)ARandomHerdFan Wrote:  I don't even think Chuck Landon's family likes Chuck Landon.

Chuck Landon would have to hold a steak to get his dog to lick him.

Not sure all four FLA schools in one league would work, either for them, or for the other schools who want to recruit the state.

May have to put UAB in the East, and I don't see where UConn is going unless they go Independent. So the issue is, whats the pecking order of the FLA schools, and how does that dictate splitting them up?

East:

UConn
ECU
Temple
Navy (UMass?)
WKU
Marshall
ODU
MTSU
Charlotte
UAB
FLA School (UCF?)
FLA School (FAU?)

West:

Tulsa
Houston
SMU
Tulane
Rice
N. Texas
La Tech
S. Miss
UTSA
UTEP
FLA School (USF?)
FLA School (FIU?)

Then it gets nasty dividing up FLA - that's why I have suggestions only up there. Not trying to pick fights. I'd have to say that it makes sense to me to pair them up either UCF/FAU and USF/FIU, or UCF/FIU and USF/FAU

I think UCF would want to stay in the East with most of its top rivals. I feel strongly that the ECU/UCF football rivalry needs to stay in place.

BTW, does Navy even have a basketball team? Would the East have to invite a hoops/Oly program to offset them? If so, who? What does the AAC do about that?

I feel that we have three G5 conferences competing every year for top spot and the access bowl. Sunbelt and MAC are slightly behind with plenty of opportunity to put somebody in the Access Bowl. MWC has a distinct advantage in that it has the ESPN favorite who is always going to get media attention and the benefit of the doubt when it loses a ball game. AAC and CUSA is far more balanced which at time has hurt it tremendously. Marshall, USM, and Houston got submarined by conference foes when it was their turn to shine. Boise has not had that problem. The biggest thing is stability. If 12-14 programs can stick together for 25 years or more like the BIG guys, any of these Conferences could command the big bucks.

Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

That's simply not true. Marshall wins against WKU like they should have and no one in the world is going to accept a 2 loss Boise over an Undefeated Marshall. If that had happened, you would have seen an outright revolt by the other G5 conferences.

(07-02-2015 01:49 PM)Artifice Wrote:  BTW, does Navy even have a basketball team? Would the East have to invite a hoops/Oly program to offset them? If so, who? What does the AAC do about that?

AAC doesn't do anything about it. Navy makes for 12 football schools and 2 six school divisions. Basketball has 11 schools and no divisions.

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

It's good to be king of the G5.


Bow down, peasants

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

Not totally true...had more to do with Marshall's OOC schedule than 0 or 2 losses by either school.

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

That's simply not true. Marshall wins against WKU like they should have and no one in the world is going to accept a 2 loss Boise over an Undefeated Marshall. If that had happened, you would have seen an outright revolt by the other G5 conferences.

it is true, it is beyond true, its a fact ....

9-2 boise was ranked higher than marshall at 11-0

marshall next 2 games were a 6-6 wku and a 8-4 la tech

boise last 2 games 9-3 utah state with top 25 votes (boise won by 30) and 6-6 fresno on national cbs....

boise had the access bowl locked as soon as CSU lost....

and ZERO g5 would revolt, and im certain atleast 3 of the 5 g5 would have applauded it...for scheduling... every G5 not named marshall has a difficult-ish OOC..if marhsall got it, theyd have to question why are they bothering to schedule hard..

you talk of perception and fact, but you seem to be the one lost in your c-usa perception

Its is true, Boise is king of G5 based on perception and voting of committee, that's why I laugh at all the talk concerning what conferences can get Access Spot and what certain teams can do, this and that...Boise controls their own destiny every season for Access Spot, we simply do not, its a fact!...

If WKU goes 11 and 1 this season and Boise is 10 and 2, guess what team is getting Access Spot? Now if WKU goes 12 and 0 and a win @LSU, than we might get in over Boise, but it would still be close... Even if Marshall went undefeated last season we all saw what little respect they received among the committee, no way in hell they would have gotten in last season over Boise even if they finished undefeated...To those who think otherwise were simply not paying attention....To beat out Boise would take someone going undefeated and including a win or 2 against top 30 teams that season....Its Boise's spot, they control their won destiny, no one else can say that in the G5 besides Boise.....If Boise somehow losses 3 games, then we have a legit conversation on who is getting spot..

(07-02-2015 02:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

That's simply not true. Marshall wins against WKU like they should have and no one in the world is going to accept a 2 loss Boise over an Undefeated Marshall. If that had happened, you would have seen an outright revolt by the other G5 conferences.

it is true, it is beyond true, its a fact ....

9-2 boise was ranked higher than marshall at 11-0

marshall next 2 games were a 6-6 wku and a 8-4 la tech

boise last 2 games 9-3 utah state with top 25 votes (boise won by 30) and 6-6 fresno on national cbs....

boise had the access bowl locked as soon as CSU lost....

and ZERO g5 would revolt, and im certain atleast 3 of the 5 g5 would have applauded it...for scheduling... every G5 not named marshall has a difficult-ish OOC..if marhsall got it, theyd have to question why are they bothering to schedule hard..

you talk of perception and fact, but you seem to be the one lost in your c-usa perception

You talk a lot period. Why don't you go back to your board where you are welcome and that's not perception that's fact, Jack!

(07-02-2015 03:18 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:35 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:14 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  

(07-02-2015 02:01 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Its not such much about conferences when it comes to Access Spot as it is about Boise...Boise will take access spot every season as long as they do not lose more than 2 games......Marshall undefeated would have still lost out on Access Spot last season to Boise...

That's simply not true. Marshall wins against WKU like they should have and no one in the world is going to accept a 2 loss Boise over an Undefeated Marshall. If that had happened, you would have seen an outright revolt by the other G5 conferences.

it is true, it is beyond true, its a fact ....

9-2 boise was ranked higher than marshall at 11-0

marshall next 2 games were a 6-6 wku and a 8-4 la tech

boise last 2 games 9-3 utah state with top 25 votes (boise won by 30) and 6-6 fresno on national cbs....

boise had the access bowl locked as soon as CSU lost....

and ZERO g5 would revolt, and im certain atleast 3 of the 5 g5 would have applauded it...for scheduling... every G5 not named marshall has a difficult-ish OOC..if marhsall got it, theyd have to question why are they bothering to schedule hard..

you talk of perception and fact, but you seem to be the one lost in your c-usa perception

You talk a lot period. Why don't you go back to your board where you are welcome and that's not perception that's fact, Jack!

This is how you can tell you lost an argument. They tell you to go back to your own board!

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I like the idea of CUSA and the AAC merging to form a 20-24 member conference. The two conference champions could still meet in a championship game. Two separate, but geographically sensible, basketball tournaments could be held. I think it would take the AAC losing 2 teams In the possible BIG12 expansion. Then it would require a lot of people putting their egos aside to make it work. I think it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened.