Quote:I can understand DC's not liking to Schedule option offenses, but are DC's actually consulted about such things......especially when schedules are made years in advance?

As a matter of fact they do have quite a bit of pull or at least they do here at A State. I recently asked Terry Mohajir our AD why we don't play one of the service academies on a rotating basis every couple of years. Even when those teams aren't very good you get pretty decent crowds because everyone has their attachment even if they are "your team" Like for me I pull for Navy, I only watch the Army Navy game though.

He said "I would but they play the option game and it takes too much time to prep for when you'll only play one option team a year, its not worth it."

So I could see other schools having that same feeling when it comes to GaSo non conf.

(06-27-2015 06:12 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  

Quote:I can understand DC's not liking to Schedule option offenses, but are DC's actually consulted about such things......especially when schedules are made years in advance?

As a matter of fact they do have quite a bit of pull or at least they do here at A State. I recently asked Terry Mohajir our AD why we don't play one of the service academies on a rotating basis every couple of years. Even when those teams aren't very good you get pretty decent crowds because everyone has their attachment even if they are "your team" Like for me I pull for Navy, I only watch the Army Navy game though.

He said "I would but they play the option game and it takes too much time to prep for when you'll only play one option team a year, its not worth it."

So I could see other schools having that same feeling when it comes to GaSo non conf.

One reason/benefit for UGA to schedule us is to get ready for Ga Tech. I believe everytime we have played them it has been the week before they played Tech.

(06-27-2015 03:02 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 01:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 12:42 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I guess drawing 25k since 2006 and donations north of $3M helps with flexiblity.

However we had no relationship with S. Miss, UMass, Akron, or ODU. One game with Wyoming in 2004. I'm not buying some of these excuses.

We do have more drivable opponents than most SBC schools I guess.

You do have history with ODU in the sense that you were both highly rated FCS programs, who happen to be located fairly close to each other.

App's done a great job of scheduling, but you have several huge advantages that even a lot of our long term schools don't have.

UMass and Akron are just throwaway home and homes. They don't really mean nearly the same that even a Southern miss does.

I question the ODU connection, that is a stretch.

What huge advantages do you speak of?

Number of nearby schools willing to play. You guys have a ton of teams within a few hours of Boone that would be willing to travel. We have 3 schools within the same distance, and none are willing to play us right now.

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Getting back to the topic... I've been a advocate of a 9 team league for years. Eveyone has 4 home and 4 away conf games, 4 non conference games split among a FCS at home, money game on the road and a two G5 schools 1 home & 1 away. It ain't exactly rocket science.

That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

(06-27-2015 06:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Getting back to the topic... I've been a advocate of a 9 team league for years. Eveyone has 4 home and 4 away conf games, 4 non conference games split among a FCS at home, money game on the road and a two G5 schools 1 home & 1 away. It ain't exactly rocket science.

That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

Yes it does

(06-27-2015 06:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Getting back to the topic... I've been a advocate of a 9 team league for years. Eveyone has 4 home and 4 away conf games, 4 non conference games split among a FCS at home, money game on the road and a two G5 schools 1 home & 1 away. It ain't exactly rocket science.

That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

Adding ONE school in the East does nothing for travel costs, and you'll still be crying about having to travel to NM . . . .

The only thing that will counter current travel costs are Divisions or Contraction . . .

12 schools, 2 divisions, and a CG gives you a Conference Champion . . .. No Problem.

(06-27-2015 08:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 06:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Getting back to the topic... I've been a advocate of a 9 team league for years. Eveyone has 4 home and 4 away conf games, 4 non conference games split among a FCS at home, money game on the road and a two G5 schools 1 home & 1 away. It ain't exactly rocket science.

That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

Adding ONE school in the East does nothing for travel costs, and you'll still be crying about having to travel to NM . . . .

The only thing that will counter current travel costs are Divisions or Contraction . . .

12 schools, 2 divisions, and a CG gives you a Conference Champion . . .. No Problem.

With nine football schools we wouldn't have to worry about traveling to NMSU because NMSU WOULDN'T BE IN THE CONFERENCE!

(06-27-2015 12:55 PM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  It has a lot to do with relationships between AD's, money, mutual open dates not only 1 year but mutual open dates in multiple years, geography, fan interest, coaches input etc. most of us have 8 conference, 1 fcs and either 1 or 2 money games. Now factor in all that and figure out a schedule for 1 or 2 weekends. It also takes 2 to sign a deal as well.

You're right. It's a wonder how anyone in the Sun Belt makes a full schedule anymore.

(06-28-2015 12:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 06:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 03:59 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Getting back to the topic... I've been a advocate of a 9 team league for years. Eveyone has 4 home and 4 away conf games, 4 non conference games split among a FCS at home, money game on the road and a two G5 schools 1 home & 1 away. It ain't exactly rocket science.

That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

Adding ONE school in the East does nothing for travel costs, and you'll still be crying about having to travel to NM . . . .

The only thing that will counter current travel costs are Divisions or Contraction . . .

12 schools, 2 divisions, and a CG gives you a Conference Champion . . .. No Problem.

With nine football schools we wouldn't have to worry about traveling to NMSU because NMSU WOULDN'T BE IN THE CONFERENCE!

Keep makin' with that small minded So. Con. Thinking . . . . It's the kind of thinking that keeps holding this conference back . . . .

App St = Bus League or Bust

(06-28-2015 03:58 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 12:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 08:51 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 06:49 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(06-27-2015 04:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  That's funny coming from a guy that's always yelling about travel costs . . .

. . . Better to get to 12, have divisions, and reduce those costs . . .

You just simply don't pay attention do you? I've always be an advocate for nine football schools, but ONE additional school in the East for basketball, baseball and olympic sports to help with travel costs. Nothing more than what you guys enjoy in the West. Adding one non-football school in the East would be far easier than continuing the endless debate about Liberty, JMU, EKU, Coastal Carolina, ect, ect, ect... Twelve schools in two divisions does not solve the issue of potentially crowning a champion who did not play some of the better teams in the league.

Adding ONE school in the East does nothing for travel costs, and you'll still be crying about having to travel to NM . . . .

The only thing that will counter current travel costs are Divisions or Contraction . . .

12 schools, 2 divisions, and a CG gives you a Conference Champion . . .. No Problem.

With nine football schools we wouldn't have to worry about traveling to NMSU because NMSU WOULDN'T BE IN THE CONFERENCE!

Keep makin' with that small minded So. Con. Thinking . . . . It's the kind of thinking that keeps holding this conference back . . . .

App St = Bus League or Bust

You are hopeless...

9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

FWIW, supposedly Will Muschamp had to talk Nick Saban out of scheduling Georgia Southern...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7GTiLzktK0

And like Cliff said, it's funny that when we dumped the option offense all of the sudden games with the kind of teams we couldn't get before started materializing.

(06-28-2015 04:19 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

We ain't the Big 12.

But just so I understand the argument here, do you believe 12 teams, 2 divisions, and a championship game are going to change the perception of the SunBelt with the outside world?

Sorry my friend, but in my humble opinion, the only thing that is going to change that perception is for SunBelt teams to consistently kick the crap out of teams on their OOC schedules.

It'll take an undefeated, ranked Belt team, with wins against a couple of damn decent OOC foes, and the rest of the Belt playing well against their OOC before any of us is considered for an Access Bowl slot. Easy? No. Attainable? Absolutely.

And while I cringe every time I see EKU, Coastal Carolina, or whatever other FCS flavor-of-the-day mentioned as a potential member of the Belt, let me say this. App State and GaSouthern were the two BEST possible add-ons in our footprint and coupled with shedding the likes of the UNTs and the F_U's, they have made Belt football significantly stronger and I believe will be the catalyst to take our conference to another level.

The problem is a championship game attendance for a 12 team conference. If scheduled at neutral site then attendance is low. Need to have SBC championship game on one opponents home field

Well as much as I love Fritz, this is one more thing we see things a little differently on.

I mean, I want to line up under center, at least on goal line or 4th and 1!
( DO NOT MENTION NCSTATE )

But still, I see a CCG as a marketing tool for our conference and one less thing for them to use to argue against us getting the access bowl like they used to keep a BIG12 out of the CFP.

It could be a spring board or a derailer. But I'm willing to take that chance.

It adds excitement for winning the conference and a major Climax to winning the title on National TV. It WILL BE GOOD FOR THE CONFERENCE.

Please, even if we have 10 teams, let's find a way to have a CCG.

10, 12 or 14 teams...... just give us a CCG. I'm for adding new members IF they bring: #1 Football power, #2 Money due to basketball or whatever other sport people watch besides football (wouldn't know - only watch football), #3 Large state population/Media Market for TV Contract and cash flow for future SBC Channel = no new members from any state we already have a member in.

(06-28-2015 06:35 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:19 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

We ain't the Big 12.

But just so I understand the argument here, do you believe 12 teams, 2 divisions, and a championship game are going to change the perception of the SunBelt with the outside world?

Sorry my friend, but in my humble opinion, the only thing that is going to change that perception is for SunBelt teams to consistently kick the crap out of teams on their OOC schedules.

It'll take an undefeated, ranked Belt team, with wins against a couple of damn decent OOC foes, and the rest of the Belt playing well against their OOC before any of us is considered for an Access Bowl slot. Easy? No. Attainable? Absolutely.

And while I cringe every time I see EKU, Coastal Carolina, or whatever other FCS flavor-of-the-day mentioned as a potential member of the Belt, let me say this. App State and GaSouthern were the two BEST possible add-ons in our footprint and coupled with shedding the likes of the UNTs and the F_U's, they have made Belt football significantly stronger and I believe will be the catalyst to take our conference to another level.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Of course we aren't the Big 12 heck we aren't even the AAC. But if we want a shot at the access bowl a 9 team conference isn't going to get that, period, neither will a 10 team 9 conference game schedule. As you said we have to win our OOC and at least for starters do so convincingly.

I do however believe that adding two more teams and dumping Idaho gives us our best shot at being that access bowl conference. My reference to the Big 12 was simply that they play a 9 conf game schedule and don't have a CCG and they were left out of the playoffs because of it. Do you really think we can get the only G5 access bowl doing what they did and were left from the playoffs? I don't think so.

(06-28-2015 07:04 PM)NewJersey GATA Wrote:  The problem is a championship game attendance for a 12 team conference. If scheduled at neutral site then attendance is low. Need to have SBC championship game on one opponents home field

No doubt it needs to be held at highest ranked competitor's stadium.

(06-28-2015 11:55 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:35 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:19 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

We ain't the Big 12.

But just so I understand the argument here, do you believe 12 teams, 2 divisions, and a championship game are going to change the perception of the SunBelt with the outside world?

Sorry my friend, but in my humble opinion, the only thing that is going to change that perception is for SunBelt teams to consistently kick the crap out of teams on their OOC schedules.

It'll take an undefeated, ranked Belt team, with wins against a couple of damn decent OOC foes, and the rest of the Belt playing well against their OOC before any of us is considered for an Access Bowl slot. Easy? No. Attainable? Absolutely.

And while I cringe every time I see EKU, Coastal Carolina, or whatever other FCS flavor-of-the-day mentioned as a potential member of the Belt, let me say this. App State and GaSouthern were the two BEST possible add-ons in our footprint and coupled with shedding the likes of the UNTs and the F_U's, they have made Belt football significantly stronger and I believe will be the catalyst to take our conference to another level.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Of course we aren't the Big 12 heck we aren't even the AAC. But if we want a shot at the access bowl a 9 team conference isn't going to get that, period, neither will a 10 team 9 conference game schedule. As you said we have to win our OOC and at least for starters do so convincingly.

I do however believe that adding two more teams and dumping Idaho gives us our best shot at being that access bowl conference. My reference to the Big 12 was simply that they play a 9 conf game schedule and don't have a CCG and they were left out of the playoffs because of it. Do you really think we can get the only G5 access bowl doing what they did and were left from the playoffs? I don't think so.

Big 12 was not left out because of a lack of a title game. That's a myth that the media likes to talk about. Big 12 was left out because they did two things wrong:

1: They never actually declared a league champ...going with the co champs route like the SBC does. No Tiebreaker.

2. They played absolutely no one in OOC play. Baylor played the worst OOC imaginable, and TCU played a bad FCS, and two low rated G5's before beating a mediocre Minnesota.

People talk about the Big 12 losing out on a title game because Ohio State got in because they had an extra game against a very good Michigan State team. Had the Big 12 added 2 teams and gone to 12 with divisions, they likely see no benefit because Baylor would be playing in the game and not TCU, and they likely would be playing an Oklahoma State type based off of fictional divisions...not someone as good at Michigan State. (Meaning OSU passes either way) It's why we are hearing about Deregulation instead of the "12 TEAMS NOW" idea. ACC has the same problem.

(06-29-2015 06:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 11:55 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:35 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:19 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

We ain't the Big 12.

But just so I understand the argument here, do you believe 12 teams, 2 divisions, and a championship game are going to change the perception of the SunBelt with the outside world?

Sorry my friend, but in my humble opinion, the only thing that is going to change that perception is for SunBelt teams to consistently kick the crap out of teams on their OOC schedules.

It'll take an undefeated, ranked Belt team, with wins against a couple of damn decent OOC foes, and the rest of the Belt playing well against their OOC before any of us is considered for an Access Bowl slot. Easy? No. Attainable? Absolutely.

And while I cringe every time I see EKU, Coastal Carolina, or whatever other FCS flavor-of-the-day mentioned as a potential member of the Belt, let me say this. App State and GaSouthern were the two BEST possible add-ons in our footprint and coupled with shedding the likes of the UNTs and the F_U's, they have made Belt football significantly stronger and I believe will be the catalyst to take our conference to another level.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Of course we aren't the Big 12 heck we aren't even the AAC. But if we want a shot at the access bowl a 9 team conference isn't going to get that, period, neither will a 10 team 9 conference game schedule. As you said we have to win our OOC and at least for starters do so convincingly.

I do however believe that adding two more teams and dumping Idaho gives us our best shot at being that access bowl conference. My reference to the Big 12 was simply that they play a 9 conf game schedule and don't have a CCG and they were left out of the playoffs because of it. Do you really think we can get the only G5 access bowl doing what they did and were left from the playoffs? I don't think so.

Big 12 was not left out because of a lack of a title game. That's a myth that the media likes to talk about. Big 12 was left out because they did two things wrong:

1: They never actually declared a league champ...going with the co champs route like the SBC does. No Tiebreaker.

2. They played absolutely no one in OOC play. Baylor played the worst OOC imaginable, and TCU played a bad FCS, and two low rated G5's before beating a mediocre Minnesota.

People talk about the Big 12 losing out on a title game because Ohio State got in because they had an extra game against a very good Michigan State team. Had the Big 12 added 2 teams and gone to 12 with divisions, they likely see no benefit because Baylor would be playing in the game and not TCU, and they likely would be playing an Oklahoma State type based off of fictional divisions...not someone as good at Michigan State. (Meaning OSU passes either way) It's why we are hearing about Deregulation instead of the "12 TEAMS NOW" idea. ACC has the same problem.

Again. 5 P5 conferences..4 playoff spots. somebody will be left out every year. last year was the first year and they picked ohio state over tcu/baylor..and the hair pulling and hand wringing began. I cant wait for the next round of drama and the sky is falling frenzy.

(06-29-2015 06:24 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 11:55 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 06:35 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 04:19 PM)RedWolf_Rex Wrote:  9 Football schools is just a dumb concept, its small time and we don't need that. It we went even 10 teams I think we lose any outside shot at the access bowl we have now. We need 12 teams 2 divisions and a championship game. The playoff committee said as much with the way they treated the Big 12 last season.

We ain't the Big 12.

But just so I understand the argument here, do you believe 12 teams, 2 divisions, and a championship game are going to change the perception of the SunBelt with the outside world?

Sorry my friend, but in my humble opinion, the only thing that is going to change that perception is for SunBelt teams to consistently kick the crap out of teams on their OOC schedules.

It'll take an undefeated, ranked Belt team, with wins against a couple of damn decent OOC foes, and the rest of the Belt playing well against their OOC before any of us is considered for an Access Bowl slot. Easy? No. Attainable? Absolutely.

And while I cringe every time I see EKU, Coastal Carolina, or whatever other FCS flavor-of-the-day mentioned as a potential member of the Belt, let me say this. App State and GaSouthern were the two BEST possible add-ons in our footprint and coupled with shedding the likes of the UNTs and the F_U's, they have made Belt football significantly stronger and I believe will be the catalyst to take our conference to another level.

I think you misunderstood what I meant. Of course we aren't the Big 12 heck we aren't even the AAC. But if we want a shot at the access bowl a 9 team conference isn't going to get that, period, neither will a 10 team 9 conference game schedule. As you said we have to win our OOC and at least for starters do so convincingly.

I do however believe that adding two more teams and dumping Idaho gives us our best shot at being that access bowl conference. My reference to the Big 12 was simply that they play a 9 conf game schedule and don't have a CCG and they were left out of the playoffs because of it. Do you really think we can get the only G5 access bowl doing what they did and were left from the playoffs? I don't think so.

Big 12 was not left out because of a lack of a title game. That's a myth that the media likes to talk about. Big 12 was left out because they did two things wrong:

1: They never actually declared a league champ...going with the co champs route like the SBC does. No Tiebreaker.

2. They played absolutely no one in OOC play. Baylor played the worst OOC imaginable, and TCU played a bad FCS, and two low rated G5's before beating a mediocre Minnesota.

People talk about the Big 12 losing out on a title game because Ohio State got in because they had an extra game against a very good Michigan State team. Had the Big 12 added 2 teams and gone to 12 with divisions, they likely see no benefit because Baylor would be playing in the game and not TCU, and they likely would be playing an Oklahoma State type based off of fictional divisions...not someone as good at Michigan State. (Meaning OSU passes either way) It's why we are hearing about Deregulation instead of the "12 TEAMS NOW" idea. ACC has the same problem.

I will grant you the OOC but if you're trying to say Baylor beating Oklahoma St the same day Ohio St beat Mich St would make no difference I respectfully disagree with you. One team putting a beat down on another while the 3rd team is idle cost them. You can pretend it didn't if you want to.

Baylor and TCU did everything they had to do and even if the Big12 said "Baylor is our champion" The fact they didn't play the CCG gives Ohio St one more game to impress people.