I trust the source I heard it from. He is a long time, reputable poster on the WAC forum about all things Chicago State.

I'm not saying what to believe, but his word is good enough for me personally. I'm sure they are coordinating a bigger announcement soon, but it seems to have gotten tied in with the streaming company's own press release.

A revolution is at hand! Chicago State in Soldier Field!! AAC found their 12th football program!!!

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chicago State Inks Deal With FloSports, Adds Non-Scholarship Football


Football begins in the fall of 2022.

How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chicago State Inks Deal With FloSports, Adds Non-Scholarship Football


Football begins in the fall of 2022.

How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

Chicago St appears to be pulling what DIII schools have been pulling off for years. Run a bear bones budget football program while charging tuition, room, and board to the players. Chicago St then turns the Federal Pell Grant Program into their own little ATM machine.

I hate this model. It’s predatory. You’re selling a bunch of kids, many with marginal academics, on the idea that they can play collegiately. The tax payers end up on the hook for most of the bill and what they don’t pay the kids get stuck with once they graduate regardless if they actually attained any employable skills from the university.

At least Chicago State already has an on-campus stadium that's available (SeatGeek Stadium, a former MLS stadium that is being used by CSU's soccer teams.)

Would the Pioneer take them? I'm not sure if they basically just rubber stamp anyone who wants in, but the top few schools in the PFL do care about their programs a lot.

(03-30-2021 12:31 PM)whittx Wrote:  At least Chicago State already has an on-campus stadium that's available (SeatGeek Stadium, a former MLS stadium that is being used by CSU's soccer teams.)

SeatGeek is in suburban Bridgeview as opposed to on-campus. Maybe they’re offering a sweetheart deal.

(03-30-2021 12:38 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  Would the Pioneer take them? I'm not sure if they basically just rubber stamp anyone who wants in, but the top few schools in the PFL do care about their programs a lot.

I think it hinges on how well Chicago St actually funds their program. If it’s going to be horribly funded, they probably turn them down.

I have to wonder if they think this non-scholarship football program is going to get them into the OVC or MEAC.

As an independent, I see them playing lots of money games against the OVC and MVFC, home and homes with some Pioneer schools, and home games against lesser competition.

(03-30-2021 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chicago State Inks Deal With FloSports, Adds Non-Scholarship Football


Football begins in the fall of 2022.

How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

The movement at the top is to pay players more.

That's NOT the movement at the bottom. D-2 & D-3 schools are adding sports to attract tuition-paying students.

And not just sports. E-Sports, too.

(03-30-2021 01:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chicago State Inks Deal With FloSports, Adds Non-Scholarship Football


Football begins in the fall of 2022.

How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

The movement at the top is to pay players more.

That's NOT the movement at the bottom. D-2 & D-3 schools are adding sports to attract tuition-paying students.

And not just sports. E-Sports, too.

It is at all levels that players will get paid. There is a women's volleyball player at tha NAIA level signed a deal for her name and likeness for a product.

ROFL.

They actually think there kids who will pay full tuition, room and board to go to Chicago State? This is a school with over 98% of the students receiving State and Federal grants, where funding is almost entirely from the Government. Who are these kids who opt for Chicago State over St. Thomas, Augustana (IL), Butler, Drake, Morehead State, Chicago, et al.

Well, it'll be an interesting experiment.

(03-30-2021 12:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 12:31 PM)whittx Wrote:  At least Chicago State already has an on-campus stadium that's available (SeatGeek Stadium, a former MLS stadium that is being used by CSU's soccer teams.)

SeatGeek is in suburban Bridgeview as opposed to on-campus. Maybe they’re offering a sweetheart deal.

Brainfarted that part, but it would be interesting to see if CSU is able to use it for FB, if this actually happens.

(03-30-2021 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  ROFL.

They actually think there kids who will pay full tuition, room and board to go to Chicago State? This is a school with over 98% of the students receiving State and Federal grants, where funding is almost entirely from the Government. Who are these kids who opt for Chicago State over St. Thomas, Augustana (IL), Butler, Drake, Morehead State, Chicago, et al.

Well, it'll be an interesting experiment.

Whether it is the kid paying tuition or the kid receiving Federal and State grants, it is the same to the school if it's an additional student.

Becker College to close in the summer, and football is gone.

(03-30-2021 01:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Chicago State Inks Deal With FloSports, Adds Non-Scholarship Football


Football begins in the fall of 2022.

How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

The movement at the top is to pay players more.

That's NOT the movement at the bottom. D-2 & D-3 schools are adding sports to attract tuition-paying students.

And not just sports. E-Sports, too.

As someone else said, that seems kind of exploitative. I suspect that if pay for play is established at D1, it won't be long before it hits D2/D3/NAIA as well. I don't think that can of regime can survive pay for play.

(03-30-2021 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 01:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  

(03-29-2021 09:51 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  How are they going to pay for it? Football isn’t cheap—even when the kids aren’t on scholarship.

I hope the Pioneer has the sense to black ball them.

Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

The movement at the top is to pay players more.

That's NOT the movement at the bottom. D-2 & D-3 schools are adding sports to attract tuition-paying students.

And not just sports. E-Sports, too.

As someone else said, that seems kind of exploitative. I suspect that if pay for play is established at D1, it won't be long before it hits D2/D3/NAIA as well. I don't think that can of regime can survive pay for play.

Exploitative? Lol. If charging tuition for kids to go to school, than I guess it is. But there are only acting handful of schools with no tuition. Most charge $50k A year and knock $10k off to try to make you feel like you got a good deal. Chicago State is one of the cheaper options out there for an in state kid.

CSU doesn't need to be in the Pioneer. They don't really NEED to play them either, but given the proximity and similar philosophy of football, they most likely will.

As usual, everyone complains when Chicago State does something to try to improve themselves.

(03-30-2021 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  ROFL.

They actually think there kids who will pay full tuition, room and board to go to Chicago State? This is a school with over 98% of the students receiving State and Federal grants, where funding is almost entirely from the Government. Who are these kids who opt for Chicago State over St. Thomas, Augustana (IL), Butler, Drake, Morehead State, Chicago, et al.

Well, it'll be an interesting experiment.

I didn't see mentioned anywhere that this program will require the guys to live on campus to play. Got a source for such claim?

Also never saw mentioned they can only recruit players who have plans to go to the 6 random schools you listed for some reason. Source?

And any mention of pay for play at lower level schools...well, I guess it could, in random times and locations, but it won't matter. There will always be more kids who want to play than there are spots available. If someone won't go to a certain NAIA school because of that, they'll move on to the next guy lol.

(03-30-2021 08:11 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 04:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 01:24 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:51 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 10:48 AM)MU88 Wrote:  Tuition (not including room and board) at CSU is between roughly $14,000 (in-state) and $22,000 (out of state). Lets say they add 100 students, we are talking between $1.4 and $2.2 million in added tuition. You can fund a non-scholarship program for $500,000 or less in some cases. So, it clearly would be a money maker for the school. Given the huge drop in enrollment over the past few yeas, adding football is probably a good move. If they join the Pioneer, you do have a number of schools within driving distance, Drake, Butler, Valpo, etc. Otherwise, they probably could play NAIA. Even if CSU gives out the max scholarships, 24, they still can make money. Overall it is probably a smart move for CSU.

Isn't the whole movement in college athletics these days towards compensating players in more in one form or another, not making money off of them by charging tuition, room and board, etc.?

The movement at the top is to pay players more.

That's NOT the movement at the bottom. D-2 & D-3 schools are adding sports to attract tuition-paying students.

And not just sports. E-Sports, too.

As someone else said, that seems kind of exploitative. I suspect that if pay for play is established at D1, it won't be long before it hits D2/D3/NAIA as well. I don't think that can of regime can survive pay for play.

Exploitative? Lol. If charging tuition for kids to go to school, than I guess it is.

Charging kids for tuition is fine of course, but that's for 'regular' students who aren't athletes and don't have to invest all the time and effort in to athletics. Athletics is very time consuming and makes learning more difficult, so it's exploitative if the "business model" is to make money off athletics by charging athletes for tuition, books, room and board, etc. as if they are normal students. IMO you're basically taking advantage of the kid twice - once by playing off his dream of becoming a pro by dangling the prospect of playing "college athletics" even though his odds of making the pros are near zero, and charging him tuition and all the rest when the athletics will severely curtail his ability to maximize his education.

At many D1 schools, the general student body gets soaked with athletic fees to fund athletes. That's bad. But soaking the athletes themselves with tuition etc. is next-level exploitation, LOL. As much money as say Trevor Lawrence makes for Clemson, probably a lot more than even the high value of his scholarship, I don't think anyone at Clemson ever thought "let's convince TL to come here, so we can make $60,000 off of him by charging him tuition". That would be pretty crass, and exploitative, IMO.

D3 kids put in time/effort at athletics representing their schools just like D1 athletes do. I don't see how pay for play, if it comes at all, won't come to D3 as well.

(03-30-2021 08:17 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-30-2021 02:45 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  ROFL.

They actually think there kids who will pay full tuition, room and board to go to Chicago State? This is a school with over 98% of the students receiving State and Federal grants, where funding is almost entirely from the Government. Who are these kids who opt for Chicago State over St. Thomas, Augustana (IL), Butler, Drake, Morehead State, Chicago, et al.

Well, it'll be an interesting experiment.

I didn't see mentioned anywhere that this program will require the guys to live on campus to play. Got a source for such claim?

Also never saw mentioned they can only recruit players who have plans to go to the 6 random schools you listed for some reason. Source?

And any mention of pay for play at lower level schools...well, I guess it could, in random times and locations, but it won't matter. There will always be more kids who want to play than there are spots available. If someone won't go to a certain NAIA school because of that, they'll move on to the next guy lol.

What I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is that If you are NCAA division 1 all your sports have to be D1. NAIA or D3 won't be an option unless they drop everything to that level. So, if this announcement is true, it will either mean FCS or dropping down.

Does anyone have any information about those plans?