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Re: RE: Yeager to retire
(06-13-2015 04:37 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  
(06-13-2015 04:17 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  North:
Villanova
Delaware
Richmond
James Madison
Towson
Us

South:
Liberty
Coastal Carolina
Furman
Mercer
VMI
Wofford

Would be a solid conference. Wilmington and CoC could be non football members, as Nova and Richmond would be football only. For non football sports, Wilmington and CoC would be in the south division, with Liberty and VMI moving to the North. Wofford/Furman/Mercer could be swapped for Western Carolina or Elon or someone else. If wither Georgetown or Davidson could improve their programs a lot, theyd also make good football onlt members.

What happened to Elon?

Right, and we'd want SBU and Albany in the north with W&M and JMU in the south. Western Carolina is a joke so toss that little fish right back in the SoCon. Forget about Liberty - they're going to a FBS conference. Also not sure Furman and Wofford want anything to do with public universities.
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RE: Yeager to retire
(06-13-2015 05:24 PM)Tribal Wrote:  
(06-13-2015 04:37 PM)wanm65 Wrote:  
(06-13-2015 04:17 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  North:
Villanova
Delaware
Richmond
James Madison
Towson
Us

South:
Liberty
Coastal Carolina
Furman
Mercer
VMI
Wofford

Would be a solid conference. Wilmington and CoC could be non football members, as Nova and Richmond would be football only. For non football sports, Wilmington and CoC would be in the south division, with Liberty and VMI moving to the North. Wofford/Furman/Mercer could be swapped for Western Carolina or Elon or someone else. If wither Georgetown or Davidson could improve their programs a lot, theyd also make good football onlt members.

What happened to Elon?

Right, and we'd want SBU and Albany in the north with W&M and JMU in the south. Western Carolina is a joke so toss that little fish right back in the SoCon. Forget about Liberty - they're going to a FBS conference. Also not sure Furman and Wofford want anything to do with public universities.

I get the conference isn't gonna happen, but I really think the southern schools add more than Stony Brook/Albany. They average more attendance wise, and the private schools are all better academically. WCU was a backup school, I get they're not an ideal add. Liberty is probably going to an FBS conference at some point, but they could be a good add, I bet they'll be FCS for at least a few more years. Still, you could swap them for Elon.

And Furman, Wofford, and Mercer are the only private schools in the SoCon, the rest are all public or military academies.
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Are we sure that we can't just go to the ACC? It would give them a foothold in Hampton Roads
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UNH, Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, JMU, W&M is a strong core of six schools that play football, five of them have had recent hoops success, money is being invested in facilities, and there's a lot of academic quality there. That marriage has to happen.

North - Maine, UNH, Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, Nova (football only), Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern

South - Towson, JMU, W&M, Elon, Coastal, Richmond (football only), Greensboro, UNCW, CofC
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Let's not invite UR for football only. Force their hand into joining for all sports.
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Following up:

Travel partners: Maine / UNH, NU / Albany, Hofstra / SB, Drexel / Delaware, CofC / Coastal, Elon / Greensboro, UNCW / WM, Towson / JMU.

18 game schedule....14 (home and away) against division .... 4 against other division with match ups determined intentionally to provide even match - ups.

Tournament ... all 16 qualify .... first round within division at home site of schools with best records within divisions... 1 vs 8, etc.... 4 northern and 4 southern schools advance to eight team conference tournament at neutral site.
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(06-13-2015 08:40 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Let's not invite UR for football only. Force their hand into joining for all sports.

That kind of discussion should happen with Richmond, Fordham, URI, and Lehigh.
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(06-13-2015 08:28 PM)nj alum Wrote:  UNH, Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, JMU, W&M is a strong core of six schools that play football, five of them have had recent hoops success, money is being invested in facilities, and there's a lot of academic quality there. That marriage has to happen.

North - Maine, UNH, Albany, Stony Brook, Delaware, Nova (football only), Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern

South - Towson, JMU, W&M, Elon, Coastal, Richmond (football only), Greensboro, UNCW, CofC

That might be a bit bloated for basketball. It would probably be a 1 bid league with 16 teams, Greensboro doesn't add a ton IMO, and I would be ok if some of the northern schools remained football only, or if a few schools like Drexel/Hofstra/Northeastern were just removed.

(06-13-2015 08:49 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(06-13-2015 08:40 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Let's not invite UR for football only. Force their hand into joining for all sports.


That kind of discussion should happen with Richmond, Fordham, URI, and Lehigh.

I doubt Richmond woud be willing to do that, and I think they add enough football wise where it's worth having them as a football only member. I especially can't imagine Fordham/URI doing that, since they don't have any natural rivalries with current CAA members.

I'm from Bethlehem, so I would love adding Lehigh. They would probably want Lafayette to come, too. Both would be good adds IMO, though neither invest a ton of money into their sports programs. Even after the Duke win Lehigh basketball games struggle to draw 1,000 (In Lehigh's defense, you can't walk from campus to their sporting complex, as it's behind a mountain). Plus, both are good schools academically, and I like playing games against good schools, and schools that are a bit more similar to WM.
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Obviously this is all hypothetical, I'm just bored with nothing better to do.

Here's another conference idea, this one a little less southern than my other suggestion:

WM
James Madison
Delaware
Lehigh
Lafayette
Towson
VMI

Football only:
Richmond
Villanova

Non-Football:
UNC Wilmington
Hofstra
Drexel

Possible additions if they don't go FBS
Liberty

I'm not sure UNCW would like being so isolated. Also not sure if Drexel/Hofstra add much to the conference, just not sure who else would be a good addition. If Richmond or Mason would want to join for basketball they could be removed IMO.

I think this is a good size, 9 football teams mean you play each one once, and 10 basketball teams let you play each twice.

The conference is mostly the schools that have rivalries or similar academics, to me schools like Albany/Stony Brook/Elon/Maine/UNH/URI/Northeastern aren't good matchups for WM or the other mid atlantic schools. I would get more excited to play VMI, Lehigh, Lafayette or even Liberty than I would any of those. Plus, it has a more stable membership base, unlike the current CAA which has very different football and basketball lineups, which I dislike.

For the conference basketball tournament, DC/Baltimore/Philly would probably be an ideal location. All those cities have good venues, too.
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(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Other than the expectation of JMU leaving, who exactly at this point would leave the CAA - and to go where?

I do think Yeager built a pretty solid resume heading up the CAA and you have to give him credit for stabilizing, as he calls it, the conference during a very tough transition a few years ago. I think he showed good foresight, adding solid members from both North and South - and making sure he kept football as the keystone of expansion. It's the card he has to play against the CAAs primary stalker, the A10.
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Saw in the Daily Press this morning that the Atlantic Coast Coference reported over $302 MILLION in "revenue" for the 2013 -2014 tax year, ACC Commissioner, John Swofford, was paid over $2 MILLION in salary for that year. The ACC is organized as a non-profit. The "revenue" is distributed, by some formula, to the member schools.

The commissioner job sounds like a pretty good gig - probably has to attend 200+ Tailgates per year and is paid to do so!!!
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I think Yeager made 400k last year
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"Retiring CAA commissioner Tom Yeager has earned more tranquil sailing", David Teel
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/william...tml#page=1
A gymnast during his undergraduate days at Springfield College in Massachusetts, Yeager is a strong voice for all student-athletes — he takes that oft-mocked term quite seriously. He recognizes the overriding popularity of football and men's basketball, but doesn't believe schools should write blank checks to cater to them.

As a diehard boater and sailor, Yeager understands prevailing winds. He knew college athletics was drifting toward cost-of-attendance scholarships and autonomy for the five power conferences, but refused to join the chorus.

"We're not going to tilt the balance to some high-profile students at the expense of all other students in the financial aid area," Yeager said earlier this year, "when they already have the best financial aid packages on campus to start with."

All 10 CAA schools opposed the autonomy measure last year, votes Yeager described as "kind of a protest march, a few guys standing on the street corner holding up signs. At the same time, they have a very strong belief that this is the wrong direction for higher education and they don't want to just rubber-stamp the process."

Dave Fairbank ‏@FairbankOBX 2h2 hours ago
Comrade Teel with a darn fine piece on outgoing #CAA commish and aspiring water taxi driver Tom Yeager.

Hear, hear! We can only hope his successor's values are similarly aligned, which has been in sync with William & Mary core values.
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The "card" that the CAA will be able to play will be the strength of the sports not called football and basketball.

The trick will be how to stay strong in those areas, and still be able to compete in hoops and football.

Of course, finding like-minded institutions ....
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(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Agreed.
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(06-19-2015 08:40 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Agreed.

and where will these schools go? Like it or not, the strength of the CAA is that there aren't any other decent options out there for the remaining schools.

-W&M could always go to the Patriot if needed, but why?
-JMU kinda maybe wants FBS, but who really knows what the brain trust wants
-UD seems to be content with no upward ambition

As long as those 3 are in the CAA, no one is leaving. UNCW would go where? NE school maybe could try to break away, but for what? The NEC?
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(06-19-2015 09:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(06-19-2015 08:40 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Agreed.

and where will these schools go? Like it or not, the strength of the CAA is that there aren't any other decent options out there for the remaining schools.

-W&M could always go to the Patriot if needed, but why?
-JMU kinda maybe wants FBS, but who really knows what the brain trust wants
-UD seems to be content with no upward ambition

As long as those 3 are in the CAA, no one is leaving. UNCW would go where? NE school maybe could try to break away, but for what? The NEC?

Exactly. The CAA has been poached and raided several times before, if these schools wanted to leave they could've easily done so by now.

Plus, it's still the top east coast FCS conference, and if needed it could grab schools from the Big South, SoCon, Ohio Valley, NEC, Patriot, or whoever.
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(06-19-2015 08:40 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Agreed.

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(06-19-2015 09:48 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(06-19-2015 08:40 AM)mainejeff Wrote:  
(06-12-2015 10:10 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  The cynic in me thinks there's about to be a lot of schools leaving the CAA soon and Yeager is getting out while he can.

Agreed.

and where will these schools go? Like it or not, the strength of the CAA is that there aren't any other decent options out there for the remaining schools.

-W&M could always go to the Patriot if needed, but why?
-JMU kinda maybe wants FBS, but who really knows what the brain trust wants
-UD seems to be content with no upward ambition

As long as those 3 are in the CAA, no one is leaving. UNCW would go where? NE school maybe could try to break away, but for what? The NEC?

Agreed.
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