(05-28-2015 08:09 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:07 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  Nowhere near the level of Idaho, but it looks like SoBama baseball and App St basketball might have some cumulative issues.

Rolling multi-year APR
South Alabama baseball - 934
Troy football - 937
Troy men's tennis - 936

There aren't issues for USA. Our baseball APR has improved the past two years (and isnt below 930). The 934 in baseball is our lowest score of any sport. If the point was to call out our "low APR" don't forget your football and tennis with similar scores. Again, there are no APR issues at USA.

I was more referring to the previous 912, 912, and 918 scores. You guys have done well to bring it up this past year. No need need to cry in your fruity pebbles this morning.

Notice my initial post said might. I'm well aware of Troy's steadily climbing football APR. I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about our football APR a few years ago.

I'm not a Troy fan because of wins and losses.

(05-27-2015 08:49 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 08:45 PM)ButlerGSU Wrote:  I try not to post personal opinions but what does Idaho add to the conference?

A football team until we get to where we want to be.

They're APR only affects us as far as the football team goes. I just wanted to know why a CUSA/MWC fan even cares.

I think once the decision about min # of teams for a CGG gets settled, you will see the SBC decided on the best way to move forward. If I am not mistaken, the SBC can decided not to invite back Idaho and NMSU for either the 2017 or 18 season. SBC fan would be probably know the answer.

(05-28-2015 08:17 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 08:09 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 07:07 AM)Hemi Man Wrote:  Nowhere near the level of Idaho, but it looks like SoBama baseball and App St basketball might have some cumulative issues.

Rolling multi-year APR
South Alabama baseball - 934
Troy football - 937
Troy men's tennis - 936

There aren't issues for USA. Our baseball APR has improved the past two years (and isnt below 930). The 934 in baseball is our lowest score of any sport. If the point was to call out our "low APR" don't forget your football and tennis with similar scores. Again, there are no APR issues at USA.

I was more referring to the previous 912, 912, and 918 scores. You guys have done well to bring it up this past year. No need need to cry in your fruity pebbles this morning.

Notice my initial post said might. I'm well aware of Troy's steadily climbing football APR. I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about our football APR a few years ago.

I'm not a Troy fan because of wins and losses.

I prefer Honey Nut Cheerios!

Idaho really needs to consider just going back to FCS. I think they could compete there. They are going to have a hard time ever competing in FBS. Their facilities are lackluster, their location makes recruiting difficult, and they are completely overshadowed by Boise State in a state that rarely crosses anyone's mind anyway.

All schools in the G5 have major hurdles to success, but Idaho's are probably the largest and I just don't see any way they can overcome them.

Look like there will be some changes starting the next academic year 2015-2016.
NCAA:
"Currently, teams must earn a 930 four-year average APR or a 940 average over the most recent two years to participate in NCAA championships. In 2015-16 and beyond, teams must earn a four-year APR of 930 to compete in championships."

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/rese...-explained

So it will be just a straight 4 year average. I take that to mean if a team even though they score a 980 for the upcoming year, if it doesn't put them over threshold for 4 years they still are banned from post season.

Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

Folks, remember it's not necessarily dummies and slackers but transfers without degree progress that drag down an APR.

I don't understand how it seems to hit the G5 more than the P5 ( or I guess I do understand - politics ).

But when there's coaching turnover and when orphans go without a conference, there are a number of athletes that transfer and those hit APR.

(05-28-2015 11:15 AM)DoubleAggie Wrote:  Folks, remember it's not necessarily dummies and slackers but transfers without degree progress that drag down an APR.

I don't understand how it seems to hit the G5 more than the P5 ( or I guess I do understand - politics ).

But when there's coaching turnover and when orphans go without a conference, there are a number of athletes that transfer and those hit APR.

Look the example give on the NCAA Website at the bottom of the page.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/rese...-explained
Transfers hurt but not as much because credit is given for be academically eligible. Also, the APR only applies to student receiving an athletic scholarship.

(05-28-2015 10:34 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

But we added them to get a title game!

(05-28-2015 11:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:34 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

But we added them to get a title game!

We added them to stay above 8 football teams during the GaSo and App St move up period. They served their purpose, unless the serve another one, end the relationship.

(05-28-2015 12:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:34 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

But we added them to get a title game!

We added them to stay above 8 football teams during the GaSo and App St move up period. They served their purpose, unless the serve another one, end the relationship.

They were added with NMSU, GS, and APP because with WKU still in the league we were at 12 members and could hold a championship game that was touted to GS and APP. The league didn't expect WKU to leave.

I would almost prefer Liberty to Idaho. Almost.

(05-28-2015 11:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:34 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

But we added them to get a title game!

Sorry Western had to screw that up....

and leave you with a dead weight but I don't know how the SBC didn't see Western moving on. We should have been gone with the muts...2 weeks before they said muts/FAU it was Western and muts

No worries...water under the bridge. Hopefully there will be a contingency plan in place from here on out.

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(05-28-2015 12:14 PM)Usajags Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 11:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-28-2015 10:34 AM)DrGonzo Wrote:  Expel the Vandals already. Good grief.

But we added them to get a title game!

We added them to stay above 8 football teams during the GaSo and App St move up period. They served their purpose, unless the serve another one, end the relationship.

Incorrect. As associate members they never counted toward the 8 and the grace period applied anyway. They were added to get to 12 because WKU was still in.

(05-27-2015 10:48 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:03 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 09:16 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I can't see how there won't be penalties, which will only make it harder to build that program back up. Recruiting to Idaho has to be tough. And if you can't sell a possibility of bowl eligibility then it's tougher. And if there are scholarship reductions then it's only that much harder.

I guess you're right if you mean Idaho as in Idaho and not Idaho as in Boise State.

Recruiting to Boise wasn't always easy. A gimmicky blue field and a little on the field success later and it has become a lot easier. Let Boise have some down years and see if that remains the case.

Last time I looked (a couple years ago) Boise mostly recruited 3 star guys and then a really good job coaching them up. A lot of their recruiting classes were in the 60s and 70s and they were still winning.

Quote:The league didn't expect WKU to leave.

Obviously the league needs to take a page from Troy's AD and read CSNBBS because everyone here knew what was going on.

NM

(05-28-2015 07:15 PM)LR Eagle Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:48 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:03 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 09:16 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I can't see how there won't be penalties, which will only make it harder to build that program back up. Recruiting to Idaho has to be tough. And if you can't sell a possibility of bowl eligibility then it's tougher. And if there are scholarship reductions then it's only that much harder.

I guess you're right if you mean Idaho as in Idaho and not Idaho as in Boise State.

Recruiting to Boise wasn't always easy. A gimmicky blue field and a little on the field success later and it has become a lot easier. Let Boise have some down years and see if that remains the case.

Last time I looked (a couple years ago) Boise mostly recruited 3 star guys and then a really good job coaching them up. A lot of their recruiting classes were in the 60s and 70s and they were still winning.

That's mostly the case. Their classes are typically a majority (20+) 3 star with a few 4 star guys sprinkled in. Contrast that with the Sunbelt where almost no team has a majority of their signings as a 3 star (usually around 10 is the best you'll see) and anything above that is pretty rare. In regards to overall recruiting rankings, Boise is usually around tops in the G5 and beats out most cellar dweller P5s.

(05-27-2015 10:48 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 10:03 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(05-27-2015 09:16 PM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  I can't see how there won't be penalties, which will only make it harder to build that program back up. Recruiting to Idaho has to be tough. And if you can't sell a possibility of bowl eligibility then it's tougher. And if there are scholarship reductions then it's only that much harder.

I guess you're right if you mean Idaho as in Idaho and not Idaho as in Boise State.

Recruiting to Boise wasn't always easy. A gimmicky blue field and a little on the field success later and it has become a lot easier. Let Boise have some down years and see if that remains the case.

I seem to recall, and I am not looking it up to confirm again, that Boise has been very successful at every level of football.