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OSU was the team gaining ground all year long, and in the end THE OSU has more clout than Baylor, Texas Christian. We saw the same thing with BAMA vs OkSU. The only Big XII teams that would have possibly been picked over OSU were not good last year, Texas, and Oklahoma. The championship issue was a convenient reason to do what they were going to do anyway.
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(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.
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(05-01-2015 01:47 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
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(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

West Virginia joined the Big 12 knowing they would be an outlier. It is not like the Big 12 promised them anything, other than a lot of money.

All these conference moves are about money. Going to 12 would mean that the Big 12 would need to add at least $40 million annually in revenue to keep expansion revenue neutral. No school wants to lose money in expansion.

None of these G5 candidates for expansion are going to entice ESPN and Fox to increase their annual payout by $40 million or more. I just don't see how any addition to the Big 12 is really can help WVU. They are going to be in the air a lot.

Wouldn't the payout be in the form of making the playoffs?

If they believe that the only thing stopping them from the playoffs was a Championship Game, then adding 2 gets them the extra game and then the playoff money.

That's the theory at least.

The payout for each team that makes the playoffs is $6 million per conference, plus $2 million for expenses. The CCG is worth something, maybe as much $10 million? Doesn't quite get the Big 12 to $40 million. I just don't see Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis or UCF doing much for either ESPN or Fox.
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(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

From that post of his you'd swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself. In reality, he just likes talking out of his ass.
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(05-01-2015 02:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

From that post of his you'd swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself. In reality, he just likes talking out of his ass.

To be honest how is that all that different from everyone on here....except the two of us?
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(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...

The P5 already has separation from the G5, deregulation is not going to hurt us any more at this point. What many people are assuming is it will mean more conference realignment in the traditional or historical way. I think that assumption is shortsighted because once deregulation happens and I think it will eventually, you could see a push from the top of the G5 to separate from the bottom and create another buffer between the top and bottom of FBS Football.

Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.
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(05-01-2015 02:50 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

From that post of his you'd swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself. In reality, he just likes talking out of his ass.

To be honest how is that all that different from everyone on here....except the two of us?

Well, speaking for me personally, my comments can usually be divided into two clear categories.......opinions and facts.

For instance. It's just my opinion that one would swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself while it's clearly a fact that he likes to talk out of his ass.

Hope that clears this up.
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(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?
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(05-01-2015 03:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?

I asm not crazy cajun, though it has been argued that I am A crazy cajun. lol
What happens to the Purdues and Iowa States and Kentuckys? Simple. The 'no scheduling of below 60' will only apply to non-conference games against G5 teams. That way, Alabama can schedule Purdue with impunity, but not a G5 rated higher than Purdue, but below 60.

The bigger question is who the Purdues and Kentuckys can schedule OOC and still have a shot at winning if that rule is enforced?
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(05-01-2015 04:51 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 03:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?

I asm not crazy cajun, though it has been argued that I am A crazy cajun. lol
What happens to the Purdues and Iowa States and Kentuckys? Simple. The 'no scheduling of below 60' will only apply to non-conference games against G5 teams. That way, Alabama can schedule Purdue with impunity, but not a G5 rated higher than Purdue, but below 60.

The bigger question is who the Purdues and Kentuckys can schedule OOC and still have a shot at winning if that rule is enforced?

Yeah, there are plenty of p5 teams that will need to pad their win totals with subpar G5 teams. I don't see the p5 scheduling only upper tier G5 schools anytime soon.
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(05-01-2015 04:51 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 03:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?

I asm not crazy cajun, though it has been argued that I am A crazy cajun. lol
What happens to the Purdues and Iowa States and Kentuckys? Simple. The 'no scheduling of below 60' will only apply to non-conference games against G5 teams. That way, Alabama can schedule Purdue with impunity, but not a G5 rated higher than Purdue, but below 60.

The bigger question is who the Purdues and Kentuckys can schedule OOC and still have a shot at winning if that rule is enforced?

That won't fly. The thing about that schedule is that while it might sound great, schools like Purdue would essentially be doomed to never make a bowl.

As it is, the Boilermakers can play 4 G5 schools OOC, win all 4, and know they need just 2 league wins to be bowl eligible. Imagine them being told they could only schedule P5's and Top G5's. They'd never be able to get eligible with such a schedule, and would start losing money.
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(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

You're right. It wouldn't. My bad.
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(05-01-2015 02:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

From that post of his you'd swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself. In reality, he just likes talking out of his ass.

I offered my opinion of how I see this situation shaping up. I wasn't even rude to ULL. I think it is more bad luck for you guys that this CCG issue has come up right when the UAB situation is about to be settled. I didn't mean that to be taken in a derogatory way.
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(05-01-2015 08:29 PM)BRtransgender Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:45 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:08 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransgender Wrote:  If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

I am not sure how an invite to the Big 12 for Memphis from the AAC makes stAte a candidate for CUSA.

From that post of his you'd swear he'd been appointed Realignment Czar by Britton himself. In reality, he just likes talking out of his ass.

I offered my opinion of how I see this situation shaping up. I wasn't even rude to ULL. I think it is more bad luck for you guys that this CCG issue has come up right when the UAB situation is about to be settled. I didn't mean that to be taken in a derogatory way.

Your logic certainly makes perfect sense.
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(05-01-2015 05:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 04:51 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 03:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?

I asm not crazy cajun, though it has been argued that I am A crazy cajun. lol
What happens to the Purdues and Iowa States and Kentuckys? Simple. The 'no scheduling of below 60' will only apply to non-conference games against G5 teams. That way, Alabama can schedule Purdue with impunity, but not a G5 rated higher than Purdue, but below 60.

The bigger question is who the Purdues and Kentuckys can schedule OOC and still have a shot at winning if that rule is enforced?

That won't fly. The thing about that schedule is that while it might sound great, schools like Purdue would essentially be doomed to never make a bowl.

As it is, the Boilermakers can play 4 G5 schools OOC, win all 4, and know they need just 2 league wins to be bowl eligible. Imagine them being told they could only schedule P5's and Top G5's. They'd never be able to get eligible with such a schedule, and would start losing money.

That's your opinion, I don't see the lost revenue at all if a coalition of the Top 30 G5 work together on cross conference scheduling and sell it to ESPN. There would be no lost revenue, but it requires some thinking outside the box.
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(05-01-2015 03:25 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 02:59 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 10:12 PM)GeauxUL Wrote:  I agree, not so sure the deregulation happens either...
Remember this, eventually the P5 will move to stop all scheduling of programs that are not in the Top 60 RPI. This will make it difficult for G5 members to schedule games with the top members of the P5. Under deregulation, building a coalition of the Top G5 programs for scheduling purposes would be allowed. That may be our future or fight in the near future to remain somewhat relevant in FBS Football.

Interesting comments and concept CC. When you use the phrase, building a coalition of top G5 programs, exactly what are you implying...........some type of conference arrangement, a scheduling arrangement, something else althogether?

Also, there are of course many P5's who rarely make Top 60 RPI's. What happens to them in your view?

Nothing happens to any program in the P5 that is not in the Top 60 RPI now because they exist in the P5 already. Without regulation there would be nothing to stop any type of scheduling arrangement between a coalition of Top 30 G5 programs. In fact, it has been mentioned in the past or suggested in several articles, but has quietly faded from discussion over the past few years.
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(05-01-2015 02:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
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(05-01-2015 12:53 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

West Virginia joined the Big 12 knowing they would be an outlier. It is not like the Big 12 promised them anything, other than a lot of money.

All these conference moves are about money. Going to 12 would mean that the Big 12 would need to add at least $40 million annually in revenue to keep expansion revenue neutral. No school wants to lose money in expansion.

None of these G5 candidates for expansion are going to entice ESPN and Fox to increase their annual payout by $40 million or more. I just don't see how any addition to the Big 12 is really can help WVU. They are going to be in the air a lot.

Wouldn't the payout be in the form of making the playoffs?

If they believe that the only thing stopping them from the playoffs was a Championship Game, then adding 2 gets them the extra game and then the playoff money.

That's the theory at least.

The payout for each team that makes the playoffs is $6 million per conference, plus $2 million for expenses. The CCG is worth something, maybe as much $10 million? Doesn't quite get the Big 12 to $40 million. I just don't see Houston, Cincinnati, Memphis or UCF doing much for either ESPN or Fox.

Maybe like this: If they add the right states and Launch the Big 12 Channel.

Big 12 Channel Launches and demands "basic" tier carriage. Big 12 holds enough demand in each state so that nearly All providers offer it.

Wholesale revenue per house hold in each of those households in a given state is what? SEC is roughly $1.40. So lets just say it is $1.00 for argument's sake.

Average residents per house is about 2.63 http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Cin (OH) = Population (11.59 Million) = about 4.4 Million households
BYU (UT) = Population (2.934 Million) (# of people per Household likely higher than any other state due to Big Love? 04-jawdrop = less households % wise???) = probably not 1.1 Million households.
Boise State(ID)= Population = 1.634 Million = about 621 thousand households
Populations in other states:
State/population/#of households
LA = 4.65Million = about 1.76Million
TN = 6.549 = about 2.5Million
VA = 8.326 = 3.16Million
KY = 4.413 = about 1.6Million
GA = 10.1 = 3.84Million
AR = 2.966 = 1.13 Million households
AL = 4.849 = 1.84Million
FL = 19.89!!!!= 7.56Million!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This is why the Big12 MIGHT pay to buy out a FSU or Miami!)

Now consider that maybe 84% of these households are pay TV service subscribers
http://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2014/09/...tv-service

MONTHLY REVENUES from NEW STATES at a rate of only about 2/3 of the SEC deal (and it might be more than this) would mean the following revenues for the BIG12 Network which would be partnered with a major producer like ESPN - so there is that to figure in/ but remember that most of these are games not carried by the regular ESPN and it is year round/ 24/7 coverage of all things BIG12 so it really shouldn't subtract from any current ESPN deal money. But ESPN will keep a portion. How much? Who knows. Let's say it is 50% for fun and see where the numbers are.

Per State added:
Total revenue is figured here like this (84% of households x $1.00)


List below:
Total revenue / 50%/Per Year

Cin (OH) = 3.69 Mill/ 1.845 Mill Per month = $22.14 Mill per Year.
BYU (UT) = .924 Mill/ .462 Mill per month = $6.6 Mill per Year
BSU(ID)= .52164 Mill/ .26082 Mill per month= $3.13 Mill per Year
Populations in other states:
LA =1.4784 Mill/ .7392 Mill Per month = $8.87 Mill per Year.
TN = $2.5 Mill/ $1.25 Mill Per month = $15.0 Mill per Year.
VA = 2.6544Mill/ 1.3272Mill Per month = $15.93Mill per Year.
KY = 1.344Million/ $.672 Mill per month = $ 8.064Mill per Year
GA = 3.22Mill/ $1.6 per month = $19.4 Mill per year
AR = .95Mill/ $.475Mill per month = $ 5.7 Mill per year
AL =1.5456Million/ .7728Mill per month = $ 9.27Mill per year
FL = 6.35Million/ $3.1752 Mill per month = $38.10Mill per year

Strange that the Longhorn network may in fact be what kills the big 12 IF all the other P5 conferences launch their own and the BIG 12 doesn't.
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Well I had a big sports package though Cox, and when the LongHorn network first came on line it was part of my package. This January Cox expected me to pay additional for the LHN, and I can live just fine without it. Right now it is simply taking up room on my guide.

Texas and Oklahoma are the Big XII. If either or both leave the Big XII would then stand worse than the Big East ever was. Either will get whatever they want, especially Texas. The dumb thing about that is that both would be better off if the other schools could rise to truly compete at the national level, yet greed and turf will prevent this.
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(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Big 12 expansion would be great news for the Sun Belt Conference. It would completely change how CUSA looks at replacing UAB. If it happens, Big 12 expansion will have helped to create a new 12 member CUSA. Everything will hinge on who the Big 12 adds.

If the Big 12 adds Houston, then UTSA will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance Texas State's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Cincy, then Marshall will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance JMU's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

If USM is added to the AAC, then USA's chances at CUSA would be greatly enhanced.

ULL's luck in realignment will remain unchanged, as this Big 12 development will probably cost them any shot they had at CUSA membership.

My gut tells me that when the dust settles, JMU will have been added to CUSA and the SBC will remain unchanged.
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(05-04-2015 01:42 PM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Big 12 expansion would be great news for the Sun Belt Conference. It would completely change how CUSA looks at replacing UAB. If it happens, Big 12 expansion will have helped to create a new 12 member CUSA. Everything will hinge on who the Big 12 adds.

If the Big 12 adds Houston, then UTSA will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance Texas State's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Cincy, then Marshall will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance JMU's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

If USM is added to the AAC, then USA's chances at CUSA would be greatly enhanced.

ULL's luck in realignment will remain unchanged, as this Big 12 development will probably cost them any shot they had at CUSA membership.

My gut tells me that when the dust settles, JMU will have been added to CUSA and the SBC will remain unchanged.

the b12 is not about to add any of those schools. byu is the only program out there that is near b12 level and they have not seemed interested..and utsa is certainly not going to the aac before rice or marshall or usm..all much better programs.
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