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(05-01-2015 09:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  In the end the B12 will get champ game with 10. In the end the B12 will not make more $$ than the B10 nor SEC. And the other p5 schools have no desire to move up even more G5 schools to P5 status. Once the B12 signs its new deal expansion is over at P5 level until next round of TV deals.

Big12 expansion doesn't have to involve G5
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(05-01-2015 08:50 AM)Farmer Jack Wrote:  I'm not saying that you're wrong, but the chances we go to the Big 12 are actually a lot higher than you think.

I don't mean it to sound like I'm hating on UH... Because honestly I'm not.

I just don't see any way that it makes any form of sense. (believe me, I say the same thing about Texas State to CUSA/MWC).

What are the pieces that make you a legit candidate? The only thing I can come up with is that there is history via the SWC, which was 20 years ago.
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Marshall will not get the call. We take Props and the AAC doesn't allow it. Plus, our athletic budget doesn't really fit the profile for the AAC. TV market does, but there are too many negatives for the AAC I'm afraid. Furthermore, we'd have to build our baseball stadium.

If Memphis and Cincy go, it'll most likely be UTSA and ODU/JMU

Memphis and Cincy contribute more to the Big 12 football picture than Kansas and ISU.
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(04-30-2015 09:09 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I'm not so sure chief. The other conferences have nothing to gain by pushing this through.

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Sure they do. Flexibility. Every business prefers to have it. The other conferences don't know the future either and they would prefer any future expansion or contraction plans be voluntary and under their exclusive control. Twelve is an arbitrary number. I prefer we either got 12 or drop to 10 but there is no real reason to require 12 for a championship game.
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(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Big 12 expansion would be great news for the Sun Belt Conference. It would completely change how CUSA looks at replacing UAB. If it happens, Big 12 expansion will have helped to create a new 12 member CUSA. Everything will hinge on who the Big 12 adds.

If the Big 12 adds Houston, then UTSA will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance Texas State's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Cincy, then Marshall will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance JMU's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

If USM is added to the AAC, then USA's chances at CUSA would be greatly enhanced.

ULL's luck in realignment will remain unchanged, as this Big 12 development will probably cost them any shot they had at CUSA membership.

My gut tells me that when the dust settles, JMU will have been added to CUSA and the SBC will remain unchanged.

If UH leaves to the Big 12, Rice has a great chance to get in AAC and will move to make it happen. The admin is not happy with CUSA.
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(05-01-2015 09:33 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 09:09 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I'm not so sure chief. The other conferences have nothing to gain by pushing this through.

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Sure they do. Flexibility. Every business prefers to have it. The other conferences don't know the future either and they would prefer any future expansion or contraction plans be voluntary and under their exclusive control. Twelve is an arbitrary number. I prefer we either got 12 or drop to 10 but there is no real reason to require 12 for a championship game.

To me it does not make any sense for the other P5's to vote to get the teams down to 10. I have stated the simplest solution for the Big 12 would be to offer Boise St and BYU football only membership. This would cause the least disruption. Boise St moves to the WCC for olympic sports. This move basically moves two teams to the P5 and removes to G5 voting teams. MWC probably takes UTEP and CUSA can say at 12 since they are likely to put UAB.
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(05-01-2015 09:33 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  
(04-30-2015 09:09 PM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  I'm not so sure chief. The other conferences have nothing to gain by pushing this through.

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Sure they do. Flexibility. Every business prefers to have it. The other conferences don't know the future either and they would prefer any future expansion or contraction plans be voluntary and under their exclusive control. Twelve is an arbitrary number. I prefer we either got 12 or drop to 10 but there is no real reason to require 12 for a championship game.

The other 3 conferences hold all the cards, they could push this through whenever they want.. No need to let it happen now. You don't need flexibility when you control everything, make them go to 12 for CCG, each team gets less money and presumably the big12 gets weaker from perception. Win win for the other 3 conferences.
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(04-30-2015 09:04 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  12 isnt expanding

Deregulation will allow 10 team title games. Memphis and Cincy don't help their football situation.

No, but any 2 of BYU, Boise State, or UCF does.
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First, I believe they are going to be allowed to have a CCG without 12 members.

But if that doesn't happen, we are talking expansion of the Big 12.

When considering who they might be taking a look at, the model set with the SEC network doesn't need to be overlooked.

The Longhorn Network may be standing in the way of an acutal similar BIG 12 Network Channel and I'm unsure of the details on the Big 10 network, but I'm guessing it is much like the SEC Network.

From a $ standpoint in relation to a deal like the SEC Network, I'd quickly eliminate most teams hailing from a state that already have a BIG 12 program. The SEC is around $1.40 wholesale to nearly every TV subscribed household in a state as it is required to be on "Basic" for all providers who carry it. That's why population/households matter in this model. Taking Houston ,for example, does NOTHING for the BIG 12 in this area.

Next I'd compare population/number of households in the remaining states that members might be considered from. And then evaluate the programs from only the States with big numbers.

With TV contracts (with huge Conference Network channel payouts) driving the ship and ability to compete/power rankings taking the lead over actual market of the town a school is in - we might see some surprise names getting bounced around.

Obviously the ACC programs like FSU are going to get talked about again, but with the huge buyouts required and the likely hood of an ACC Channel, there might not be any traction for the BIG12 to take programs from the ACC anymore. So that leaves the G5 or independents.

Just something to consider. I've never looked up the numbers of many of the AAC programs to see which would be eliminated or front runners in their ranks in this area. Would be interesting.

It is unfortunate that a G5 Network channel couldn't force it self onto Basic packages since demand for viewers wouldn't be high enough that a provider would fear a large % of the subscribers would change providers just to get it. So at best, we could probably hope for a sports tier and a lot less per sub at that.
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(05-01-2015 11:21 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  First, I believe they are going to be allowed to have a CCG without 12 members.

But if that doesn't happen, we are talking expansion of the Big 12.

When considering who they might be taking a look at, the model set with the SEC network doesn't need to be overlooked.

The Longhorn Network may be standing in the way of an acutal similar BIG 12 Network Channel and I'm unsure of the details on the Big 10 network, but I'm guessing it is much like the SEC Network.

From a $ standpoint in relation to a deal like the SEC Network, I'd quickly eliminate most teams hailing from a state that already have a BIG 12 program. The SEC is around $1.40 wholesale to nearly every TV subscribed household in a state as it is required to be on "Basic" for all providers who carry it. That's why population/households matter in this model. Taking Houston ,for example, does NOTHING for the BIG 12 in this area.

Next I'd compare population/number of households in the remaining states that members might be considered from. And then evaluate the programs from only the States with big numbers.

With TV contracts (with huge Conference Network channel payouts) driving the ship and ability to compete/power rankings taking the lead over actual market of the town a school is in - we might see some surprise names getting bounced around.

Obviously the ACC programs like FSU are going to get talked about again, but with the huge buyouts required and the likely hood of an ACC Channel, there might not be and traction for the BIG12 to take programs from the ACC anymore.

Just something to consider. I've never looked up the numbers of many of the AAC programs to see which would be eliminated or front runners in their ranks in this area. Would be interesting.

Because of this reasoning I feel like the top contenders could be BYU, Colorado St and Cincinnati. Big 12 would need the strongest brands they could get in populated states and those 3 fit the bill. ACC, SEC, Big10 & PAC schools aren't moving to the Big 12 for any reason so AAC, MWC and BYU are the places to shop.
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(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Big 12 expansion would be great news for the Sun Belt Conference. It would completely change how CUSA looks at replacing UAB. If it happens, Big 12 expansion will have helped to create a new 12 member CUSA. Everything will hinge on who the Big 12 adds.

If the Big 12 adds Houston, then UTSA will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance Texas State's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Cincy, then Marshall will replace them in the AAC. That would greatly enhance JMU's chances at CUSA.

If the Big 12 adds Memphis, Ark St would at least become a long shot for CUSA.

If USM is added to the AAC, then USA's chances at CUSA would be greatly enhanced.

ULL's luck in realignment will remain unchanged, as this Big 12 development will probably cost them any shot they had at CUSA membership.

My gut tells me that when the dust settles, JMU will have been added to CUSA and the SBC will remain unchanged.

I aint trading CUSA Membership for Memphis moving to the Big 12. Memphis in the Big 12 would really hurt our recruiting. I'd much rather both teams stay in their present leagues.
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West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .
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(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

I keep hearing WVU isn't happy, so what are they going to do if the B12 were to do a proposal of BYU and Bosie for football only? Are they going to leave the B12? ACC already turned them down and it is not like the SEC needs them. Where are they going to go? WVU put themselves on an island to save themselves, I imagine the other B12 teams would be willing to let them bolt after they pay the GOR.
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(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

West Virginia joined the Big 12 knowing they would be an outlier. It is not like the Big 12 promised them anything, other than a lot of money.

All these conference moves are about money. Going to 12 would mean that the Big 12 would need to add at least $40 million annually in revenue to keep expansion revenue neutral. No school wants to lose money in expansion.

None of these G5 candidates for expansion are going to entice ESPN and Fox to increase their annual payout by $40 million or more. I just don't see how any addition to the Big 12 is really can help WVU. They are going to be in the air a lot.
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Won't happen. As far as I know, the P5's don't do Football only, do they? And it is true that WVU isn't happy being on an island, so that's why I see Cincy and Memphis being the bridge to Ames and Kansas. BYU does NOTHING on Sundays and I think this will hurt them.
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(05-01-2015 08:10 AM)BRtransgender Wrote:  ULL's luck in realignment will remain unchanged, as this Big 12 development will probably cost them any shot they had at CUSA membership.

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(05-01-2015 12:53 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  Won't happen. As far as I know, the P5's don't do Football only, do they? And it is true that WVU isn't happy being on an island, so that's why I see Cincy and Memphis being the bridge to Ames and Kansas. BYU does NOTHING on Sundays and I think this will hurt them.

Currently, there is no "P5 rule" that prohibits football only. FBS conferences may have football only teams. AAC has this with Navy and SB with Idaho and NMSU. The only rule is you can't have a football only conference. Does the B12 have a rule like CUSA that all schools must have Olympic teams, I would need a B12 expert to answer that. In addition, what scenario is Sunday going to come into play for BYU for football? CFP does not happen Sundays. I believe Go Daddy was the only bowl I was aware of Sunday which does not include BYU.

I am not saying a BYU/Boise is ever going to happen but it would be a far more cost effective solution for the B12. It is not like these teams are not already traveling for football. The football only portion would allow those teams a smaller payout from the rest of the B12 but a huge increase in what they currently make where they are at now. IMHO, this is a Win/Win scenario all around for the B12. Two high profile teams in football and no travel impact for non-football. From a TV perspective, Boise and BYU probably are the two best known G5 teams to a national TV audience.
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(05-01-2015 12:53 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

West Virginia joined the Big 12 knowing they would be an outlier. It is not like the Big 12 promised them anything, other than a lot of money.

All these conference moves are about money. Going to 12 would mean that the Big 12 would need to add at least $40 million annually in revenue to keep expansion revenue neutral. No school wants to lose money in expansion.

None of these G5 candidates for expansion are going to entice ESPN and Fox to increase their annual payout by $40 million or more. I just don't see how any addition to the Big 12 is really can help WVU. They are going to be in the air a lot.

If Cincinnati is one of the two teams added WVU gets a close conference game plus if the Big 12 drops from 9 conference games to 8 WVU can add another home game or close road game each year to keep the faithful happy.

Really only BYU would add enough eyeballs to pay for itself so it would come down to how much revenue can the Big 12 get from adding a championship game.
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BYU is not going to change their ban on Sunday play, and the Big XII is not going to give them an exemption.
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(05-01-2015 12:53 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(05-01-2015 11:32 AM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  West Va. Isn't happy being an outlier . . . . IF the Big 12 goes the expansion route, they may want to pick up 1 school in W. Va.'s neighborhood . . . .

West Virginia joined the Big 12 knowing they would be an outlier. It is not like the Big 12 promised them anything, other than a lot of money.

All these conference moves are about money. Going to 12 would mean that the Big 12 would need to add at least $40 million annually in revenue to keep expansion revenue neutral. No school wants to lose money in expansion.

None of these G5 candidates for expansion are going to entice ESPN and Fox to increase their annual payout by $40 million or more. I just don't see how any addition to the Big 12 is really can help WVU. They are going to be in the air a lot.

Wouldn't the payout be in the form of making the playoffs?

If they believe that the only thing stopping them from the playoffs was a Championship Game, then adding 2 gets them the extra game and then the playoff money.

That's the theory at least.
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