I was told 8 of the 11 schools wanted double headers with men/women s games

UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues.

Probably not that bad - IF you partner like:

App/GaSo ( because of the Rivalry )
GaSt/UAB ( because of the proximity on the interstate )
Troy/USA

Or even:

App/UAB
GaSt/GaSo
Troy/USA

And the West:
ULL/ULM
ArkSt/UALR
UTA/TxSt

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

It won't complicate anything because they have not spoken to the SBC. They have spoken with the Missouri Valley Conference amongst others. But, it looks like they will get a one year reprieve in CUSA.

Really App didn't get screwed terribly. There are many rivalry games left unscheduled and when do you think they are going to be played?

(04-13-2015 06:25 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  I was told 8 of the 11 schools wanted double headers with men/women s games

We voted against it

(04-13-2015 07:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

I can't speak for UNO (just thought they made good regional sense), but you might want to do your homework before being too smug. Winthrop has enjoyed more success in basketball than Ark State - 9 NCAA trips to 1 (when your boys got whipped by 30) - and more trips to the NCAA baseball tournament. They've got a nice arena and their baseball & softball stadiums, track and field complex and soccer stadium blows the facilities in Jonesboro away.

(04-13-2015 08:49 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

It won't complicate anything because they have not spoken to the SBC. They have spoken with the Missouri Valley Conference amongst others. But, it looks like they will get a one year reprieve in CUSA.

It's not really a reprieve. It's just an eviction notice.

(04-13-2015 10:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

I can't speak for UNO (just thought they made good regional sense), but you might want to do your homework before being too smug. Winthrop has enjoyed more success in basketball than Ark State - 9 NCAA trips to 1 (when your boys got whipped by 30) - and more trips to the NCAA baseball tournament. They've got a nice arena and their baseball & softball stadiums, track and field complex and soccer stadium blows the facilities in Jonesboro away.

And they would not be able to support football in the SBC, meaning an add would be non football.

There is no way you would convince the Western Football schools to sign off on ANOTHER non football member. It won't matter how halfway decent their basketball and baseball programs are...this is a football league.

Considering the SBC basically kicked UNO out. We're not bringing them back.

(04-13-2015 10:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

I can't speak for UNO (just thought they made good regional sense), but you might want to do your homework before being too smug. Winthrop has enjoyed more success in basketball than Ark State - 9 NCAA trips to 1 (when your boys got whipped by 30) - and more trips to the NCAA baseball tournament. They've got a nice arena and their baseball & softball stadiums, track and field complex and soccer stadium blows the facilities in Jonesboro away.

And they would not be able to support football in the SBC, meaning an add would be non football.

There is no way you would convince the Western Football schools to sign off on ANOTHER non football member. It won't matter how halfway decent their basketball and baseball programs are...this is a football league.

Considering the SBC basically kicked UNO out. We're not bringing them back.

The thread is about App not having a decent travel partner for basketball and the olympic sports. You say the SB is a "football league", but in order to live up to that title we have members 2500 miles apart. Travel for olympic sports is bleeding the membership dry. With deregulation we no longer need 12 football members. Adding a few more non football schools and having two divisions is the best option for cutting costs.

(04-13-2015 01:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The best possible solution here is to insert the games against the traditional rivals on the Tuesday before team's play App State.

Not sure about the rest of the teams but that's how UL's schedule is set up. We have ULM at home on 2/2 (Tuesday) followed by a trip to Boone on 2/4. That is followed by a weekend off and we return home to play you guys on 2/11.

(04-14-2015 07:50 AM)CajunFan3406 Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 01:21 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The best possible solution here is to insert the games against the traditional rivals on the Tuesday before team's play App State.

Not sure about the rest of the teams but that's how UL's schedule is set up. We have ULM at home on 2/2 (Tuesday) followed by a trip to Boone on 2/4. That is followed by a weekend off and we return home to play you guys on 2/11.

If it was that simple, it would be set up that way for everyone. Our Trip to UALR is scheduled for that Tuesday, followed by a Saturday trip to App. However there are several games not scheduled left, including the UALR at ASU game. My guess is that their are arena availability issues...which could mean that some schools get unfortunate 3 game weeks.

(04-14-2015 06:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

I can't speak for UNO (just thought they made good regional sense), but you might want to do your homework before being too smug. Winthrop has enjoyed more success in basketball than Ark State - 9 NCAA trips to 1 (when your boys got whipped by 30) - and more trips to the NCAA baseball tournament. They've got a nice arena and their baseball & softball stadiums, track and field complex and soccer stadium blows the facilities in Jonesboro away.

And they would not be able to support football in the SBC, meaning an add would be non football.

There is no way you would convince the Western Football schools to sign off on ANOTHER non football member. It won't matter how halfway decent their basketball and baseball programs are...this is a football league.

Considering the SBC basically kicked UNO out. We're not bringing them back.

The thread is about App not having a decent travel partner for basketball and the olympic sports. You say the SB is a "football league", but in order to live up to that title we have members 2500 miles apart. Travel for olympic sports is bleeding the membership dry. With deregulation we no longer need 12 football members. Adding a few more non football schools and having two divisions is the best option for cutting costs.

Here they go again crying about the cost of travel at the FBS level. I'm sorry, prior to accepting your invite to this conference, Did you not get the memo that FBS Athletics would cost more?

And whom, specifically is . . . as you put it . . . being bled dry by travel costs?

And Hell No to any more non-football members . . .

This ain't FCS . . . Step UP or step BACK . . . . But for GAWD'S sake, stop the crying about travel cost . . . .

Oh, Welcome to Big Boy Athletics . . .

(04-14-2015 06:29 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:54 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 10:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:48 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(04-13-2015 07:46 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  UAB just complicates App's issues. If the Blazers were brought on board I'd like to see Winthrop and UNO brought in and break the conference into two 7 team divisions. Play everyone in your division twice, everyone in other division once. Flip the other division games everyother year. For a 29 game schedule you get 10 non conf games. One more than we have now.

East: App, Ga So, Ga St, S Al, Troy, UAB, Winthrop
West: Ark St, UALR, ULL, ULM, UNO, UTA, Texas St,

Winthrop and UNO?

You can find another league if you want those two in the same league as you.

I can't speak for UNO (just thought they made good regional sense), but you might want to do your homework before being too smug. Winthrop has enjoyed more success in basketball than Ark State - 9 NCAA trips to 1 (when your boys got whipped by 30) - and more trips to the NCAA baseball tournament. They've got a nice arena and their baseball & softball stadiums, track and field complex and soccer stadium blows the facilities in Jonesboro away.

And they would not be able to support football in the SBC, meaning an add would be non football.

There is no way you would convince the Western Football schools to sign off on ANOTHER non football member. It won't matter how halfway decent their basketball and baseball programs are...this is a football league.

Considering the SBC basically kicked UNO out. We're not bringing them back.

The thread is about App not having a decent travel partner for basketball and the olympic sports. You say the SB is a "football league", but in order to live up to that title we have members 2500 miles apart. Travel for olympic sports is bleeding the membership dry. With deregulation we no longer need 12 football members. Adding a few more non football schools and having two divisions is the best option for cutting costs.

The league isn't in cost cutting mode. Costs was a factor in scheduling last year, but it was the ridiculous thousand mile road trips in 48 hours that led to the league going to travel partners.

Besides, with the current schedule for next year, App State will spend less money on travel than everyone else. We'll all have random flights to Charlotte to schedule. You guys will get to fly to one place and bus to another.

John Brady fires a direct shot at Karl Benson over the basketball schedule. He's upset the league is leaving scheduling travel partner games to the Rival schools, and not setting it themselves.

"It would seem to me we would have to have a commissioner that is going to step in and say, this is when you're playing", Brady said." I can't, for the life of me, think of any league in America where they leave it up to two rivals to schedule a home game."

I read about half of this thread and skimmed over the rest: A few thoughts.

1. APP FANS---Shut up. Don't come crying and then be sanctimonious about no one gets screwed but you. Here are some facts:

When this was pretty much a two team basketball league (UL and WKU), the Cajuns, because the SBC kept re-doing the schedule, had to travel to WKU six times in nine years. And, we were only playing them once per season. Don't put your foot in your mouth by suggesting the Cajuns haven't been screwed because of scheduling.

And, there were FIVE GAMES IN A ROW last year when UL was playing a team coming off a bye. No other school had to go through that.

It is unfortunate it works out this way? yes. Would it be remedied with 12 teams instead of eleven? Yes.

But doing the schedule they way they did it last year, cost most schools an extra 60-80K in travel expenses for their men and women.

Here's the good news for App. You never have to play more than two in a row on the road or two in a row at home. It's as balanced as a schedule can be.

Did you see the Louisiana schools' schedules? UL plays App at home then on the road for four. Then they are home for seven out of eight and then have another four game road swing.

You got favorable treatment with the home/road thing. So, like I said, shut up.

DOUBLEHEADERS---It was voted to play the women Sat/Mon and the women's coaches went to the AD's and complained about the girls always having to use Sunday as a travel day. The AD's reconsidered and decided to keep the DH.

TWENTY GAME SCHEDULE--was a close vote. The argument was two fold for 20. 1) If you aren't going to bring all the teams to the conference tournament then everyone should play an equal schedule.

2) There is an auto bid for the regular season champion to the NIT if they don't win the tournament. Again, equality in scheduling.

There has been ALL KINDS of moaning and complaining about GS not having to play UL or ASU in football on the way to their championship. The same argument would be all over this board if basketball scheduling was unequal and the second place team had to play the third place team twice while the first place team got to play the last place team twice.

I'm not a proponent of the 20 game schedule, but the arguments for it have plenty of merit.

Oh, did I say for App fans to shut up?

Shut up. Yes, you're paired with bye. But you don't have any extended road swings.

NO.

(04-14-2015 11:47 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  There has been ALL KINDS of moaning and complaining about GS not having to play UL or ASU in football on the way to their championship. The same argument would be all over this board if basketball scheduling was unequal and the second place team had to play the third place team twice while the first place team got to play the last place team twice.

Have you been reading my diary?

(Actually, I don't think most of this board would give much of a shiz*z, but you make a great point...)

Quite frankly, I think the schedule is a step up from this past season's schedule. It is unfortunate that it works out we have no travel partner but that is out of our control at the moment. I really don't get all the whining, we certainly don't have the travel headaches we suffered through this past season.