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Also I don't see these top tier Sunbelt teams trying to schedule top tier CUSA teams. Lets schedule Apples to Apples like our home and home against ULL. IF GA Southern wants a piece of CUSA, let them take a piece from the top. Come play us or Marshall. How about a home and home with Rice. Let stAte play Rice or UTEP.
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(04-09-2015 04:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  "but when one conference is saying anytime, anyplace"

That's not what I took away from the GS piece. He was complaining no one wanted to come to Statesboro to play. He, like any other G5 program, can find all the 1-and-done agreements with the power conference teams they want (and would find takers in any G5 conference for 1-and-done deals as well), but none of the other G5's want to sign a return visit agreement to play in Statesboro. That's not "anytime, anyplace", that's whining that getting home games is hard.

All G5's struggle to get attractive out-of-conference home games. You're not unique.
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RE: Will CUSA's avoidance strategy of top Sun Belt teams hurt CUSA's reputation?
I think it is a smart strategy by the Ga Southern AD. With the playoff committee deciding which G5 team is selected, CUSA's avoidance strategy could backfire. For example if Ga Southern and Marshall are in close contention for the G5 bid, Ga Southern's AD can pull emails where he tried to schedule a Marshall, but they were more interested in scheduling Toledo. One team saying anyplace, anytime and another saying no thanks could sway the committee.
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(04-09-2015 04:40 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:26 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  "but when one conference is saying anytime, anyplace"

That's not what I took away from the GS piece. He was complaining no one wanted to come to Statesboro to play. He, like any other G5 program, can find all the 1-and-done agreements with the power conference teams they want (and would find takers in any G5 conference for 1-and-done deals as well), but none of the other G5's want to sign a return visit agreement to play in Statesboro. That's not "anytime, anyplace", that's whining that getting home games is hard.

All G5's struggle to get attractive out-of-conference home games. You're not unique.

He said because we beat Florida and took NCSU and GT down to the wire, CUSA teams will not play us for fear of losing and potentially not qualifying for a bowl. Why play Ga Southern when Eastern Michigan is a sure win.
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(04-09-2015 04:42 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I think it is a smart strategy by the Ga Southern AD. With the playoff committee decking which G5 team is selected, CUSA's avoidance strategy could backfire. For example if Ga Southern and Marshall are in close contention for the G5 bid, Ga Southern's AD can pull emails where he tried to schedule a Marshall, but they were more interested in scheduling Toledo. One team saying anyplace, anytime and another saying no thanks could sway the committee.

There is no strategy! That's what we're telling you. CUSA schools are playing top level SB schools. But we can't all be available to play your school whenever your AD wants us to.

Scheduling is hard. Getting home games as a G5 school is hard.

Choosing to schedule another school doesn't (necessarily) mean they're scared of you, or ducking you, or that there is some conspiracy that the whole conference is blocking you out (when that's clearly not the case). It just means that they'd rather play another school on that particular date.
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(04-09-2015 04:37 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Also I don't see these top tier Sunbelt teams trying to schedule top tier CUSA teams. Lets schedule Apples to Apples like our home and home against ULL. IF GA Southern wants a piece of CUSA, let them take a piece from the top. Come play us or Marshall. How about a home and home with Rice. Let stAte play Rice or UTEP.

I'm positive our ad reached out to Marshall. He'd gladly play any CUSA team is what I took from the article.
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The big misconception with scheduling is everyone thinks an AD can waive a magic wand and schedule any team in the country whenever they want.
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....been there done that.
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(04-09-2015 04:48 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:42 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  I think it is a smart strategy by the Ga Southern AD. With the playoff committee decking which G5 team is selected, CUSA's avoidance strategy could backfire. For example if Ga Southern and Marshall are in close contention for the G5 bid, Ga Southern's AD can pull emails where he tried to schedule a Marshall, but they were more interested in scheduling Toledo. One team saying anyplace, anytime and another saying no thanks could sway the committee.

There is no strategy! That's what we're telling you. CUSA schools are playing top level SB schools. But we can't all be available to play your school whenever your AD wants us to.

Scheduling is hard. Getting home games as a G5 school is hard.

Choosing to schedule another school doesn't (necessarily) mean they're scared of you, or ducking you, or that there is some conspiracy that the whole conference is blocking you out (when that's clearly not the case). It just means that they'd rather play another school on that particular date.


The committee made it clear that Marshall's schedule eliminated them before the season even started. The committee wants to see tough games being scheduled and any hint of avoiding good teams is a death sentence.
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(04-09-2015 04:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The big misconception with scheduling is everyone thinks an AD can waive a magic wand and schedule any team in the country whenever they want.

It just looks bad on CUSA when the undefeated Sun Belt champ's AD calls out CUSA saying your top teams are scared to play us for fear of losing. That is basically what he is saying and in the new system where the committee decides the G5 rep, it makes Ga Southern look good.
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(04-09-2015 04:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The big misconception with scheduling is everyone thinks an AD can waive a magic wand and schedule any team in the country whenever they want.

It just looks bad on CUSA when the undefeated Sun Belt champs AD calls out CUSA saying your top teams are scared to play us for fear of losing. That is basically what he is saying and in the new system where the committee decides the G5 rep, it makes Ga Southern look good.

No it doesn't look bad on us. It just makes those 2 ad's look butt hurt
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(04-09-2015 04:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  He said because we beat Florida and took NCSU and GT down to the wire, CUSA teams will not play us for fear of losing and potentially not qualifying for a bowl.

And that's a logical fallacy. Marshall's scheduling strategy is this...

Each year is:
1.) A 1-for-1 with a P5 school (Purdue, Louisville, Pitt, NC State signed 1-for-1s with us)
2.) Home-and-away with Ohio (Though there is a couple year gap coming up, replaced by other MAC games)
3.) Home-and-away with another G5 (alot of MAC, have a series with ECU and Navy) location the opposite of Ohio
4.) Home FCS

You aren't a P5 school, so you aren't spot 1. You aren't Ohio U, so you aren't spot 2. I don't think you want to sign up for perpetual 1-and-dones with Marshall, so you aren't spot 4. You want spot three on our schedule? Get in line, next opening there is 2024.

I'll also point out that Louisville was supposed to play Marshall last year, but due to shift and having to play Notre Dame this year, they pushed back their visit 2 years. That doesn't disqualify Louisville from anything. Marshall played and beat the second highest rated "non-Marshall" team in the entire G5 and that didn't help - we got "punished" because we didn't play a P5 and Boise played 2 (yet we had emails we tried to play Louisville this year... so there goes YOUR, um, strategy?)
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(04-09-2015 04:37 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  How about a home and home with Rice. Let stAte play Rice or UTEP.

Just not going to happen as loki said. Rice is still able to schedule home and home with the P5 (Wake Forest, Northwestern, Stanford, Baylor and even Texas A&M), we just got the Bayou Bucket up and running again with Houston, and we have future games scheduled with Army. Now we're trying the extra home game with the FCS thing with Wagner in 2015 and Prairie View A&M in 2016. There's just no room on the Rice schedule for anyone in the G5 who isn't Houston, Army, or the return game we owe Hawaii.
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(04-09-2015 04:58 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:50 PM)RonBurgundy Wrote:  The big misconception with scheduling is everyone thinks an AD can waive a magic wand and schedule any team in the country whenever they want.

It just looks bad on CUSA when the undefeated Sun Belt champs AD calls out CUSA saying your top teams are scared to play us for fear of losing. That is basically what he is saying and in the new system where the committee decides the G5 rep, it makes Ga Southern look good.

It might make the conference look bad if anyone was listening, but nobody cares about either conference
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(04-09-2015 05:04 PM)CoachMaclid Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:44 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  He said because we beat Florida and took NCSU and GT down to the wire, CUSA teams will not play us for fear of losing and potentially not qualifying for a bowl.

And that's a logical fallacy. Marshall's scheduling strategy is this...

Each year is:
1.) A 1-for-1 with a P5 school (Purdue, Louisville, Pitt, NC State signed 1-for-1s with us)
2.) Home-and-away with Ohio (Though there is a couple year gap coming up, replaced by other MAC games)
3.) Home-and-away with another G5 (alot of MAC, have a series with ECU and Navy) location the opposite of Ohio
4.) Home FCS

You aren't a P5 school, so you aren't spot 1. You aren't Ohio U, so you aren't spot 2. I don't think you want to sign up for perpetual 1-and-dones with Marshall, so you aren't spot 4. You want spot three on our schedule? Get in line, next opening there is 2024.

I'll also point out that Louisville was supposed to play Marshall last year, but due to shift and having to play Notre Dame this year, they pushed back their visit 2 years. That doesn't disqualify Louisville from anything. Marshall played and beat the second highest rated "non-Marshall" team in the entire G5 and that didn't help - we got "punished" because we didn't play a P5 and Boise played 2 (yet we had emails we tried to play Louisville this year... so there goes YOUR, um, strategy?)

#3 needs to be against top G5 teams and not Toledo or Akron especially since you will play one FCS a year.
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I can see Georgia Southern having a hard time. Not many teams run the triple option so a coach and team have to prepare specifically for it. If some teams don't want the hassle they simply skip Georgia Southern.
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(04-09-2015 04:49 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(04-09-2015 04:37 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Also I don't see these top tier Sunbelt teams trying to schedule top tier CUSA teams. Lets schedule Apples to Apples like our home and home against ULL. IF GA Southern wants a piece of CUSA, let them take a piece from the top. Come play us or Marshall. How about a home and home with Rice. Let stAte play Rice or UTEP.

I'm positive our ad reached out to Marshall. He'd gladly play any CUSA team is what I took from the article.

And they had something else pending.

Now you're acting like there is some big conspiracy.

It's hard to schedule. Especially home games. Welcome to FBS.
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(04-09-2015 05:18 PM)monarchoptimist Wrote:  I can see Georgia Southern having a hard time. Not many teams run the triple option so a coach and team have to prepare specifically for it. If some teams don't want the hassle they simply skip Georgia Southern.

We don't run the flexbone anymore. It is a typical spread option that dozens of teams run today. He even said that in the article that they can't use that as an excuse.
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