We do not need ESPN's approval to add 1 team jesus. Let's not make this into a world shattering event, just add Wichita St and give our basketball side a boost. We don't need to add 10 other schools with Wichita, we don't need ESPN's blessing just do it

(04-03-2015 02:32 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 01:03 PM)Enriquillo Wrote:  All this expansion stuff is just mental self-abuse. ESPN will have the final say if/when the time comes.

This,,,Adding VCU snd Wit State are no brainers.If ESPN says yes,do it.I am hard to please on this board,but this idea I like.

you don't get it dude? money runs the bus, 1 team maximum.
witchita has good academics also, i say add them before their coach leaves.

(04-03-2015 02:37 PM)owlfan2272 Wrote:  We do not need ESPN's approval to add 1 team jesus. Let's not make this into a world shattering event, just add Wichita St and give our basketball side a boost. We don't need to add 10 other schools with Wichita, we don't need ESPN's blessing just do it

I thinking checking with them in terms of our tv contract is a must, contract is for what we have,no with Wich State.Contracts are very specific documents.

we need to add a team that will take us from the minors to the majors.

ESPN has had to deal with a lot bigger conference expansions than adding Wichita St for olympic sports only I'm sure it will be fine. Wichita would bring more quality to the top on a consistent basis and more bids for the league.

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

Shocked you have this opinion.... I mean you are one of the AAC's biggest supporters on here

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

Wichita only had 7 conference games televised nationally(4 not on ESPNU). All 11 AAC teams had at least 15 games televised nationally. So Wichita's others weren't even as good as ESPNews or CBSSN. The most conference games any AAC team had on ESPN3 only was 3.

And the bigger thing- this year was about best case scenario for the MVC, and the worst case scenario for the AAC. Yet- Northern Iowa was the #20 overall seed, SMU #21(despite SMU having 3 more losses than Northern Iowa), and Wichita #26, Cincy #29(despite Cincy having 6 more losses than Wichita). That right there should say something. The Valley best case is equal to the AAC worst case.

How much does Wichita make from the MVC tv contract?

(04-03-2015 11:43 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 11:37 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  Even by adding WSU, the A-10 is still arguably equal to (or better) than the American. I want to see us dismantle a competing league for once to help our position in the pecking order instead of being the league that is always stripped for parts.

The A-10 isn't remotely close to the AAC. Schools like St Bonaventure, Duquesne, etc, don't bring anything close to the large programs in the American (whether they are down or not). Neither does the top of that conference come anywhere near the top of the AAC. There's simply no comparison to be made.

I realize facts don't mean much to you, it's your own personal opinion that trumps everything, but take these into consideration. In the two years of the AAC existance we have 3 different teams that have accounted for 5 total bids. In those two years the A10 has 7 different teams that have accounted for 9 bids. And in the year before our existance, 2013, the A10 had another 5 bids with each team winning it's first game, meaning the A10 had 5 of the final 32 teams standing. Again you can trash them all you want, but they don't play bad basketball in that conference. Of course UCONN's run to the championship tops everything, but as far as overall conference depth goes, they're doing just fine.

(04-03-2015 04:25 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  How much does Wichita make from the MVC tv contract?

from MVC message board poster:
-- ESPN pays the Valley $190,000 a year for ESPNU (or other channels at their whim) content, and of course ESPN3 content. ESPN had exclusivity on this but this was negotiated away during the last round of contract talks. This number is lower than the previous contract ($200,000).
-- ESPN then charges the Valley $300,000 a year for production fees associated with broadcasting games on the ESPN networks.

And you thought the AAC had a bad TV contract.....

Add UMASS for all sports and Army for football only.

(04-03-2015 04:48 PM)rallen Wrote:  I realize facts don't mean much to you, it's your own personal opinion that trumps everything, but take these into consideration. In the two years of the AAC existance we have 3 different teams that have accounted for 5 total bids. In those two years the A10 has 7 different teams that have accounted for 9 bids. And in the year before our existance, 2013, the A10 had another 5 bids with each team winning it's first game, meaning the A10 had 5 of the final 32 teams standing. Again you can trash them all you want, but they don't play bad basketball in that conference. Of course UCONN's run to the championship tops everything, but as far as overall conference depth goes, they're doing just fine.

I have no problem with the A10. I've been there before. Have the T-shirt. Moved on.
The AAC is in year two. For such a young conference, I'd take its successes over the A10's successes any day. The AAC has already been to the mountain top.
However, we are STILL in year two. Let ECU and Tulane recruit (and some of the others with their new coaches) to a conference with SMU, UConn, Cinci, Memphis, Temple, Tulsa, etc.... before we think we have to poach the A10. Hell, the Pirates and Wave already beat UC this year.
The newer AAC programs have a lot more upside, but they suffered from old affiliations for a long time (i.e. no exposure). We're talking about different worlds when it comes to athletic departments and missions.

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

I don't think it has as much to do with present tourney bids as much as the future of their program in the sports they play. Wichita is the largest city in the state and they are somewhat isolated from the KC area as well as KU and KSU. They are actually as close or closer to many of the other western AAC schools than they are to most of their side of the Valley. Springfield, Missouri is a nice town, but isn't Dallas, Houston, Memphis or NO. When you compare the schools and the cities in the AAC to Carbondale, Terre Haute, Normal Ill., or even a Drake Univ, in Des Moines, Iowa, the AAC is on a much different level. Wichita views themselves differently than those other MVC schools. They are more like Creighton than Northern Iowa. Wichita has the "Koch" name attached to a lot of their campus buildings. Like them or not, the Koch brothers are "EACH" worth about $35,000,000,000. There isn't a single school in the AAC that wouldn't love to have that kind of support. They have a great arena for MBB. They have a baseball arena that would probably be the best in the AAC (Eck Stadium with 8,000 plus). They actually have a 31,000 seat track stadium on campus. Their enrollment is not huge, but in the neighborhood of a Baylor, Miami (Fla), Georgia Tech and in our conference, Memphis. There is a lot to like about them IMO.

(04-03-2015 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

Wichita only had 7 conference games televised nationally(4 not on ESPNU). All 11 AAC teams had at least 15 games televised nationally. So Wichita's others weren't even as good as ESPNews or CBSSN. The most conference games any AAC team had on ESPN3 only was 3.

And the bigger thing- this year was about best case scenario for the MVC, and the worst case scenario for the AAC. Yet- Northern Iowa was the #20 overall seed, SMU #21(despite SMU having 3 more losses than Northern Iowa), and Wichita #26, Cincy #29(despite Cincy having 6 more losses than Wichita). That right there should say something. The Valley best case is equal to the AAC worst case.

You're wasting your time arguing with Eeyore. Wichita would accept the bid before Aresco finished asking the question. They have shared a conference with Tulsa, Houston, Memphis, and Cinci. They would love to step up to higher profile conference. Last year this was a 4 bid conference with SMU nearly making it 5. UConn and Memphis will bounce back. Wouldn't surprise me if the AAC is a 4 bid conference next year. Lateral move my azz.

(04-03-2015 05:07 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

I don't think it has as much to do with present tourney bids as much as the future of their program in the sports they play. Wichita is the largest city in the state and they are somewhat isolated from the KC area as well as KU and KSU. They are actually as close or closer to many of the other western AAC schools than they are to most of their side of the Valley. Springfield, Missouri is a nice town, but isn't Dallas, Houston, Memphis or NO. When you compare the schools and the cities in the AAC to Carbondale, Terre Haute, Normal Ill., or even a Drake Univ, in Des Moines, Iowa, the AAC is on a much different level. Wichita views themselves differently than those other MVC schools. They are more like Creighton than Northern Iowa. Wichita has the "Koch" name attached to a lot of their campus buildings. Like them or not, the Koch brothers are "EACH" worth about $35,000,000,000. There isn't a single school in the AAC that wouldn't love to have that kind of support. They have a great arena for MBB. They have a baseball arena that would probably be the best in the AAC (Eck Stadium with 8,000 plus). They actually have a 31,000 seat track stadium on campus. Their enrollment is not huge, but in the neighborhood of a Baylor, Miami (Fla), Georgia Tech and in our conference, Memphis. There is a lot to like about them IMO.

If I was living their, I too will support it... I mean, it is the ONLY show in town for crying out loud.

(04-03-2015 08:15 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 05:07 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

I don't think it has as much to do with present tourney bids as much as the future of their program in the sports they play. Wichita is the largest city in the state and they are somewhat isolated from the KC area as well as KU and KSU. They are actually as close or closer to many of the other western AAC schools than they are to most of their side of the Valley. Springfield, Missouri is a nice town, but isn't Dallas, Houston, Memphis or NO. When you compare the schools and the cities in the AAC to Carbondale, Terre Haute, Normal Ill., or even a Drake Univ, in Des Moines, Iowa, the AAC is on a much different level. Wichita views themselves differently than those other MVC schools. They are more like Creighton than Northern Iowa. Wichita has the "Koch" name attached to a lot of their campus buildings. Like them or not, the Koch brothers are "EACH" worth about $35,000,000,000. There isn't a single school in the AAC that wouldn't love to have that kind of support. They have a great arena for MBB. They have a baseball arena that would probably be the best in the AAC (Eck Stadium with 8,000 plus). They actually have a 31,000 seat track stadium on campus. Their enrollment is not huge, but in the neighborhood of a Baylor, Miami (Fla), Georgia Tech and in our conference, Memphis. There is a lot to like about them IMO.

If I was living their, I too will support it... I mean, it is the ONLY show in town for crying out loud.

Actually that is a very good point. There are no major league teams to compete with - no pro FB or basketball or baseball, so if the folks want to see a big event live, there's no alternative to the shockers. They have minor league teams, but WSU is pretty much THE big show in town and although Wichita isn't a huge city (appr 350,000), it is about the right size to be a success as a college town and team.

(04-03-2015 08:34 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  Actually that is a very good point. There are no major league teams to compete with - no pro FB or basketball or baseball, so if the folks want to see a big event live, there's no alternative to the shockers. They have minor league teams, but WSU is pretty much THE big show in town and although Wichita isn't a huge city (appr 350,000), it is about the right size to be a success as a college town and team.

They travel well too. I went to the Wichita State-Memphis game in Sioux Falls SD last November and the small arena was packed with Wichita State fans who had made the almost 500 mile trip from Wichita. The game was in the middle of the afternoon on a Tuesday too.

(04-03-2015 08:34 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 08:15 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 05:07 PM)rabidTU2 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 03:49 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(04-03-2015 07:34 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  At this point I'm not sure Wichita State would get all that much out of an affiliation with the ACC. They were on a real national telecast plenty this year. And I'm not talking Espn3 or the Ocho or whatever it is that half our games run on regionally.

This

It would be a step back for Wichita State to come here or lateral at best.

I mean why come here? They already play in a two bid conference and have better TV than most of the teams in this conference. To Rath's point sure the AAC had a ton games broadcast by ESPN...texhnically. I dont consider ESPN3 or ESPNU all that big a deal.

I don't think it has as much to do with present tourney bids as much as the future of their program in the sports they play. Wichita is the largest city in the state and they are somewhat isolated from the KC area as well as KU and KSU. They are actually as close or closer to many of the other western AAC schools than they are to most of their side of the Valley. Springfield, Missouri is a nice town, but isn't Dallas, Houston, Memphis or NO. When you compare the schools and the cities in the AAC to Carbondale, Terre Haute, Normal Ill., or even a Drake Univ, in Des Moines, Iowa, the AAC is on a much different level. Wichita views themselves differently than those other MVC schools. They are more like Creighton than Northern Iowa. Wichita has the "Koch" name attached to a lot of their campus buildings. Like them or not, the Koch brothers are "EACH" worth about $35,000,000,000. There isn't a single school in the AAC that wouldn't love to have that kind of support. They have a great arena for MBB. They have a baseball arena that would probably be the best in the AAC (Eck Stadium with 8,000 plus). They actually have a 31,000 seat track stadium on campus. Their enrollment is not huge, but in the neighborhood of a Baylor, Miami (Fla), Georgia Tech and in our conference, Memphis. There is a lot to like about them IMO.

If I was living their, I too will support it... I mean, it is the ONLY show in town for crying out loud.

Actually that is a very good point. There are no major league teams to compete with - no pro FB or basketball or baseball, so if the folks want to see a big event live, there's no alternative to the shockers. They have minor league teams, but WSU is pretty much THE big show in town and although Wichita isn't a huge city (appr 350,000), it is about the right size to be a success as a college town and team.

EXACTLY

It's why when I see Wichita st fans flexing their small little muscles I lol

Wichita st is a good basketball program but not enough to bump-up AAC's TV revenue $$$, IMHO

If they were in a larger market, I would welcome them to this league with open arms.

Not sy'n... Just sy'n