(04-01-2015 01:13 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Interesting to see that Towson's Four McGlynn has ended up at 2015-16, A10 frontrunner Rhode Island for his grad school swan song next year, after considering George Washington, Purdue, Penn State and Rutgers. So, both, Towson and Drexel hurt by their leading scorers moving on.

I will not miss that guy. He won't get his 20 point average in two W&M games next year.

(04-01-2015 01:13 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Seriously doubt there is anyone who has genuinely done it strictly to pursue a graduate degree they couldn't get at their original school, as the rule is written. Hogwash.

I didn't know there was a requirement that the degree not be offered by the athlete's current school. I thought it was just that once graduated, the athlete no longer had to sit out a year.

(04-01-2015 06:30 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  I didn't know there was a requirement that the degree not be offered by the athlete's current school. I thought it was just that once graduated, the athlete no longer had to sit out a year.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...sfer-rule/

Quote:A loophole in the NCAA’s rules has been exploited in recent years. A graduate student is allowed to transfer without sitting out a season if his previous school doesn’t offer graduate studies in his preferred area. It’s become a way for student-athletes to control when and where they play.

As this says, and other posters have said, it's a loophole. I would bet money that a vast majority of players doing this are not doing it by the intent (I want a master's in xyz), but because they think they have greener athletic pastures.

(04-01-2015 07:55 AM)wml33t Wrote:  

(04-01-2015 06:30 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  I didn't know there was a requirement that the degree not be offered by the athlete's current school. I thought it was just that once graduated, the athlete no longer had to sit out a year.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com...sfer-rule/

Quote:A loophole in the NCAA’s rules has been exploited in recent years. A graduate student is allowed to transfer without sitting out a season if his previous school doesn’t offer graduate studies in his preferred area. It’s become a way for student-athletes to control when and where they play.

As this says, and other posters have said, it's a loophole. I would bet money that a vast majority of players doing this are not doing it by the intent (I want a master's in xyz), but because they think they have greener athletic pastures.

Correct. The player finds the best fit of a team that wants them and then figures out which major they offer that doesnt exist at the previous school and go with that. Very few of these players that start the graduate studies finish them, because that isnt why they went there to begin with, it was a means to an end to play ball.

There's definitely something to be said for loyalty to a group of guys you've grown with and a team/school/program that has invested an you. At the same time I look at college sports for those seeking to go pro in a similar light as professional internships. You need to position yourself best for when you graduate and enter the workforce. In basketball there are so many pro leagues out there that will pay adequate salaries that you need to "prepare" yourself. Personally, I think the star or top two players on a CAA team will get you a look from overseas leagues (we've seen this to be closer to the rule rather than the exception for most of our graduating classes). I guess if you transfer to a higher profile school you may increase your stock a little, but I really can't see that unless it's something like Luke Hancock where you literally move to a national championship contender. The growing success of our basketball program means players will have a chance to be seen by pro leagues, and the academic side also means you have a valuable degree to fall back on at any time.

I think for football it's a bit different as there isn't an extensive system of minor leagues or other leagues throughout the world where you can play. And I think that really helps our case because the career after football for many college football players starts much sooner than for those in other sports.

(04-01-2015 06:25 AM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  Whitman, Schlotman, Rowley, and Cohn will only be in that position if they take enough credits to graduate in 4 years. Many of the athletes that redshirt take advantage of lower course loads and target graduation in their 5th year. This is part of why I don't have a problem with it. The players that graduate prior to using up their eligibility have committed to taking classes and putting in work beyond what they need to do.

We've had plenty of players graduate in 4 or less and still play 4 non-redshirt years here. I knew a player during my days that put off law school for one more semester of football. And of course, Jon Grimes graduated in 3.5, and spent his spring prepping for the NFL.

I think that I read that Paul Rowley has a plan to graduate in 3 years and then use his last two scholarship years to get his master's. If that is indeed the case, this is a kid with a plan.

(04-01-2015 08:32 AM)WMTRIBE75 Wrote:  I think that I read that Paul Rowley has a plan to graduate in 3 years and then use his last two scholarship years to get his master's. If that is indeed the case, this is a kid with a plan.

That is a great plan, and I would guess a big asset for us in terms of recruiting him. It probably isn't often that our graduate schools are part of the sell.

We all love Marcus and give a lot of credit for sticking around here. That said, if he graduated this year with his w&m degree and still had a year of eligibility left, he would be a fool to not at least explore the idea of playing for his hometown team with a legit shot at a deep Tourney run or national title. I wouldn't blame him one bit for going. As a Tribe Fan, we owe him a lot.

For those who even care, he has shrunk his list to 5 schools.

Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette, Maryland

(04-16-2015 10:56 AM)dan10 Wrote:  For those who even care, he has shrunk his list to 5 schools.

Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette, Maryland

Interesting. Why would THOSE schools want to rent him for one season? I don't think he'd see much playing time.

He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

(04-16-2015 12:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

(04-16-2015 12:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

IMO you're really underestimating him. He was the nation's 5th leading scorer. He would start for a decent portion of those schools

(04-16-2015 01:54 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

IMO you're really underestimating him. He was the nation's 5th leading scorer. He would start for a decent portion of those schools

That's against mostly CAA talent. He's a streaky scorer and he's nothing more than a scorer. Lots of points against So California and CAA teams but went 4 of 14 vs Colorado for 12 pts and 2 of 6 for 9 pts against Miami. That's with multiple years in the same system.

Using national stats to argue a CAA player could get it done at a major program doesn't hold water. Benimon, for example, scored about a total of 80 pts in 60+ games (10 mins/game) over 2 seasons at Georgetown, transferred to TU and all he did in the CAA was crush everyone on his way to CAA POY, 1st team defensive player, and the 2nd best rebounder in the nation.

When did Damion Lee turn into John Wall?

Seriously. He won't be guaranteed a thing with these schools. He'll have to earn a starting role. I imagine these teams looking at him see him as the 6th or 7th option to begin with and will go from there.

I think there's no way he cracks the starting 5 on any of those schools listed. He's good and transferring is probably a good career move for him but there's no way he morphed into one of the top players in the country overnight

Those teams need a #3 position player, so he fits great actually. How he fares against better teams is hard to judge because he is always the focus of teams defenses. In bigger games he certainly, over his career, forces more things for whatever reason. Wherever he goes, he will have supporting cast and that will only help him. I do think you are underestimating him quite a bit. Him being considered the #1 graduate transfer by many would also indicate that you may be slighting him some or a lot actually.

I still think he goes to Maryland, but it would certainly be interesting to see if he goes the Luke Hancock route to Louisville, where I still think Luke ended up better there than he was as Mason.

(04-16-2015 02:18 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 01:54 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

IMO you're really underestimating him. He was the nation's 5th leading scorer. He would start for a decent portion of those schools

That's against mostly CAA talent. He's a streaky scorer and he's nothing more than a scorer. Lots of points against So California and CAA teams but went 4 of 14 vs Colorado for 12 pts and 2 of 6 for 9 pts against Miami. That's with multiple years in the same system.

Using national stats to argue a CAA player could get it done at a major program doesn't hold water. Benimon, for example, scored about a total of 80 pts in 60+ games (10 mins/game) over 2 seasons at Georgetown, transferred to TU and all he did in the CAA was crush everyone on his way to CAA POY, 1st team defensive player, and the 2nd best rebounder in the nation.

When did Damion Lee turn into John Wall?

What's your point? Benimon is doing just fine in the D-League scoring 20 and grabbing 8 a game (hasnt been given a shot yet at the NBA level--2 mins and 1.5 rebounds with the Jazz). Just because they didnt show their talents or get the playing time at the bigger school doesnt mean they didnt have the talent to begin with.

(04-16-2015 02:47 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Seriously. He won't be guaranteed a thing with these schools. He'll have to earn a starting role. I imagine these teams looking at him see him as the 6th or 7th option to begin with and will go from there.

I think that is part of it, though. He wants to challenge himself to better himself. I have no doubt he puts the work in to earn everything as well. From everything I have read, these teams are looking at him to start, not come off the bench. Also they seem excited to get someone of his caliber to fill voids for a year.

(04-16-2015 03:42 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:18 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 01:54 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:33 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  He'll start for anyone out there, including those five.

You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

IMO you're really underestimating him. He was the nation's 5th leading scorer. He would start for a decent portion of those schools

That's against mostly CAA talent. He's a streaky scorer and he's nothing more than a scorer. Lots of points against So California and CAA teams but went 4 of 14 vs Colorado for 12 pts and 2 of 6 for 9 pts against Miami. That's with multiple years in the same system.

Using national stats to argue a CAA player could get it done at a major program doesn't hold water. Benimon, for example, scored about a total of 80 pts in 60+ games (10 mins/game) over 2 seasons at Georgetown, transferred to TU and all he did in the CAA was crush everyone on his way to CAA POY, 1st team defensive player, and the 2nd best rebounder in the nation.

When did Damion Lee turn into John Wall?

What's your point? Benimon is doing just fine in the D-League scoring 20 and grabbing 8 a game (hasnt been given a shot yet at the NBA level--2 mins and 1.5 rebounds with the Jazz). Just because they didnt show their talents or get the playing time at the bigger school doesnt mean they didnt have the talent to begin with.

I think my point is obvious: Even the best CAA players have little hope of being relevant at a premier school. Benimon was a much better CAA player than Lee but was irrelevant at GU. How Benimon is doing with a D-league program, however, has nothing to do with my point.

Lee has a lot of talent. Who knows how well he would have done had he gone to a top-50 team directly out of HS where they would have surrounded him with talent and developed him. But, he ain't starting at Duke, Maryland, or Arizona. Period.

(04-16-2015 04:05 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 03:42 PM)dan10 Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 02:18 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 01:54 PM)TDenverFan Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:54 PM)Tribal Wrote:  You think a graduated CAA guard would come in for one season and start for anyone out there to include a few Sweet 16 schools named on his list?

He'd start at Arizona, Duke, Maryland, Ohio State, Gonzaga, Louisville, Kentucky, UCLA, Michigan State, Georgetown, UVA, Wisconsin, UNC, Notre Dame, et al?

Not. A. Chance. I don't think he'd even start for UNLV.

IMO you're really underestimating him. He was the nation's 5th leading scorer. He would start for a decent portion of those schools

That's against mostly CAA talent. He's a streaky scorer and he's nothing more than a scorer. Lots of points against So California and CAA teams but went 4 of 14 vs Colorado for 12 pts and 2 of 6 for 9 pts against Miami. That's with multiple years in the same system.

Using national stats to argue a CAA player could get it done at a major program doesn't hold water. Benimon, for example, scored about a total of 80 pts in 60+ games (10 mins/game) over 2 seasons at Georgetown, transferred to TU and all he did in the CAA was crush everyone on his way to CAA POY, 1st team defensive player, and the 2nd best rebounder in the nation.

When did Damion Lee turn into John Wall?

What's your point? Benimon is doing just fine in the D-League scoring 20 and grabbing 8 a game (hasnt been given a shot yet at the NBA level--2 mins and 1.5 rebounds with the Jazz). Just because they didnt show their talents or get the playing time at the bigger school doesnt mean they didnt have the talent to begin with.

I think my point is obvious: Even the best CAA players have little hope of being relevant at a premier school. Benimon was a much better CAA player than Lee but was irrelevant at GU. How Benimon is doing with a D-league program, however, has nothing to do with my point.

Lee has a lot of talent. Who knows how well he would have done had he gone to a top-50 team directly out of HS where they would have surrounded him with talent and developed him. But, he ain't starting at Duke, Maryland, or Arizona. Period.

I suppose we shall see. I would say most fans of those schools and "experts" disagree but time will tell. My point about Benimon is those big schools get the best of the best, so unless they get legit playing time sometimes you dont even get to see what they are capable of, so when they transfer they get to show what they can do. He is showing that at the next level as well, showing what he did at Towson was not a fluke going up against poor talent. If that we the case he would be struggling against other D-league players that are competing for NBA spots.

This wont be a good example but may be, look at Kyle Wiltjer. He was getting all of 12 minutes at Kentucky and is tearing it up at Gonzaga as "one of the best in college basketball". I seriously doubt he just got really good over night when he transferred and turned 5 ppg into 16 ppg. He obviously was not an under the radar type player out of high school, but it happens all of the time. When kids get the opportunity to play, even at a lower level than they started, show their skill set.