(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

(03-17-2015 07:51 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

yes gaso or the cajuns should have got an nit invite. they dont know what they are missing.

This is what I came up with comparing one of the teams in our conference with the NIT at-large field. SHSU ended up with a 25-8 record and a 93 Massey Composite Rating compared to Georgia Southern's 142 and the Ragin' Cajuns's 147.

Having way too much time on my hands, I compared the at-large bids in the NIT field using the latest Massey Composite rating. SHSU's losses were to the following. Sam Houston had one bad loss to Texas A&M-Corpus Christi. The others were to peers in relation to Massey Composite position or better.

UNLV (2 point loss @ UNLV) Massey #99 - Staying home
Wofford (11 point loss - neutral court) Massey #80 - NCAA tournament #12 seed
Texas A&M (3 point loss @ A&M) Massey #55 - NIT tournament #2 seed (Temple Bracket)
LSU (9 point loss @ LSU) Massey #44 - NCAA Tournament # 9 seed
Texas A&M CC (2 point loss @ TAMU-CC) Massey #213 - CIT

and three losses to Stephen F. Austin - NCAA tournament #12 seed

Stephen F. Austin (11 point loss @ SHSU) Massey #37
Stephen F. Austin (9 point loss @ SFA) Massey #37
Stephen F. Austin (3 point loss - neutral) Massey #37

Here's how the at-large selections in the NIT field compared with "Sam". Unless there is a ratings bias, the field looks pretty fair to me after doing all this.

Program Rating
SHSU 93

Miami (FL) 43
Colorado State 49
Illinois 51
Stanford 54
Texas A&M 55
Temple 56
Rhode Island 57
Vanderbilt 58
Saint Mary's 60
ODU 61
Richmond 64
Tulsa 65
Connecticut 66
Alabama 68
Green Bay 70
George Washington 71
Illinois State 72
Pittsburgh 74
Arizona St 79
UTEP 89

Here's a link to the Massey Composite if anyone is interested. It's a composite of 37 ratings so hopefully that would mitigate the bias (unless it is universal).

http://www.masseyratings.com/cb/compare.htm

(I had originally posted this on another forum in response to a similar discussion): http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=451&f=236...719680&p=2

Note: Looks like Massey tweaked the numbers from yesterday even though the "as of" date is the same. For example,SHSU is now #94. Texas A&M is now #51, but the general order should remain basically the same.

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

I suspect he was implying that perhaps your administration should have been more proactive in securing a bid.

I think the NIT is typically pretty good about only inviting high-RPI teams. Seems like the NCAA "magic number" for an invite is around 50, and the NIT magic number is in the 80-90 range. It's after that, as the CBI and CIT start picking, that blind dart-throws and connections start coming into play. I'm actually disappointed that the Eagles don't get to continue, as they deserve to. It's probably not a reflection on anyone's view of whether or not they deserve to continue, however. Just so many moving parts and little allegiances involved in selecting those final 48 teams for the postseason.

EDIT: I'll also add that in a sick way, I like to look at the disappointment OTHER teams and their fans must be feeling as a way of being okay with the disappointments that come our way (e.g. running through the Sun Belt last year only to come up short in OT in the tourney final). Imagine being Murray State or even Louisiana Tech right now. Regular season champs, good enough season to earn a high NIT seed, but losses in the conference tourney kept both out of the dance. Wasn't Murray State even a top 25 team earlier? That's brutal for fans.

Really surprised Ga Southern didn't get invited at all.

I wonder if the late tourney finish was a factor, as many teams that knew they had no chance at the NCAA or NIT had already accepted CIT and CBI bids by then.


FYI - NAU is playing at Grand Canyon tomorrow night - like UIW, GCU is ineligible for any NCAA post-season tourneys as they are still transitioning. GCU is the only for-profit school in DI, and uses it's athletics as a marketing tool. GCU not only bid high for the hosting rights, but is not charging for the tickets - that's right, I got my tickets for the game for free - all tickets are FREE, general admission.

We finished at 22-9, 14-6 in conference, were 2nd seed in tourney and lost in championship game--- to me we should have at the least received a CIT or CBI invitation. I guess our AD should have been lobbying harder. Goodness knows our basektball has seldom been in a position of even having a chance at postseason.

(03-17-2015 12:57 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  We finished at 22-9, 14-6 in conference, were 2nd seed in tourney and lost in championship game--- to me we should have at the least received a CIT or CBI invitation. I guess our AD should have been lobbying harder. Goodness knows our basektball has seldom been in a position of even having a chance at postseason.

Georgia Southern avg. attendance was 1,778 so I can see why maybe your program wasn't attractive. But then again, UL-Monroe avg. 1,755 ,so who knows why your program wasn't invited.

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

(03-17-2015 05:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

The track record of the current regime says otherwise. Either way, the vast majority of us are very happy with our administration, thanks.

(03-17-2015 06:18 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-16-2015 09:50 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  Still a little agrivated that Ga. Southern's season is over and we aren't playing in any postseason tourney. At 22-9 I thought we would get a chance somewhere but if you can believe what I was told today none of these tournaments would give GS the chance to play.

I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

The track record of the current regime says otherwise. Either way, the vast majority of us are very happy with our administration, thanks.

I thought I heard that the AD, coach and players weren't too happy.

You shouldn't be either if that's how they reward the team and players.

Of course you might be one of those guys who only cares about football and doesn't think Ga South should be an asset to the conference in anything but football. Lame.

(03-17-2015 08:06 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:18 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:36 AM)epiccajun Wrote:  I agree - ridiculous that Ga Southern administration didn't make that happen.

That team deserves to be in post season as much as, or more than most teams in the CIT and CBI.

Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

The track record of the current regime says otherwise. Either way, the vast majority of us are very happy with our administration, thanks.

I thought I heard that the AD, coach and players weren't too happy.

You shouldn't be either if that's how they reward the team and players.

Of course you might be one of those guys who only cares about football and doesn't thing Ga South shouldn't be an asset to the conference in anything but football. Lame.

The AD is the administration. I won't bite on the rest of your trolling.

(03-17-2015 08:50 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 08:06 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:18 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

The track record of the current regime says otherwise. Either way, the vast majority of us are very happy with our administration, thanks.

I thought I heard that the AD, coach and players weren't too happy.

You shouldn't be either if that's how they reward the team and players.

Of course you might be one of those guys who only cares about football and doesn't thing Ga South shouldn't be an asset to the conference in anything but football. Lame.

The AD is the administration. I won't bite on the rest of your trolling.

You quite sure he makes the call all alone on that?

Doesn't sound correct.

But if you say so.

Cajuns beat Incarnate Word today 83-68.

If you can make the money work its a must

Saint Louis went a few years ago and made the finals of the cit. they then went to the macs for a few years.

It's a great place to play lose and go home basketball. The kids learn about that pressure Wichita set did too.

For schools like ualr that are broke we never accepted an invite as chris tits Peterson was too busy looking at internet porn, eating Cheetos and wondering about his orange willy to get us the money to play in one of them.

(03-17-2015 08:51 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 08:50 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 08:06 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 06:18 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(03-17-2015 05:07 PM)epiccajun Wrote:  Not implying that - but we're they as proactive as possible? I doubt it.

The track record of the current regime says otherwise. Either way, the vast majority of us are very happy with our administration, thanks.

I thought I heard that the AD, coach and players weren't too happy.

You shouldn't be either if that's how they reward the team and players.

Of course you might be one of those guys who only cares about football and doesn't thing Ga South shouldn't be an asset to the conference in anything but football. Lame.

The AD is the administration. I won't bite on the rest of your trolling.

You quite sure he makes the call all alone on that?

Doesn't sound correct.

But if you say so.

(03-18-2015 06:55 AM)insideualr Wrote:  If you can make the money work its a must

Saint Louis went a few years ago and made the finals of the cit. they then went to the macs for a few years.

It's a great place to play lose and go home basketball. The kids learn about that pressure Wichita set did too.

For schools like ualr that are broke we never accepted an invite as chris tits Peterson was too busy looking at internet porn, eating Cheetos and wondering about his orange willy to get us the money to play in one of them.

There's a story here I think I'd like to hear.

(03-17-2015 09:16 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Our administration did not turn down the invite, if that's what you are implying here.

From what I'm hearing, seems like I may have to eat those words.