(01-22-2015 10:59 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  If we get hit with probation as a result of APR that is just unacceptable and I think would void Brady's contract and not require a buyout.

APR failure gives JMU cause to terminate w/o payout, according to his contract.

I think the way the contract reads, that if we wait until sometime in March or later, then its only $20k. I'm going from memory.

(01-22-2015 11:23 AM)fanofallthatisjmu Wrote:  If Bourne does leave (whether on his own accord or not) no AD worth their salt is going to come to JMU and report to the Finance guy. They will need to change up the reporting structure

correct that reporting structure would have to change too.

Barkers I hope you are correct. It is time to move on from Brady. With the right coach the program could take a big step forward.

I, for one, would hate to have a job where I rely on the good behavior of 19 year olds.

I know many of you will say it's all on Brady, but that's just not true. Kids are kids. This whole thing is terrible for everyone.

I suppose since it is now on here, it will be in the DNR shortly. Not sure why you chose to put this out at this time. Interesting how it went from Brady to be about JB so quickly. Let's see what else it morphs into.

It is a shame that just when the team sheds it main distraction and begins to move forward in a positive direction you decide to start this up. Not much of a supporter.

I think Brady is well aware he is on the 'hot-seat' --- he knows.

(01-22-2015 12:26 PM)jmu7396 Wrote:  It is a shame that just when the team sheds it main distraction and begins to move forward in a positive direction you decide to start this up. Not much of a supporter.

You don't have to spread rose petals to be a JMU supporter. He's always been an "in the know" guy and has almost always been spot on. I, for one, appreciate his information.
Secondly, if you really think this program is now going to make that leap from mediocre to elite, you're fooling yourself. We have failed to be the top program in a very watered down version of the CAA. That is unacceptable. It's been unacceptable for a long time. Getting slightly better isn't going to cut it any longer.

(01-22-2015 12:19 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I suppose since it is now on here, it will be in the DNR shortly. Not sure why you chose to put this out at this time. Interesting how it went from Brady to be about JB so quickly. Let's see what else it morphs into.

I don't follow what you are trying to imply, please explain?

(01-22-2015 10:41 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Let's introduce something here, what if Brady decision wasn't coming from JB, farther more what if JB is on his way out too? Hard to see JB leaving in my opinion, but some admin and bigger donors want him out for reasons even I don't understand yet. Although I think JB is not a more than average athletic director, lacking in vision, and down right horrible at dealing with AD staff/coaches; I can't see him leaving unless he was hired away. He has deep roots and connections in area and region. That said Matt Brady's problems are shared with JB and lack of support and tied hands in recruiting and decision making.

Interesting. I knew one of JB's sons while in college, and know that he used Daddy's connections to get a job around the area before finally getting a job at JMU. They have a huge reach with not only JMU, but Hburg. I bet Bourne stays (to my dismay). Especially with the football "success" this year.

On a side note: If Brady leaves, we can kiss Kevin Roland goodbye. I was really looking forward to watching that kid play. We also have no solid new recruits for this next incoming class...hello LONG grace-period of constant losses until things get better.

Men's Basketball James Madison University VA 2008 - 2009 941
Men's Basketball James Madison University VA 2009 - 2010 941
Men's Basketball James Madison University VA 2010 - 2011 924
Men's Basketball James Madison University VA 2011 - 2012 932
Men's Basketball James Madison University VA 2012 - 2013 948

Save to assume 2013-2014 and 2014-2015 will be lower due to lack of retention. Also, APR gets more stringent this year.

"For 2014-15 championships, teams must earn a 930 four-year average APR or a 940 average over the most recent two years to participate in championships. In 2015-16 and beyond, teams must earn a four-year APR of 930 to compete in championships."

(01-22-2015 10:55 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:34 AM)Purple Pilgrim Wrote:  I don't think many people give Brady the credit he deserves for taking a program that was awful and making it mediocre to decent in a short period of time. It seems like faint praise, but that was no easy task.

That said, Brady's continuing, deep seeded conflicts with a number of his players leaves me a bit apathetic about whether he is retained. I am concerned that the program will regress if we miss on the next hire, but I also am not certain if Brady will be able to create the stability necessary to move us to the next level (a team that is consistently in the upper echelon of a low major basketball league).

agreed.

is much Brady bashing as goes on, whenever he leaves JMU, he'll leave as the 3rd best coach in JMU men's hoops history behind Lou and Lefty. For whatever that's worth.

Good grief. That's actually correct, how depressing is that!

(01-22-2015 12:52 PM)JMU13 Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 10:41 AM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  Let's introduce something here, what if Brady decision wasn't coming from JB, farther more what if JB is on his way out too? Hard to see JB leaving in my opinion, but some admin and bigger donors want him out for reasons even I don't understand yet. Although I think JB is not a more than average athletic director, lacking in vision, and down right horrible at dealing with AD staff/coaches; I can't see him leaving unless he was hired away. He has deep roots and connections in area and region. That said Matt Brady's problems are shared with JB and lack of support and tied hands in recruiting and decision making.

Interesting. I knew one of JB's sons while in college, and know that he used Daddy's connections to get a job around the area before finally getting a job at JMU. They have a huge reach with not only JMU, but Hburg. I bet Bourne stays (to my dismay). Especially with the football "success" this year.

Maybe its the same guy but I seem to think one of Bourne's son-in-laws currently works for JMU athletics as well.

(01-22-2015 12:42 PM)Jmubarkers Wrote:  

(01-22-2015 12:19 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  I suppose since it is now on here, it will be in the DNR shortly. Not sure why you chose to put this out at this time. Interesting how it went from Brady to be about JB so quickly. Let's see what else it morphs into.

I don't follow what you are trying to imply, please explain?

You posted that a high up source said that Brady is gone after this season no matter what. We all know the DNR follows what is on here. Therefore, one can expect an article in the DNR in the near future about Brady's being let go.

The second part is about how the original topic seems to always transform into something else. In this case, the instant speculation that JB might be fired even though you post was about Brady.

This isn't something that should be posted on a public message board even if true. Couple of other reactions. Do we really want to fire a coach that produces two NCAA appearances in three seasons if that were to happen? Firing Brady will unquestionably hurt the program in the short run and we'll lose Roland as someone else suggested. Roland, I've heard by some accounts, is a top 50 recruit nationally. I watched his video a couple of times recently and he's the best looking recruit that Brady has signed, no question. Lastly, we're not that far away from being a good team, ironically. Brady is a much better coach than many realize, as has been said. I'd argue it's better to retain him for at least one more season if this season finishes well....this coming out isn't going to help anything, though. It undermines the authority of the coach, if nothing else (making him a lame duck again).

I hate the idea of canning brady personally.

If he violates the APR caveats in his contract, JMU really has no choice.

(01-22-2015 01:38 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  This isn't something that should be posted on a public message board even if true. Couple of other reactions. Do we really want to fire a coach that produces two NCAA appearances in three seasons if that were to happen? Firing Brady will unquestionably hurt the program in the short run and we'll lose Roland as someone else suggested. Roland, I've heard by some accounts, is a top 50 recruit nationally. I watched his video a couple of times recently and he's the best looking recruit that Brady has signed, no question. Lastly, we're not that far away from being a good team, ironically. Brady is a much better coach than many realize, as has been said. I'd argue it's better to retain him for at least one more season if this season finishes well....this coming out isn't going to help anything, though. It undermines the authority of the coach, if nothing else (making him a lame duck again).

I'll be happy either way. Brady stays...we get Roland. Brady leaves...team can start to build.

(01-22-2015 01:38 PM)Dukes84 Wrote:  This isn't something that should be posted on a public message board even if true. Couple of other reactions. Do we really want to fire a coach that produces two NCAA appearances in three seasons if that were to happen? Firing Brady will unquestionably hurt the program in the short run and we'll lose Roland as someone else suggested. Roland, I've heard by some accounts, is a top 50 recruit nationally. I watched his video a couple of times recently and he's the best looking recruit that Brady has signed, no question. Lastly, we're not that far away from being a good team, ironically. Brady is a much better coach than many realize, as has been said. I'd argue it's better to retain him for at least one more season if this season finishes well....this coming out isn't going to help anything, though. It undermines the authority of the coach, if nothing else (making him a lame duck again).

Checking the various services, Roland is coming up as "not ranked." Teams like UVA have trouble getting top 50 guys, so one landing at JMU would be almost unheard of. Regardless, one recruit isn't worth keeping a coach who has had trouble proving himself.