Even if we were... Seems like a stretch just for the sake of forcing a JMU guy.

(12-22-2021 01:14 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Even if we were... Seems like a stretch just for the sake of forcing a JMU guy.

Absolutely hate the Alumni angle. Schools love to tout that. To me, it screams of nepotism. You're not selecting the best possible candidate (within your price range). You're choosing the best candidate that has a tie in to the school. That caveat severely limits the coaching pool and does not get you the best guy to move a program forward.

Now if a selection committee is TRUELY torn between 2 candidates, and has properly set aside the alumni angle in considering the two coach's merits, then bringing the alumni factor into play is reasonable.

(12-22-2021 10:35 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 01:14 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Even if we were... Seems like a stretch just for the sake of forcing a JMU guy.

Absolutely hate the Alumni angle. Schools love to tout that. To me, it screams of nepotism. You're not selecting the best possible candidate (within your price range). You're choosing the best candidate that has a tie in to the school. That caveat severely limits the coaching pool and does not get you the best guy to move a program forward.

Now if a selection committee is TRUELY torn between 2 candidates, and has properly set aside the alumni angle in considering the two coach's merits, then bringing the alumni factor into play is reasonable.

Agree, JMU got in trouble with this TWICE already with basketball. Why in the world would we want to screw up football?

Wish all the best for JD, but I don't see anything that proves he has ability to lead a FBS program as HC. Beyond that, a little tired of people pushing this angle right now, we are in very good shape coaching wise and should stay the course for at least the next couple years.

(12-22-2021 10:51 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 10:35 AM)olddawg Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 01:14 AM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  Even if we were... Seems like a stretch just for the sake of forcing a JMU guy.

Absolutely hate the Alumni angle. Schools love to tout that. To me, it screams of nepotism. You're not selecting the best possible candidate (within your price range). You're choosing the best candidate that has a tie in to the school. That caveat severely limits the coaching pool and does not get you the best guy to move a program forward.

Now if a selection committee is TRUELY torn between 2 candidates, and has properly set aside the alumni angle in considering the two coach's merits, then bringing the alumni factor into play is reasonable.

Agree, JMU got in trouble with this TWICE already with basketball. Why in the world would we want to screw up football?

Wish all the best for JD, but I don't see anything that proves he has ability to lead a FBS program as HC. Beyond that, a little tired of people pushing this angle right now, we are in very good shape coaching wise and should stay the course for at least the next couple years.

This. I don't understand why anyone would go the alumni angle again after what has happened in men's basketball. Plus, our program is at a level where you don't roll the dice on a coordinator. Remember Everett Withers?!
IF we needed a head coach (which we absolutely do NOT right now), there is only one coordinator I would consider- Corey Hetherman. That's it, and even then he wouldn't be my first choice. We need to go with what works: bringing in a head coach that has a history of winning, and a history of winning consistently.
Some of you really baffle me. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

I think it's the desire for a guy that will want to stick around, but I think that's extremely overrated. Good programs are going to have guys leave when they're successful, often even if that coach does have a connection to the school.

I remember some people, former players especially, wanted Stinespring instead of Cignetti even though Cig was by far the better candidate in every category except for "did he play for JMU?"

Totally agree with olddawg, if you've got two candidates that are a toss up and one is an alum or has some other connection, great. If someone is overqualified and would normally be out of reach but he's interested because he played for JMU, even better. But forcing an alum hire is rolling the dice for no good reason.

(12-22-2021 01:52 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote:  I think it's the desire for a guy that will want to stick around, but I think that's extremely overrated. Good programs are going to have guys leave when they're successful, often even if that coach does have a connection to the school.

I remember some people, former players especially, wanted Stinespring instead of Cignetti even though Cig was by far the better candidate in every category except for "did he play for JMU?"

Totally agree with olddawg, if you've got two candidates that are a toss up and one is an alum or has some other connection, great. If someone is overqualified and would normally be out of reach but he's interested because he played for JMU, even better. But forcing an alum hire is rolling the dice for no good reason.

Definitely agree. Shouldn't have to force it.
But I'm not sure I agree with an alum having a desire to stick around.
First of all, it's overrated. I would rather have a fantastic coach for one year than what we had to go through with Rowe and Dillard.
If the alum is incredibly successful, I'm pretty sure P5 money would still lure that coach away.
As long as a coach puts our program in a better position than when they got it, that's all you can ask for.

Flip was on the fast track to an NFL head coaching job for a little but that has since cooled off. I agree with not forcing an alumni but I’m not even sure he would want us to be honest.

I think there was 1 post that suggested he coach JMU before this thread got rolling (off track). I want to see him be successful. But right now he is in a crappy situation and had his chance for redemption for calling the offense taken away by Nagy it seems. I want to hear news on his projected path with Chicago seemingly getting blown up .

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I agree on not forcing a hire just for alumni reasons... Trust me, I was front and center for Dillard's entire coaching tenure/dumpster fire at JMU.

But I think DeFilippo might be a good fit.... down the line. He's still REALLY young, but has accomplished quite a bit at the age he's at, and I believe with his contacts and experience he'd already be a good recruiter.

(12-21-2021 06:33 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Why the hell would we be looking for a coach right now

It was a hypothetical, and I would be talking years from now... He's still really young

Calm down

(12-22-2021 03:56 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  I agree on not forcing a hire just for alumni reasons... Trust me, I was front and center for Dillard's entire coaching tenure/dumpster fire at JMU.

But I think DeFilippo might be a good fit.... down the line. He's still REALLY young, but has accomplished quite a bit at the age he's at, and I believe with his contacts and experience he'd already be a good recruiter.

(12-21-2021 06:33 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Why the hell would we be looking for a coach right now

It was a hypothetical, and I would be talking years from now... He's still really young

Calm down

'REALLY' young is mid 40s? (I thought he was mid 40s)...

(12-22-2021 06:52 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-22-2021 03:56 PM)JMUPride Wrote:  I agree on not forcing a hire just for alumni reasons... Trust me, I was front and center for Dillard's entire coaching tenure/dumpster fire at JMU.

But I think DeFilippo might be a good fit.... down the line. He's still REALLY young, but has accomplished quite a bit at the age he's at, and I believe with his contacts and experience he'd already be a good recruiter.

(12-21-2021 06:33 PM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Why the hell would we be looking for a coach right now

It was a hypothetical, and I would be talking years from now... He's still really young

Calm down

'REALLY' young is mid 40s? (I thought he was mid 40s)...

He’s two years younger than me, so it checks out.

been searching Google every few days to see where John is interviewing. Unless I missed something, there isn't a peep about him getting any interviews. Has his stock dropped that much from just a few years ago where he was the "it' guy that was ready to interview for head coaching jobs? anyone have better info than me on his latest career move?

blame nick foles?

Not to hijack this thread, but found it interesting how some of our old coaches have (mostly) moved up

Brandon Staley is the coach of the Chargers
Jules Montinar is the DB coach for the Florida Gators
Brad Davis was retained by Brian Kelly to continue coaching the O-Line @ LSU
De-Rail Sims is the RB coach @ Louisville
Drew Mehringer is the TE coach @ Oregon
Parker Fleming is the Special Teams coordinator @ Ohio State
Antoine Smith is coaching D-Line @ Temple
Matt Merritt is on the staff for new coach Clay Helton at Georgia Southern

Reports are he was interviewed for 49ers QB coach and lost out to Brian Griese

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can't see where he was rehired. Was excited to see our possible first NFL Head Coach and now it looks like his fall from grace is complete. Anyone know what's up? Taking the year off?

(04-18-2022 07:58 AM)Halz87 Wrote:  can't see where he was rehired. Was excited to see our possible first NFL Head Coach and now it looks like his fall from grace is complete. Anyone know what's up? Taking the year off?

He'll get a gig at some point, but it can be a tough business. A friend of my Dad's is an NFL coach and was a college coach before that. He has 2 super bowl rings and a national championship ring in college as a coach and he is out of work right now. He's a good bit older than Flip, but has quite the resume. He is helping out with a college team right now to stay in the game.

Finally an update. Taking a year off .

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/...9_37585380

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Kinda hard to have any success as an OC when you go to dismal situations, can't turn it around in one (!) year then have to move on to the next dismal situation

(06-17-2022 03:36 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  Kinda hard to have any success as an OC when you go to dismal situations, can't turn it around in one (!) year then have to move on to the next dismal situation

I agree. I think this was Flip's greratest mistake (perpetuated a few times) over the last 10 or so years. I think you can get away taking a higher level job (such as OC) once or twice in your ascent, but in today's NFL, guys are jumping from specialist jobs to head coach without traversing through OC or DC. He took a couple of those OC jobs on awful teams (shoot, even San Jose State) and would have had to be a miracle worker to make them work. It would have been better for him to hang out as a QB coach for a couple of years on a better team and give himself a chance to develop momentum.

Luckily, at 44, he's still got some time to right the ship.