(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

(12-07-2014 08:31 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

It's a combination of both, but at the end of the day, OSU gets better ratings.

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

(12-08-2014 08:54 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Upon further review, The Big 12 might just go to 14 with Cincinnatti and Memphis in the East and then add San Diego State and BYU/Colorado State. I would put more wait on Colorado State.

They don't want to dilute their per-school revenue by adding two (which is what got them in this spot). They certainly aren't going to dilute it further by adding four.

Cincy and Colorado St. would be my guesses right now. Cincy gives WVU a travel partner, CSU gets them back into Colorado. That would at least soften the blow by expanding their population base and adding some good markets.

(12-08-2014 09:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

If we every have a team that is fortunate enough to be in the discussion, they will be very clearly the conference champion.

(12-08-2014 10:05 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

If we every have a team that is fortunate enough to be in the discussion, they will be very clearly the conference champion.

Indeed. A co-champion, nor one decided on tie-breakers would ever make the cut.

(12-08-2014 10:05 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

If we every have a team that is fortunate enough to be in the discussion, they will be very clearly the conference champion.

If they're going up against even a one loss or two lost Boise that has a conference championship game Sunbelt loses out

(12-08-2014 10:11 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:05 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

Quote:"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

If we every have a team that is fortunate enough to be in the discussion, they will be very clearly the conference champion.

If they're going up against even a one loss or two lost Boise that has a conference championship game Sunbelt loses out

Not necessarily if the OOC wins are significant enough.

(12-07-2014 08:31 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

They were hurt for playing FCS teams instead of bottom rung FBS teams like OSU did. This put an artificial power aspect to OSU vs the other two. In the big scheme bot TCU played much better teams than OSU did. Those FCS teams did them in. A championship game would not have gotten them in, brand power and a false SOS.

IMO you never judge SOS by the weakest opponents you expect to beat but the best opponents you might lose to. Baylor and TCU had power at the top and weakness at the bottom. OSU had mediocre at the bottom, and the top.

(12-08-2014 10:24 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:31 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

They were hurt for playing FCS teams instead of bottom rung FBS teams like OSU did. This put an artificial power aspect to OSU vs the other two. In the big scheme bot TCU played much better teams than OSU did. Those FCS teams did them in. A championship game would not have gotten them in, brand power and a false SOS.

IMO you never judge SOS by the weakest opponents you expect to beat but the best opponents you might lose to. Baylor and TCU had power at the top and weakness at the bottom. OSU had mediocre at the bottom, and the top.

OSU played four FBS schools in non-conference and three of these schools are going to bowl games. Baylor played no one in OOC. They need to try adding a P5 school to their OOC schedule. They will have the same issue next season. They will play Lamar, SMU and Rice in OOC.

Ohio State's win over Wisconsin was flat out impressive. They shut down the #1 rusher in the country. Wisconsin had not been shut out since 1997 and that was their worst loss in 35 years. A 59-0 win with a QB making his first career start. I really doubt if Baylor could have done the same with their #1 QB. Baylor would have won...but not like that.

(12-08-2014 12:23 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:24 AM)CajunExpress Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 08:31 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game." Bob Bowlsby, BIG12 Commish.

They were hurt for playing FCS teams instead of bottom rung FBS teams like OSU did. This put an artificial power aspect to OSU vs the other two. In the big scheme bot TCU played much better teams than OSU did. Those FCS teams did them in. A championship game would not have gotten them in, brand power and a false SOS.

IMO you never judge SOS by the weakest opponents you expect to beat but the best opponents you might lose to. Baylor and TCU had power at the top and weakness at the bottom. OSU had mediocre at the bottom, and the top.

OSU played four FBS schools in non-conference and three of these schools are going to bowl games. Baylor played no one in OOC. They need to try adding a P5 school to their OOC schedule. They will have the same issue next season. They will play Lamar, SMU and Rice in OOC.

Ohio State's win over Wisconsin was flat out impressive. They shut down the #1 rusher in the country. Wisconsin had not been shut out since 1997 and that was their worst loss in 35 years. A 59-0 win with a QB making his first career start. I really doubt if Baylor could have done the same with their #1 QB. Baylor would have won...but not like that.

Bowl games are not going to change a thing. OSU, Baylor, TCU would have destroyed all the teams OOC they played. You measure from the top down, not the bottom up.

I have no problem with OSU, I am just not buying the SOS argument.

(12-08-2014 10:16 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:11 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 10:05 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(12-08-2014 09:10 AM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  That's a significant comment coming from the head cheese of the 12. There may indeed be something to the rumors.

Sun Belt take note. The same committee picks the G5 representative

The lack of a conference championship game for this conference could keep the sun belt representative out of the ACcess spot in the future

If we every have a team that is fortunate enough to be in the discussion, they will be very clearly the conference champion.

If they're going up against even a one loss or two lost Boise that has a conference championship game Sunbelt loses out

Not necessarily if the OOC wins are significant enough.

Sure, there are a lot of factors, but if you are choosing between a 12-1 Marshall that just won a CCG and a 11-1 Arkansas State that didn't, the CCG gives a HUGE boost. Committee stated as much.

(12-08-2014 08:54 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  Upon further review, The Big 12 might just go to 14 with Cincinnatti and Memphis in the East and then add San Diego State and BYU/Colorado State. I would put more wait on Colorado State.

East

Baylor
Cincinnatti
Iowa State
Memphis
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

West

BYU/Colorado State
Kansas
Kansas State
Texas
Texas Christian
Texas Tech
San Dieigo State

Conference Championship Game - Dallas, Texas

This makes the B12 a National Conference with teams in California, Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, and West Virginia

I love how YOU know the pecking order of who the Big 12 wants.

If you think they are going to add SDSU then I want what you're smoking.

The more I think about it, the more I think the Big 12 doesnt expand right away.

They would be in the playoff right now, they just go dealt a bad hand by FSU barely beating everyone they play. You just can't leave out and undefeated team even though they aren't that great. And any team that loses to Virginia Tech is not good, I think there may be some Big 10 bias on the committee. Not to mention the chairman of the playoff selection committee is an Ohio State alumni....makes you wonder.

And yeah like others have said, if OU or Texas were in TCU and Baylor's position they would be in.

The Big 12 is not in panic mode

(12-08-2014 08:01 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:51 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Get real, a lack of championship game did not keep the Big 12 out. If Texas or Oklahoma were in TCU or Baylor's place they would be in.

Had the Big XII played a CCG their champion would have been 12-1 with a win over a top ten team (Baylor #4, TCU #6). More impressive than Ohio State's win over a 3 loss #17 team. IMO, the Big XII blew it and they know it. Not having the CCG cost that conference million's from the CCG itself and not making the playoff.

It makes you wonder how the BIG XII didn't see this coming as possibility. The conference championship can work both ways though. It can help or hurt. If your undefeated team gets bumped in that game it sucks because it likely knocks you out of the playoff picture unless you're in the SEC. If can certainly help because it's a strength of schedule boost to the winner. It's all a role of the dice.

(12-07-2014 07:35 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:24 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:16 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 07:06 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(12-07-2014 06:02 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  It looks like the B12 will expand by at least one team. The pecking order:

1. Cincinnati
2. BYU
3. Memphis

I am not sure that TCU, Baylor and Texas care a whole lot for BYU. Although, BYU did play Texas this year.

BYU plays West Virginia in 2016.

who says they are adding? and if they do, who says they have any interest in cincy or memphis..

The BIG 12 just got shut out of the NCAA's biggest prize because they don't have 12 members and a CG. Do you really think they're gonna stand pat and run that risk again next year?

They did not get shut out because they don't have 12 members. That is the new college football playoff system. That can happen to a conference with 10, 12 or 14 members. A CCG does not resolve that.

If you listened to the reasons given by the committee for TCU, Baylor not being selected, the lack of a CG hurt the BIg 12

smarter for them to stand pat. the playoffs will no doubt be expanded to 8 teams soon enough and they wont have to add any marginal programs that dont improve the conference.