Returning Offensive line with experience

Dominick Richards R-Jr. OL 6-5 280
Wray Fucci R-Jr. OL 6-7 305
Austin Lane R-Sr. OL 6-6 305
Mitchell Kirsch R-So. OL 6-6 300
A.J. Bolden R-Fr. OL 6-3 305
Casey Kroll R-Jr. OL 6-5 293

Young Offensive lineman needing beef and experience

Taylor Dean Fr. OL 6-6 270
Richard Xu Fr. OL 6-5 275
Kyle Rigney R-So. OL 6-3 273
Stephen Root Fr. OT 6-5 265

Incoming 2015 recruits

Chase Brown OL Broadlands, VA Briar Woods 6'4" 290 5.5
Tyree Chavious OL Goldsboro, NC Rosewood 6'4" 280 5.2

I hardly think the cupboard is bare.

(12-01-2014 03:50 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 02:52 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  but it actually does help in recruiting. b/c the recruits truly do get to compete for playing time and do see the field AND more importantly turns them over more quickly with a 4 year committment instead of a 5 year committment. If you are getting good numbers of good recruits no need to red-shirt the benefit of red-shirting really shows up when the recruiting classes are not as strong, IMO.

Yeah, it helps recruiting if you play true Fr who actually play (on the 2 deep). Its stupid to not redshirt a true fr who is hardly playing at all (3rd-4th string and special teams). According to the participation stats 12 true fr played this season, but there were only 7 listed on last Saturday's 2 deep (including Miller as 3rd TB). With no redshirting this year there would have been no:
-no Latney
-no Appel
-no Cunningham
-no Williams
-no Hogan
-no Bucholz
-no Brown
-no Woodyard
-no Harold
-no Brandon Lee
-no Till
-no Marlowe
-no Wilson

And next year would be:
-no Lane
-no Richards
-no Fucci
-no Coble
-no Mosely
-no Gates

Most players are going to be better as a 22 yr old 5th yr senior than an 18 yr old true freshman. Redshirting is how you build depth, esp along the OL & DL. Coaches have been espousing that for a long time.

I will agree that for players ear-marked for playing the OL/DL it is a definite benefit to redshirt to get them big/fit enough to contribute on the line at the college level. QB's make a lot of sense to red-shirt to learn the offense and adjust.

Linebackers I call it 50/50 and depends how you are at the position.

But for RBs/WRs/DBs I don't agree with redshirting them. These are guys that typically play in space. They should be able to contribute at some level as a freshman (compete for 2-deep, special teams) if they are scholarship recruits.

(12-01-2014 04:01 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Returning Offensive line with experience

Dominick Richards R-Jr. OL 6-5 280
Wray Fucci R-Jr. OL 6-7 305
Austin Lane R-Sr. OL 6-6 305
Mitchell Kirsch R-So. OL 6-6 300
A.J. Bolden R-Fr. OL 6-3 305
Casey Kroll R-Jr. OL 6-5 293

Young Offensive lineman needing beef and experience

Taylor Dean Fr. OL 6-6 270
Richard Xu Fr. OL 6-5 275
Kyle Rigney R-So. OL 6-3 273
Stephen Root Fr. OT 6-5 265

Incoming 2015 recruits

Chase Brown OL Broadlands, VA Briar Woods 6'4" 290 5.5
Tyree Chavious OL Goldsboro, NC Rosewood 6'4" 280 5.2

I hardly think the cupboard is bare.

agree --- you lose players every year. This year is no exception. I see it more as an opportunity for some new players to 'step-up', get out of the shadows and be play-makers.

We'll be ok. Lotsa talent in the wings, if you believe EW.

(12-01-2014 03:55 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  And remind me- why was Odu eligible for playoffs?

UNOFFICIALLY announced on/around May 17. According to their posters didn't "OFFICIALLY" announce (sign the paperwork) till June 1, 2012.

This is where an ODU poster or someone more in the know can jump in. I believe by delaying till June 1:
instead of transition 12' & 13', full I-A counter 14'.
they were I-AA playoff eligible 12', transition 13'-14', championship game counter & bowl eligible 15'

The C-USA didn't need them as a 12th eligible team for a championship game. ODU was trying to get a waiver to be bowl eligible this season:
http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-715157.html

Basically, ODU delayed their transition process in 12' for a year for a shot at a playoff run. GST in 12', and App & GSU in 13' immediately began their 2 year transition process when they announced...

(12-01-2014 04:21 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:55 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  And remind me- why was Odu eligible for playoffs?

UNOFFICIALLY announced on/around May 17. According to their posters didn't "OFFICIALLY" announce (sign the paperwork) till June 1, 2012.

This is where an ODU poster or someone more in the know can jump in. I believe by delaying till June 1:
instead of transition 12' & 13', full I-A counter 14'.
they were I-AA playoff eligible 12', transition 13'-14', championship game counter & bowl eligible 15'

The C-USA didn't need them as a 12th eligible team for a championship game. ODU was trying to get a waiver to be bowl eligible this season:
http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-715157.html

Basically, ODU delayed their transition process in 12' for a year for a shot at a playoff run. GST in 12', and App & GSU in 13' immediately began their 2 year transition process when they announced...

BDK, I believe and maybe incorrectly, but a team's second year of transition it becomes a game counter for other FBS teams. Year one of the transition you are still looked upon as FCS as far as the way FBS teams view their game with you.

(12-01-2014 04:29 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:21 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:55 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  And remind me- why was Odu eligible for playoffs?

UNOFFICIALLY announced on/around May 17. According to their posters didn't "OFFICIALLY" announce (sign the paperwork) till June 1, 2012.

This is where an ODU poster or someone more in the know can jump in. I believe by delaying till June 1:
instead of transition 12' & 13', full I-A counter 14'.
they were I-AA playoff eligible 12', transition 13'-14', championship game counter & bowl eligible 15'

The C-USA didn't need them as a 12th eligible team for a championship game. ODU was trying to get a waiver to be bowl eligible this season:
http://www.csnbbs.com/thread-715157.html

Basically, ODU delayed their transition process in 12' for a year for a shot at a playoff run. GST in 12', and App & GSU in 13' immediately began their 2 year transition process when they announced...

BDK, I believe and maybe incorrectly, but a team's second year of transition it becomes a game counter for other FBS teams. Year one of the transition you are still looked upon as FCS as far as the way FBS teams view their game with you.

I was referring to counting towards 12 teams for hosting a championship game. C-USA didn't need ODuh as a 12th team, so ODU delaying their transition a year (whether you count in your 2nd transition year or not) didn't effect C-USA.

I don't go on the mind numbing blah blah blah rumor thread, but I understand it as this:
If JMU went MAC or C-USA wouldn't be needed as a 12th team so could possibly pull an ODuh and delay for a year for a year the start of the transition for one last shot at a playoff run with a Payton candidate.

Butr if JMU was going Slum Belt would be needed as a 12th team for a championship game so would have to begin their transition right away like GST, GSU, App State did..

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:29 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  So just a little Christmas season excitement sparking the following so don't bash me for being hopeful!...

If we do announce prior to the May deadline to move to FBS, we will have a transitional year left as a Fcs independent. So does that make us in eligible for the playoffs in 2015? I'm really hoping that in Vad's last year we have another crack at an at large and shot at a title.

As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:29 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  So just a little Christmas season excitement sparking the following so don't bash me for being hopeful!...

If we do announce prior to the May deadline to move to FBS, we will have a transitional year left as a Fcs independent. So does that make us in eligible for the playoffs in 2015? I'm really hoping that in Vad's last year we have another crack at an at large and shot at a title.

As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

(12-01-2014 04:01 PM)AllForDukes Wrote:  Returning Offensive line with experience

Dominick Richards R-Jr. OL 6-5 280
Wray Fucci R-Jr. OL 6-7 305
Austin Lane R-Sr. OL 6-6 305
Mitchell Kirsch R-So. OL 6-6 300
A.J. Bolden R-Fr. OL 6-3 305
Casey Kroll R-Jr. OL 6-5 293

Young Offensive lineman needing beef and experience

Taylor Dean Fr. OL 6-6 270
Richard Xu Fr. OL 6-5 275
Kyle Rigney R-So. OL 6-3 273
Stephen Root Fr. OT 6-5 265

Incoming 2015 recruits

Chase Brown OL Broadlands, VA Briar Woods 6'4" 290 5.5
Tyree Chavious OL Goldsboro, NC Rosewood 6'4" 280 5.2

I hardly think the cupboard is bare.

Yep, with another year of beefing up and more practice reps guys will improve. You never know what will happen but hopefully a strong starting five will emerge from that group. Sometimes the 'next man up' ends up being better than the guy who left.

(12-01-2014 04:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:29 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  So just a little Christmas season excitement sparking the following so don't bash me for being hopeful!...

If we do announce prior to the May deadline to move to FBS, we will have a transitional year left as a Fcs independent. So does that make us in eligible for the playoffs in 2015? I'm really hoping that in Vad's last year we have another crack at an at large and shot at a title.

As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

ok. I missed that "official"/"unofficial" announce date thing

(12-01-2014 03:50 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Yeah, it helps recruiting if you play true Fr who actually play (on the 2 deep). Its stupid to not redshirt a true fr who is hardly playing at all (3rd-4th string and special teams). According to the participation stats 12 true fr played this season, but there were only 7 listed on last Saturday's 2 deep (including Miller as 3rd TB). With no redshirting this year there would have been no:
-no Latney
-no Appel
-no Cunningham
-no Williams
-no Hogan
-no Bucholz
-no Brown
-no Woodyard
-no Harold
-no Brandon Lee
-no Till
-no Marlowe
-no Wilson

I'm pretty sure Sage & Dean were not RSed. Till used his at UMD before he transferred. Hard to say if he would have RSed if he had come here originally.

(12-01-2014 05:10 PM)DooX Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:50 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Yeah, it helps recruiting if you play true Fr who actually play (on the 2 deep). Its stupid to not redshirt a true fr who is hardly playing at all (3rd-4th string and special teams). According to the participation stats 12 true fr played this season, but there were only 7 listed on last Saturday's 2 deep (including Miller as 3rd TB). With no redshirting this year there would have been no:
-no Latney
-no Appel
-no Cunningham
-no Williams
-no Hogan
-no Bucholz
-no Brown
-no Woodyard
-no Harold
-no Brandon Lee
-no Till
-no Marlowe
-no Wilson

I'm pretty sure Sage & Dean were not RSed. Till used his at UMD before he transferred. Hard to say if he would have RSed if he had come here originally.

Marlowe redshirted in 2010. Says Sr as opposed to rSr on roster, but if you click on his bio says he redshirted in 2010.

Correct on Sage. My bad on him. I remember him being the same HS class as the other 5th yr seniors, but that is because he played a PG season as FUMA. JMU has had a lot of FUMA guys come through and play as "true" freshmen 2 years removed from HS.

(12-01-2014 04:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:29 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  So just a little Christmas season excitement sparking the following so don't bash me for being hopeful!...

If we do announce prior to the May deadline to move to FBS, we will have a transitional year left as a Fcs independent. So does that make us in eligible for the playoffs in 2015? I'm really hoping that in Vad's last year we have another crack at an at large and shot at a title.

As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

we will be eligible for the playoffs next year if we announce on or before June 1st, but not eligible for the CAA title, IF they choose to make us ineligible. they don't have to. but precedent says they will.

you have to announce to the NCAA your intentions of moving up by June 1st of a year to be eligible as an FBS member the FOLLOWING year.

so we must announce a move by June 1st, 2015, to be effective the following NCAA year beginning July 1, 2016.

this is exactly how ODU did it. Formally announce June 1st, 2012, make the formal move on July 1st, 2013.

So, for ODU:

2012 - eligible for FCS playoffs. CAA ruled them ineligible for conference title
2013 - transition year 1
2014 - transition year 2
2015 - full eligibility

for us, if we announce no later than June 1st, it would be:

2015- eligible for FCS playoffs, likely ineligible for CAA
2016 - transition year 1
2017 - transition year 2
2018 - full FBS

for reference, read ODU's move: http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...tml#page=1

(12-01-2014 11:28 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  biggest hole to fill is Harold.

if we can find a good pass rusher off the edge, this team will be better next year than in 2014.

the OL will be strong. Lee will be better. Our RB's will be better. WR's lose Brown, but we didn't rely on any one guy, so that position will be strong.

our back 7 on defense will be really good, despite the loss of Marlowe.

basically, if we can find a good DE and some depth at OL, i expect us to be a Top 10 team all year long next season and we will be playing for a seed.

and I give it a 40% chance that it will be our last FCS postseason experience. So we better make it count.

Well if we're top 10 all year and playing for a seed - I'll be a happy man!

(12-01-2014 11:28 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  biggest hole to fill is Harold.

if we can find a good pass rusher off the edge, this team will be better next year than in 2014.

the OL will be strong. Lee will be better. Our RB's will be better. WR's lose Brown, but we didn't rely on any one guy, so that position will be strong.

our back 7 on defense will be really good, despite the loss of Marlowe.

basically, if we can find a good DE and some depth at OL, i expect us to be a Top 10 team all year long next season and we will be playing for a seed.

and I give it a 40% chance that it will be our last FCS postseason experience. So we better make it count.

Well if we're top 10 all year and playing for a seed - I'll be a happy man!

(12-01-2014 07:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:29 PM)jmu-fan-1981 Wrote:  So just a little Christmas season excitement sparking the following so don't bash me for being hopeful!...

If we do announce prior to the May deadline to move to FBS, we will have a transitional year left as a Fcs independent. So does that make us in eligible for the playoffs in 2015? I'm really hoping that in Vad's last year we have another crack at an at large and shot at a title.

As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

we will be eligible for the playoffs next year if we announce on or before June 1st, but not eligible for the CAA title, IF they choose to make us ineligible. they don't have to. but precedent says they will.

you have to announce to the NCAA your intentions of moving up by June 1st of a year to be eligible as an FBS member the FOLLOWING year.

so we must announce a move by June 1st, 2015, to be effective the following NCAA year beginning July 1, 2016.

this is exactly how ODU did it. Formally announce June 1st, 2012, make the formal move on July 1st, 2013.

So, for ODU:

2012 - eligible for FCS playoffs. CAA ruled them ineligible for conference title
2013 - transition year 1
2014 - transition year 2
2015 - full eligibility

for us, if we announce no later than June 1st, it would be:

2015- eligible for FCS playoffs, likely ineligible for CAA
2016 - transition year 1
2017 - transition year 2
2018 - full FBS

for reference, read ODU's move: http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...tml#page=1

If JMU officially announces this Winter or Spring before June 1st AREN'T going to be eligible for the playoffs next season.

(12-01-2014 08:57 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 07:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 03:53 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  As has been said on here countless times, no, it would not make JMU eligible for the 2015 playoffs. Would make JMU ineligible. No CAA title, no playoffs.

we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

we will be eligible for the playoffs next year if we announce on or before June 1st, but not eligible for the CAA title, IF they choose to make us ineligible. they don't have to. but precedent says they will.

you have to announce to the NCAA your intentions of moving up by June 1st of a year to be eligible as an FBS member the FOLLOWING year.

so we must announce a move by June 1st, 2015, to be effective the following NCAA year beginning July 1, 2016.

this is exactly how ODU did it. Formally announce June 1st, 2012, make the formal move on July 1st, 2013.

So, for ODU:

2012 - eligible for FCS playoffs. CAA ruled them ineligible for conference title
2013 - transition year 1
2014 - transition year 2
2015 - full eligibility

for us, if we announce no later than June 1st, it would be:

2015- eligible for FCS playoffs, likely ineligible for CAA
2016 - transition year 1
2017 - transition year 2
2018 - full FBS

for reference, read ODU's move: http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...tml#page=1

If JMU officially announces this Winter or Spring before June 1st AREN'T going to be eligible for the playoffs next season.

that is not correct

(12-02-2014 06:41 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 08:57 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 07:58 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:59 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-01-2014 04:53 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  we would not be eligible for CAA title but could make playoffs at large, a la Oduh, I thought. the following year is lame duck year; the third year would be equivalent to what Oduh did this year. (I thought that was the deal anyway)

Look, its pretty simple:
OFFICIALLY announce (sign paperwork) before June 1, no playoff eligibility.
OFFICIALLY announce June 1 or later playoff eligible.

we will be eligible for the playoffs next year if we announce on or before June 1st, but not eligible for the CAA title, IF they choose to make us ineligible. they don't have to. but precedent says they will.

you have to announce to the NCAA your intentions of moving up by June 1st of a year to be eligible as an FBS member the FOLLOWING year.

so we must announce a move by June 1st, 2015, to be effective the following NCAA year beginning July 1, 2016.

this is exactly how ODU did it. Formally announce June 1st, 2012, make the formal move on July 1st, 2013.

So, for ODU:

2012 - eligible for FCS playoffs. CAA ruled them ineligible for conference title
2013 - transition year 1
2014 - transition year 2
2015 - full eligibility

for us, if we announce no later than June 1st, it would be:

2015- eligible for FCS playoffs, likely ineligible for CAA
2016 - transition year 1
2017 - transition year 2
2018 - full FBS

for reference, read ODU's move: http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...tml#page=1

If JMU officially announces this Winter or Spring before June 1st AREN'T going to be eligible for the playoffs next season.

that is not correct

App and GSU announced in April of 2013 and were ineligible for the 2013 playoffs.

(12-02-2014 07:12 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  App and GSU announced in April of 2013 and were ineligible for the 2013 playoffs.

App and GSU started their transition immediately (announce 2013 to reclassify in 2013, transition stated 7/1/2013). ODU did not (announce 2012 to reclassify in 2013, transition started 7/1/2013).

They are on the exact same timeline to become FBS and bowl eligible; but ODU delayed a year from the announcement which is why ODU was playoff eligible in 2012.