(11-12-2014 03:25 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  would they go without Air Force or others from MWC?

State would hesitate long enough to ask BigTX representatives if Wyo, AFA, and New Mexico could come along, and then they'd sprint into Bevo's/Sooner's arms.

(11-12-2014 04:58 PM)All Rams All The Time Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 03:25 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  would they go without Air Force or others from MWC?

State would hesitate long enough to ask BigTX representatives if Wyo, AFA, and New Mexico could come along, and then they'd sprint into Bevo's/Sooner's arms.

Nah...they would blurt "Hell Yeah!" before the B12 even finished asking.

I would think the Texas school is Rice. It puts the conference back in Houston, the conference gets an academic stud, and Texas gets a school it likes. I thought UT was done with UH. Never a fan kind of thing.

Colorado State isn't a surprise. They're looking to spend good coin on venue reno's, though their OCS project only got half its projected fundraising target. I know they're spending or will spend a lot on some academic buildings, and that they're sniffing around the AAU.

Man, if Tulane did all this work and spend so much on venues to get outdone by Rice. Ew.

(11-12-2014 05:17 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I would think the Texas school is Rice. It puts the conference back in Houston, the conference gets an academic stud, and Texas gets a school it likes. I thought UT was done with UH. Never a fan kind of thing.

Colorado State isn't a surprise. They're looking to spend good coin on venue reno's, though their OCS project only got half its projected fundraising target. I know they're spending or will spend a lot on some academic buildings, and that they're sniffing around the AAU.

Man, if Tulane did all this work and spend so much on venues to get outdone by Rice. Ew.

If UT is trying to kill the conference then yes, by all means add yet another Texas School.

(11-12-2014 05:17 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I would think the Texas school is Rice. It puts the conference back in Houston, the conference gets an academic stud, and Texas gets a school it likes. I thought UT was done with UH. Never a fan kind of thing.

And, to answer to 10thMountain's point, Rice does not recruit against Texas, Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor. Rice is looking for the athletes who choose Northwestern, Vanderbilt, Stanford, and Duke.

Rice would be very willing to accept a TCU-like deal for partial revenue sharing while we redo the football stadium.

(11-12-2014 05:29 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  

(11-12-2014 05:17 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I would think the Texas school is Rice. It puts the conference back in Houston, the conference gets an academic stud, and Texas gets a school it likes. I thought UT was done with UH. Never a fan kind of thing.

Colorado State isn't a surprise. They're looking to spend good coin on venue reno's, though their OCS project only got half its projected fundraising target. I know they're spending or will spend a lot on some academic buildings, and that they're sniffing around the AAU.

Man, if Tulane did all this work and spend so much on venues to get outdone by Rice. Ew.

If UT is trying to kill the conference then yes, by all means add yet another Texas School.

While I think an awful lot of Rice, I would have to agree. The old SWC died in part because it was too condensed. As deserving as Rice or Houston may be, I don't think either would be included. I know few will agree, but if the Big XII were to expand by four, I like Cincy, Tulane, Memphis and UCF (after a name change).

Rice is interesting

like you said, its essentially giving the current Texoma schools recruiting trips to Houston but with very little risk and giving the conference's academics a much needed shot in the arm.

Of course that has to be counterbalanced by Rice bringing absolutely nothing in terms of revenue while consuming a partial revenue cut that will eventually be a full a revenue cut (Rice wont agree to a less than equal share forever) and foregoing a chance to expand into new territory

After re-reading the OP. I don't think they will add 4 schools. They'll expand with 2 schools from the 4 possible mentioned.
Also, the Big 12 doesn't have to have divisions, if part of the legislation that the ACC sponsors follows through but with still the 12 team minimum. So there wouldn't be any conjecture regarding the Iowa States not be able to play in Texas.
With 4 (or 5) Texas schools, a schedule can be worked where the northern Big 12 schools get to play in Texas every year.

Rice would be better served in the ACC as the ACC would be able to bolster its recruiting presence in Texas.

What do the regular rumor starters say on the matter?

(11-12-2014 06:01 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Rice would be better served in the ACC as the ACC would be able to bolster its recruiting presence in Texas.

You have to have a recruiting presence before you can bolster it. Rice would simply give them a recruiting presence in Texas. But it would be a significant outlier unless another school like Tulane formed a I-10 bridge to the Owls. And I doubt with N.D. hanging around as a partial that the ACC goes to 16 via that route.

And as I said before, Texas and Oklahoma are going to wait to see what happens with the ACC before they make a move of any kind. Their biggest issue with the Big 12 as presently constructed is that their fans are not energized by the schedule, and they do not have many academic peers.

Adding Colorado state and New Mexico would make sense. That would allow the Big12 to own a region of the country.

A sparsely populated one.

Once again, the talking point about the Big 12 expanding with programs that will not make it stronger, it is all about having the opposite affect. Don't take it seriously, it is about continuously pointing out how poor the situation is for the Big 12 when it comes to trying to expand to 12. That is the real methodology behind power people tossing these talking points to the puppets.

The Big 12 is not going to expand with these schools. Every time the administrators have to talk about it and face it, it will be frustrating for them because it will cause a clash of positions within the conference.

You think not having to have divisions will help? The problem with two divisions in the Big 12 isn't about divisions themselves, it is about trying to figure out whom to put in what division. It is about having the Texas schools and Oklahoma schools all able to play each other. IF you have a 12 team conference with no divisions, what are you going to do? Are you going to go to an 11 game conference schedule? Highly doubtful. No divisions with 12 teams does not fix anything for the scheduling problem that caused divisions to fail for the Big 12 when it actually had 12 teams. Compare Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado to BYU, Colorado State and Cincinnati. What was a problem before is an even worse problem now with that kind of expansion.

From a pure geography standpoint, the best adds from the P5 would be Northern Illinois and Cincinnati. This would be as close to a contiguous bridge to Morgantown the Big 12 could make. Indiana would be the only gap in the footprint, but parts of Indiana are in the Chicago and Cincinnati TV markets, so it wouldn't be that obvious of a gap.

Maybe that's why we saw the stadium capacity update from NIU... I'm guessing they know about this and they're reaching.

If NIU is doing such, it isn't about "this". It is more about them trying to get invited into that next level...which would be a 20 team AAC. NIU to the Big 12? Funny.

20 team AAC? And the Big XXI is a joke?

(11-12-2014 07:15 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  20 team AAC? And the Big XXI is a joke?

Four divisions, five teams per division and a seven game conference schedule. It is highly regionalized in order to keep travel expenses down and yet everyone plays one game against every other division thus completely connecting their entire scheduling web together in order to strengthen their SoS's.

It's not a joke simply because you do not understand it. Also, I never said the Big 12 is a joke. It is ok to say you don't understand and would like further explanation.

Oh I get it. I just don't know where it came from.