(11-19-2014 08:21 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

Uh.. HUm.... We are 1-3 OCC. Just saying

You are pumped about beating Savannah State!??? I wish we would play you guys in a bowl game.

Brett McMurphy:
‏@McMurphyESPN
Kent State at Buffalo cancelled and will not be rescheduled


Buffalo can't make it to 6 wins now, so that's good news.

BUT. UNC beating Duke right now does not help.

(11-20-2014 06:15 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

It doesn't matter if you're in the SEC. You're provisional FBS and you're last in line. You also have 0 wins over teams with winning FBS records (unless USA manages to upset either Navy or South Carolina or Texas State manages to win 2 games).

It would have made little difference had you beaten NC State and Georgia Tech too.

There's a reason why App redshirted all of their players.

Ga Southern might make it in, but you don't control your destiny.

What the heck does appy redshirting anyone have to do with this discussion. We get it you are young but it's not like we didn't redshirt a bunch also. Heck everyone did. App didn't just re-invent the wheel. I bet if your coach had someone special he would have pulled the red shirt no matter what coach speak he tells to media and boosters.

The point was "this year is a transitional year". Winning 8 games is great, but burning up eligibility for a year where bowling requires luck - rather than talent - might not be the best strategy.

(11-20-2014 09:11 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote:  Brett McMurphy:
‏@McMurphyESPN
Kent State at Buffalo cancelled and will not be rescheduled


Buffalo can't make it to 6 wins now, so that's good news.

BUT. UNC beating Duke right now does not help.

Yes, Duke is not making me happy right now.

Although there's still the potential that UNC self-imposes a bowl ban with all the academic fraud issues they are dealing with right now. Although they might just go to a bowl anyway and wait for whatever the NCAA throws at them.

(11-20-2014 09:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 06:15 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

It doesn't matter if you're in the SEC. You're provisional FBS and you're last in line. You also have 0 wins over teams with winning FBS records (unless USA manages to upset either Navy or South Carolina or Texas State manages to win 2 games).

It would have made little difference had you beaten NC State and Georgia Tech too.

There's a reason why App redshirted all of their players.

Ga Southern might make it in, but you don't control your destiny.

What the heck does appy redshirting anyone have to do with this discussion. We get it you are young but it's not like we didn't redshirt a bunch also. Heck everyone did. App didn't just re-invent the wheel. I bet if your coach had someone special he would have pulled the red shirt no matter what coach speak he tells to media and boosters.

The point was "this year is a transitional year". Winning 8 games is great, but burning up eligibility for a year where bowling requires luck - rather than talent - might not be the best strategy.

I'd rather build momentum for the program than lay an egg. Losing a lot of games to build for the future wouldn't help us where we are, we needed to come out guns blazing and keep the fanbase engaged. If we make a bowl it's icing on the cake, if not, we can spin it and get the fanbase enraged about it. We respond well to being pissed off from feeling slighted, it's probably when we have our best support.

(11-20-2014 08:00 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 08:21 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

Uh.. HUm.... We are 1-3 OCC. Just saying

You are pumped about beating Savannah State!??? I wish we would play you guys in a bowl game.

Cajun lack of reading comp.

Notice the "Just saying". Nowhere did I mention that anybody was "pumped" over that win. But it goes in the W column.

And the premise that it doesn't matter who you lost to or the fashion in which you lost it is simply wrong. (Same as the fashion in which you beat a cupcake.. Tell me beating Savannah state by 70 is the same as beating them by 3. I mean... Imagine only beating GAST by 3.. )

But a last 30 second loss to the ACC Coastal Division champs who are going to knock off FSU in the ACC CCG is more impressive than had we just been destroyed (like we were in Annapolis). The fact that they are top 20 and might finish higher - imop - makes it a quality loss. Don't believe in those? Ask the CFP Board about Miss State's loss to Alabama then.

Point being, lets not just look simply at the OOC W\L list to determine when a team deserves a bowl.

(11-20-2014 10:24 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 09:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 06:15 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

It doesn't matter if you're in the SEC. You're provisional FBS and you're last in line. You also have 0 wins over teams with winning FBS records (unless USA manages to upset either Navy or South Carolina or Texas State manages to win 2 games).

It would have made little difference had you beaten NC State and Georgia Tech too.

There's a reason why App redshirted all of their players.

Ga Southern might make it in, but you don't control your destiny.

What the heck does appy redshirting anyone have to do with this discussion. We get it you are young but it's not like we didn't redshirt a bunch also. Heck everyone did. App didn't just re-invent the wheel. I bet if your coach had someone special he would have pulled the red shirt no matter what coach speak he tells to media and boosters.

The point was "this year is a transitional year". Winning 8 games is great, but burning up eligibility for a year where bowling requires luck - rather than talent - might not be the best strategy.

I'd rather build momentum for the program than lay an egg. Losing a lot of games to build for the future wouldn't help us where we are, we needed to come out guns blazing and keep the fanbase engaged. If we make a bowl it's icing on the cake, if not, we can spin it and get the fanbase enraged about it. We respond well to being pissed off from feeling slighted, it's probably when we have our best support.

(11-21-2014 01:34 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 08:00 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 08:21 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

Uh.. HUm.... We are 1-3 OCC. Just saying

You are pumped about beating Savannah State!??? I wish we would play you guys in a bowl game.

Cajun lack of reading comp.

Notice the "Just saying". Nowhere did I mention that anybody was "pumped" over that win. But it goes in the W column.

And the premise that it doesn't matter who you lost to or the fashion in which you lost it is simply wrong. (Same as the fashion in which you beat a cupcake.. Tell me beating Savannah state by 70 is the same as beating them by 3. I mean... Imagine only beating GAST by 3.. )

But a last 30 second loss to the ACC Coastal Division champs who are going to knock off FSU in the ACC CCG is more impressive than had we just been destroyed (like we were in Annapolis). The fact that they are top 20 and might finish higher - imop - makes it a quality loss. Don't believe in those? Ask the CFP Board about Miss State's loss to Alabama then.

Point being, lets not just look simply at the OOC W\L list to determine when a team deserves a bowl.

Except that's exactly what the bowls do. It sure was brought up in the first two years of the NO Bowl that North Texas was O-fer LOC and even once got a bowl when they were 5-6 because they were the conference champion.

What I think the GS fan base is going to have to adjust to is the likelihood going forward that no matter how good its teams are the season is going to end in either one of three (and sometimes four) bowls.

So the real challenge is to adjust to the fact that you aren't atop of the hill anymore but in the middle of a much larger mountain that (by the way the rules are set) you will never reach the summit.

(11-20-2014 09:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 06:15 PM)SBEagle Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 01:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

It doesn't matter if you're in the SEC. You're provisional FBS and you're last in line. You also have 0 wins over teams with winning FBS records (unless USA manages to upset either Navy or South Carolina or Texas State manages to win 2 games).

It would have made little difference had you beaten NC State and Georgia Tech too.

There's a reason why App redshirted all of their players.

Ga Southern might make it in, but you don't control your destiny.

What the heck does appy redshirting anyone have to do with this discussion. We get it you are young but it's not like we didn't redshirt a bunch also. Heck everyone did. App didn't just re-invent the wheel. I bet if your coach had someone special he would have pulled the red shirt no matter what coach speak he tells to media and boosters.

The point was "this year is a transitional year". Winning 8 games is great, but burning up eligibility for a year where bowling requires luck - rather than talent - might not be the best strategy.

edited b/c I sounded like an a$& and I'm tired of discussing appy state.

(11-21-2014 07:02 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  What I think the GS fan base is going to have to adjust to is the likelihood going forward that no matter how good its teams are the season is going to end in either one of three (and sometimes four) bowls.

So the real challenge is to adjust to the fact that you aren't atop of the hill anymore but in the middle of a much larger mountain that (by the way the rules are set) you will never reach the summit.

There are goals that can be achieved though. We will strive to accomplish those goals and keep moving forward.

Yes, we will not be able to make the playoff in its current state so a national championship is out of the question for the forseeable future, but there are still new things we can do that we've never had the opportunity to do before.

This whole "you should accept the status quo" mentality of this conference is quite a drag.

It's like when that new employee gets hired who has lots of energy and vision and has bought into the companies slogan and then everybody else is like "yeah whatever kid."

GS - "YEAH! Together We Rise! Right guys?"
Sun Belt - "Eh... That's just something we say, not do."

I really hope we as a team and a fan base continue to push the envelope. Sometimes thats the only way to bring about positive change. Of course if we lose our AD and President soon and that could all change.

(11-21-2014 09:18 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  This whole "you should accept the status quo" mentality of this conference is quite a drag.

It's like when that new employee gets hired who has lots of energy and vision and has bought into the companies slogan and then everybody else is like "yeah whatever kid."

GS - "YEAH! Together We Rise! Right guys?"
Sun Belt - "Eh... That's just something we say, not do."

I really hope we as a team and a fan base continue to push the envelope. Sometimes thats the only way to bring about positive change. Of course if we lose our AD and President soon and that could all change.

Or you keep getting kicked in the junk over and over by your own commissioner, by bowl committees, by the NCAA and you realize... Wow this really is a shty job, now I see what they were talking about on my first day. You will realize it the first time you are passed over for money over merit, or maybe you won't... Maybe you won't see it until it's happen to you 4 or 5 times. It's pretty much control what you can control on the field and pray you don't get screwed.

(11-21-2014 09:02 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 07:02 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  What I think the GS fan base is going to have to adjust to is the likelihood going forward that no matter how good its teams are the season is going to end in either one of three (and sometimes four) bowls.

So the real challenge is to adjust to the fact that you aren't atop of the hill anymore but in the middle of a much larger mountain that (by the way the rules are set) you will never reach the summit.

There are goals that can be achieved though. We will strive to accomplish those goals and keep moving forward.

Yes, we will not be able to make the playoff in its current state so a national championship is out of the question for the forseeable future, but there are still new things we can do that we've never had the opportunity to do before.

I like that attitude!

I had projected before last weekend there would be 75 bowl eligible teams.

Unfortunately, I now have to raise that projection. North Carolina's win over Duke, Northwestern's win over Notre Dame (they have a legit chance to get to six now) and Arkansas' win over LSU (they still have a chance as well) makes me believe the number will be closer to 78.

That not only removes Georgia Southern from consideration, it also means there's a very good likelihood that someone from the Sun Belt will sit at home.

And, after last night, I think, outside of the Cajuns, no one should be counting any chickens.

(11-21-2014 09:23 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:18 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  This whole "you should accept the status quo" mentality of this conference is quite a drag.

It's like when that new employee gets hired who has lots of energy and vision and has bought into the companies slogan and then everybody else is like "yeah whatever kid."

GS - "YEAH! Together We Rise! Right guys?"
Sun Belt - "Eh... That's just something we say, not do."

I really hope we as a team and a fan base continue to push the envelope. Sometimes thats the only way to bring about positive change. Of course if we lose our AD and President soon and that could all change.

Or you keep getting kicked in the junk over and over by your own commissioner, by bowl committees, by the NCAA and you realize... Wow this really is a shty job, now I see what they were talking about on my first day. You will realize it the first time you are passed over for money over merit, or maybe you won't... Maybe you won't see it until it's happen to you 4 or 5 times. It's pretty much control what you can control on the field and pray you don't get screwed.

GS's experienced a significant increase in national exposure as a first year FBS member. Whatever the case we're ecstatic about the opportunity. I personally was amazed to see such recognition for competing in the Sun Belt. Never in my wildest imagination did I think we would see the university mentioned so often in and on nationally distributed and televised media. Not to mention the increased exposure from games. The App state game was basically a nationally televised three hour commercial of the history and success of the program choreographed and directed by Eagle Nation. We couldn't have written a better script.

(11-21-2014 10:02 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:23 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:18 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  This whole "you should accept the status quo" mentality of this conference is quite a drag.

It's like when that new employee gets hired who has lots of energy and vision and has bought into the companies slogan and then everybody else is like "yeah whatever kid."

GS - "YEAH! Together We Rise! Right guys?"
Sun Belt - "Eh... That's just something we say, not do."

I really hope we as a team and a fan base continue to push the envelope. Sometimes thats the only way to bring about positive change. Of course if we lose our AD and President soon and that could all change.

Or you keep getting kicked in the junk over and over by your own commissioner, by bowl committees, by the NCAA and you realize... Wow this really is a shty job, now I see what they were talking about on my first day. You will realize it the first time you are passed over for money over merit, or maybe you won't... Maybe you won't see it until it's happen to you 4 or 5 times. It's pretty much control what you can control on the field and pray you don't get screwed.

GS's experienced a significant increase in national exposure as a first year FBS member. Whatever the case we're ecstatic about the opportunity. I personally was amazed to see such recognition for competing in the Sun Belt. Never in my wildest imagination did I think we would see the university mentioned so often in and on nationally distributed and televised media. Not to mention the increased exposure from games. The App state game was basically a nationally televised three hour commercial of the history and success of the program choreographed and directed by Eagle Nation. We couldn't have written a better script.

Yes, that's nice. But once the newness wears off all that will be left is the nut kicking and the rug pulling. Money talks bull**** walks.

(11-21-2014 10:08 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 10:02 AM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:23 AM)Louisiana99 Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 09:18 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  This whole "you should accept the status quo" mentality of this conference is quite a drag.

It's like when that new employee gets hired who has lots of energy and vision and has bought into the companies slogan and then everybody else is like "yeah whatever kid."

GS - "YEAH! Together We Rise! Right guys?"
Sun Belt - "Eh... That's just something we say, not do."

I really hope we as a team and a fan base continue to push the envelope. Sometimes thats the only way to bring about positive change. Of course if we lose our AD and President soon and that could all change.

Or you keep getting kicked in the junk over and over by your own commissioner, by bowl committees, by the NCAA and you realize... Wow this really is a shty job, now I see what they were talking about on my first day. You will realize it the first time you are passed over for money over merit, or maybe you won't... Maybe you won't see it until it's happen to you 4 or 5 times. It's pretty much control what you can control on the field and pray you don't get screwed.

GS's experienced a significant increase in national exposure as a first year FBS member. Whatever the case we're ecstatic about the opportunity. I personally was amazed to see such recognition for competing in the Sun Belt. Never in my wildest imagination did I think we would see the university mentioned so often in and on nationally distributed and televised media. Not to mention the increased exposure from games. The App state game was basically a nationally televised three hour commercial of the history and success of the program choreographed and directed by Eagle Nation. We couldn't have written a better script.

Yes, that's nice. But once the newness wears off all that will be left is the nut kicking and the rug pulling. Money talks bull**** walks.

Exactly, it's your their first year... Makes a nice story. Second year the talking heads will go back to not giving a sht about the G5 and screwing every year that whatever G5 gets the access bowl doesn't deserve it... Blah blah blah. Seriously, I would have punch herbstriet in the mouth for NIU if I saw him in person. I never witnessed someone dog out and degrade college kids who did what was asked of them to be put in a position of playing in a bcs game. Everyone knew the rules, niu played by the rules and got in. If they don't like it that way they should change the rules... Oh wait

(11-21-2014 09:46 AM)BirdofParadise Wrote:  I had projected before last weekend there would be 75 bowl eligible teams.

Unfortunately, I now have to raise that projection. North Carolina's win over Duke, Northwestern's win over Notre Dame (they have a legit chance to get to six now) and Arkansas' win over LSU (they still have a chance as well) makes me believe the number will be closer to 78.

That not only removes Georgia Southern from consideration, it also means there's a very good likelihood that someone from the Sun Belt will sit at home.

And, after last night, I think, outside of the Cajuns, no one should be counting any chickens.

I still think Texas State has a real shot!

If Texas State wins, as expected, vs. Ga State, they would be at 7 wins and have a real shot.

Would the New Orleans Bowl even consider them geographically? I would imagine the NO Bowl would still covet the Cajuns, sending Tx St. to Mobile?

Just wondering.

(11-21-2014 06:56 AM)AstroCajun Wrote:  

(11-21-2014 01:34 AM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-20-2014 08:00 PM)Louisianafanrcajun90 Wrote:  

(11-19-2014 08:21 PM)The4thOption Wrote:  

(11-16-2014 09:47 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  Maybe we can close this thread that never needed to be started. We're in a conference with 3 Bowl tie-ins outside of being the highest ranked G5. The math will be easy every year. We are 0-3 OOC which should never be good enough for any team to go bowling.

Uh.. HUm.... We are 1-3 OCC. Just saying

You are pumped about beating Savannah State!??? I wish we would play you guys in a bowl game.

Cajun lack of reading comp.

Notice the "Just saying". Nowhere did I mention that anybody was "pumped" over that win. But it goes in the W column.

And the premise that it doesn't matter who you lost to or the fashion in which you lost it is simply wrong. (Same as the fashion in which you beat a cupcake.. Tell me beating Savannah state by 70 is the same as beating them by 3. I mean... Imagine only beating GAST by 3.. )

But a last 30 second loss to the ACC Coastal Division champs who are going to knock off FSU in the ACC CCG is more impressive than had we just been destroyed (like we were in Annapolis). The fact that they are top 20 and might finish higher - imop - makes it a quality loss. Don't believe in those? Ask the CFP Board about Miss State's loss to Alabama then.

Point being, lets not just look simply at the OOC W\L list to determine when a team deserves a bowl.

Except that's exactly what the bowls do. It sure was brought up in the first two years of the NO Bowl that North Texas was O-fer LOC and even once got a bowl when they were 5-6 because they were the conference champion.

I'm not arguing that. I think most Southern fans get that the Bowls are about money and who will bring the most fans and so regional teams at 6-6 might get invited over a 9-3 or 10-2 team. That's not the point of the above.

Not arguing more merit, but that you can't simply say... "If you dont win any OOC games, you don't ever "deserve" a bowl". The Merit I'm talking about is with the fans there and pointing out that if you were to schedule the top 3 teams in the country OOC and lost them all by a point - it would be better or more
"deserving" than scheduling 3 of the worst OOC and winning those by a little. I also think the polls would reflect that. Then again, Marshall is ranked pretty high.