(12-02-2014 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 03:22 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If Alabama loses I suspect they will only drop to fourth. That is what happened to MS State... That said, they won't lose. At this point I am putting my conference ahead of Missouri. We will have the #1 ranked team and it will remain that way.

If Alabama loses to Missouri, it would depend upon how they looked. That being said, do they really deserve a chance to win the National Championship if they cant win the SEC Championship?

That would be a bold statement indeed by the Committee.

If Bama loses to Missouri they are out.
If Florida State loses to Georgia Tech they are out.
If Oregon loses to Arizona, again, they are out.
The safest of the top four right now is T.C.U. they are in if they beat a 3 win Iowa State.
It takes two upsets for Baylor to get in and that is if they beat a good Kansas State team.
It takes one upset for Ohio State to get in and that is if they beat a good Wisconsin team which has a superior run defense and matches up nicely with the Buckeyes.

As I see it Missouri has a 35% chance of upsetting Alabama. They run similar schemes both offensively and defensively and Alabama will be familiar with them and they with Alabama because of it. So it comes down to athletes. Advantage Alabama but not by a wide margin.

Georgia Tech controls clock and ball. Florida State is mistake happy. I give Georgia Tech a 50% chance of pulling that upset.

Since Arizona beat Oregon earlier this year I favor the Ducks slightly but on motivation only. We'll see.

There is still too much to be decided to feel good about any of the top 4 other than the Frogs.

(12-02-2014 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 03:22 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If Alabama loses I suspect they will only drop to fourth. That is what happened to MS State... That said, they won't lose. At this point I am putting my conference ahead of Missouri. We will have the #1 ranked team and it will remain that way.

If Alabama loses to Missouri, it would depend upon how they looked. That being said, do they really deserve a chance to win the National Championship if they cant win the SEC Championship?

That would be a bold statement indeed by the Committee.

I remember Alabama playing LSU for the National Championship. They were not both SEC champions.

That was a farce and the national ratings reflected it. Okie State should have been playing LSU. If Alabama loses, all the other top schools win, so that there are 5 one loss or better schools, all with a conference champs tag (Baylor and TCU co-champs) and Alabama manages to make the playoff as a 2 loss non-champ, then something is very corrupt in CFB, and I would stop paying attention to it until a champs only model is adopted.

(12-03-2014 01:36 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That was a farce and the national ratings reflected it. Okie State should have been playing LSU. If Alabama loses, all the other top schools win, so that there are 5 one loss or better schools, all with a conference champs tag (Baylor and TCU co-champs) and Alabama manages to make the playoff as a 2 loss non-champ, then something is very corrupt in CFB, and I would stop paying attention to it until a champs only model is adopted.

Oh I totally agree. Everyone is always talking here about network ratings and profits, so I wonder if the networks won't try to intervene.

(12-03-2014 12:01 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 08:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-02-2014 03:22 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  If Alabama loses I suspect they will only drop to fourth. That is what happened to MS State... That said, they won't lose. At this point I am putting my conference ahead of Missouri. We will have the #1 ranked team and it will remain that way.

If Alabama loses to Missouri, it would depend upon how they looked. That being said, do they really deserve a chance to win the National Championship if they cant win the SEC Championship?

That would be a bold statement indeed by the Committee.

I remember Alabama playing LSU for the National Championship. They were not both SEC champions.

That was not the Playoff Committee's decision and now the Committee has hindsight to see what a bad decision that was.

(12-03-2014 09:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 01:36 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That was a farce and the national ratings reflected it. Okie State should have been playing LSU. If Alabama loses, all the other top schools win, so that there are 5 one loss or better schools, all with a conference champs tag (Baylor and TCU co-champs) and Alabama manages to make the playoff as a 2 loss non-champ, then something is very corrupt in CFB, and I would stop paying attention to it until a champs only model is adopted.

Oh I totally agree. Everyone is always talking here about network ratings and profits, so I wonder if the networks won't try to intervene.

ESPN has a rep in the Committee. He gets listened to and the #1 Alabama vs #4 Florida State and #2 Oregon vs #3 TCU reflects that in my opinion.

(12-04-2014 12:09 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 01:36 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That was a farce and the national ratings reflected it. Okie State should have been playing LSU. If Alabama loses, all the other top schools win, so that there are 5 one loss or better schools, all with a conference champs tag (Baylor and TCU co-champs) and Alabama manages to make the playoff as a 2 loss non-champ, then something is very corrupt in CFB, and I would stop paying attention to it until a champs only model is adopted.

Oh I totally agree. Everyone is always talking here about network ratings and profits, so I wonder if the networks won't try to intervene.

ESPN has a rep in the Committee. He gets listened to and the #1 Alabama vs #4 Florida State and #2 Oregon vs #3 TCU reflects that in my opinion.

But if the rankings are completely dependent upon selling tix (and I agree it is) then why not just have FSU #1 and 'Bama #4?

(12-04-2014 07:11 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 12:09 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 09:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-03-2014 01:36 AM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  That was a farce and the national ratings reflected it. Okie State should have been playing LSU. If Alabama loses, all the other top schools win, so that there are 5 one loss or better schools, all with a conference champs tag (Baylor and TCU co-champs) and Alabama manages to make the playoff as a 2 loss non-champ, then something is very corrupt in CFB, and I would stop paying attention to it until a champs only model is adopted.

Oh I totally agree. Everyone is always talking here about network ratings and profits, so I wonder if the networks won't try to intervene.

ESPN has a rep in the Committee. He gets listened to and the #1 Alabama vs #4 Florida State and #2 Oregon vs #3 TCU reflects that in my opinion.

But if the rankings are completely dependent upon selling tix (and I agree it is) then why not just have FSU #1 and 'Bama #4?

Well I think it is pretty much unanimous that Alabama looks better. Every other poll has them up there as well. So if you aren't going to have FSU at #1 then it is for the best that they are at #4. I mean, it is much easier to sell FSU as #4 than it would be to sell Alabama at #4.

What I think they should have done is put Oregon at #1 and TCU at #4 with Alabama at #2 going against FSU at #3. What do I know though right?

(12-04-2014 08:19 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well I think it is pretty much unanimous that Alabama looks better. Every other poll has them up there as well. So if you aren't going to have FSU at #1 then it is for the best that they are at #4. I mean, it is much easier to sell FSU as #4 than it would be to sell Alabama at #4.

What I think they should have done is put Oregon at #1 and TCU at #4 with Alabama at #2 going against FSU at #3. What do I know though right?

That gets the same results as well. My issue is the strained logic being used to justify how an undefeated team with OCC wins against ND, OKST, and UF is somehow 4th.

(12-04-2014 10:36 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(12-04-2014 08:19 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Well I think it is pretty much unanimous that Alabama looks better. Every other poll has them up there as well. So if you aren't going to have FSU at #1 then it is for the best that they are at #4. I mean, it is much easier to sell FSU as #4 than it would be to sell Alabama at #4.

What I think they should have done is put Oregon at #1 and TCU at #4 with Alabama at #2 going against FSU at #3. What do I know though right?

That gets the same results as well. My issue is the strained logic being used to justify how an undefeated team with OCC wins against ND, OKST, and UF is somehow 4th.

That is because you are focusing on the number and not the fact that what really matters is that you are in. Beyond getting in, the second thing that matters the most is where you are playing. I would say it is more important for FSU to play at the Sugar Bowl than it is for them to be ranked #3 instead of #4.

The best answer is to go to an eight team playoff, utilizing four New Years Day bowl games. All four bowls would be relevant instead of just two.

Well I don't think the SEC is going to get shut out of the playoffs now. Sorry Medic, Mizzou gave them a game for 3 and half quarters. But I am happy we will have an entrant.

No chance of that now. Roll Tide.

(12-06-2014 07:39 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well I don't think the SEC is going to get shut out of the playoffs now. Sorry Medic, Mizzou gave them a game for 3 and half quarters. But I am happy we will have an entrant.

Its all good for me. Glad we have someone in there. I figured Mizzou would lose, but those last two touchdowns hurt. It was still competitive until that. We have work to do... I will take 10-3 though. We were talking 7-5 in August.

(12-06-2014 07:53 PM)Guardian Wrote:  No chance of that now. Roll Tide.

Roll Tide!

There should be no reason for the SEC to have to worry about getting into the playoff. It would be absurd and the committee would have had a mess on their hands.

Two PhD students have started a blog outlining how and why a move to 16 teams in the right move for college football.

https://futurecfp.wordpress.com/

(12-07-2014 01:45 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  There should be no reason for the SEC to have to worry about getting into the playoff. It would be absurd and the committee would have had a mess on their hands.

Two PhD students have started a blog outlining how and why a move to 16 teams in the right move for college football.

https://futurecfp.wordpress.com/

All they do is rehash old ground and naively ignore the financial and political aspects that preclude their dream from ever happening. At the end of the day, the P5 conferences would rather ESPN control the CFP than the NCAA, regardless of if the latter made everyone more money.

I understand what you are saying, but in the end, I really do think money talks. Check out the brackets they posted. It would seem everyone could make really good money on a tournament like that.

(12-08-2014 09:38 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  I understand what you are saying, but in the end, I really do think money talks. Check out the brackets they posted. It would seem everyone could make really good money on a tournament like that.

Money does talk, but it's the conferences that are the ones that have to listen. If an expanding playoff can occur within the conference structure then it will happen. But not even ESPN has enough money to get the P5 conferences and their affiliated bowls to agree to a 16 team playoff. To say nothing to the legal ramifications of an expanding field that excludes the G5.