(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

(11-10-2014 03:37 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  yeah a pretty average track record over 15 years with the exception of 2004-2008. And if JMU has all this superior talent year in and year out as you claim compared to our peers ----- that actually makes me think less of MM's abilities as a coach that he was very mediocre with better talent than our opponents.

MM could not hold Chance McMillan or Rip's jock as a coach.

Just to fortify your point, remember it was MM that would say every February that that recruiting class was the best ever at JMU. If that was the case, why so much mediocrity at the end of his tenure?

What would you tell people about the players you recruit ? And we play in the SEC of FCS , I dont know why people tend to forget that fact. It is very hard to have 10 win seasons consistently in our conference.

(11-10-2014 03:37 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  yeah a pretty average track record over 15 years with the exception of 2004-2008. And if JMU has all this superior talent year in and year out as you claim compared to our peers ----- that actually makes me think less of MM's abilities as a coach that he was very mediocre with better talent than our opponents.

MM could not hold Chance McMillan or Rip's jock as a coach.

Just to fortify your point, remember it was MM that would say every February that that recruiting class was the best ever at JMU. If that was the case, why so much mediocrity at the end of his tenure?

Preaching to the choir 71

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

(11-10-2014 03:44 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:37 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:25 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  yeah a pretty average track record over 15 years with the exception of 2004-2008. And if JMU has all this superior talent year in and year out as you claim compared to our peers ----- that actually makes me think less of MM's abilities as a coach that he was very mediocre with better talent than our opponents.

MM could not hold Chance McMillan or Rip's jock as a coach.

Just to fortify your point, remember it was MM that would say every February that that recruiting class was the best ever at JMU. If that was the case, why so much mediocrity at the end of his tenure?

What would you tell people about the players you recruit ? And we play in the SEC of FCS , I dont know why people tend to forget that fact. It is very hard to have 10 win seasons consistently in our conference.

what don't you get most of us do not expect 10 win seasons each year, but expect 8-9 win seasons for sure with the occassional 10 win regular season.

That SEC of FCS was more accurate a few years back....i don't buy into that stuff and have not for a few years. The top of the CAA is no better than the top of Big Sky or Missouri Valley.

(11-10-2014 04:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

Because Hofsta didnt compete along with putting players in the NFL and UMass never had multple NC game appearences along with NFL players as well. Stop it.

(11-10-2014 04:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

Yeah, that Hofstra team beat us during their last home game. One of the more sickening games I've had to endure. I remember their announcing crew was as homer as they come.

Let's not forget Mickey actually referred to those low attendance stadiums as having a huge home field advantage over us, since our players were used to playing in front of big crowds.

I was a huge Mickey supporter and appreciate everything he did for JMU, but a change had to be made. So far that change has energized this team. In time that will carry over to the fans.

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Yeah! And a touchdown back then was worth only 2 points, and "extra tries" had to be kicked barefoot (and uphill of course) from the 25 yard line!

It was murder I tell ya, we get no respect, no respect at all for how tough it was back in the day!

(11-10-2014 09:04 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 05:18 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:30 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  I think one of the things this staff has done really well is adjusting during the game. It's a great feeling knowing our team is never out of it even when down by 2 scores.
Plus, let's not forget this team was the (4th or 5th) team this year facing us with an extra week to prepare for us. Lots of things not in our favor, but we've still found ways to win. As much credit as this staff gets, the players should be getting as much if not more. These guys just refuse to give up.

If we could only start games stronger... we could actually win it this year.

VU, UD, SBU

Vs UNCC both teams had the prior week off, so that cancels each other out.

Lehigh also didn't have a week 1 game, so technically they had a bye before our game, as well.

True. In that case it probably hurt as much as it helped, because the cliche is teams make typically make their biggest improvement after the 1st game.

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:27 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  and if you do not see a culture shift/change in this program this year --- you are simply refusing to see it or live in MMs basement

Been here since 2001 , he is just a coach from FBS moving those new ideas to our FCS school. There has not been a "major" shift as people try to communicate. Big difference is Withers has more personality than MM, people tend to gravitate towards that. But The core off the JMU program is still the same. Imo

The program is not the same at all. The change is not a bigger personality at HC. The change is more fundamental at all levels. The change alone to the team GPA is due to Coach Withers mandating that everyone have a mandatory study hall, no matter the GPA. Coach Smith is running those study halls to make sure the players do the work. In prior years, the academic staff ran it without much input from the coaching staff. That's just on the academic side. On the football side, there's no more cliques and these guys are all hanging out together. I talked to several former players at Homecoming (Jordon Stanton, Pat Williams, Vidal Nelson) and they all still talk to current players and to a man, they said there has been a huge change. No one had a bad thing to say about MM and they praised him in many ways but all said a change was due. The Thurs meetings where an alum comes in to speak to the players about being successful in life after football is a great mentoring and networking event.

I was fortunate enough to be in the locker room when they got their black uniforms and purple helmets. The way players embraced the coaching staff to thank them was great to see. It wasn't the usual quick "thanks" that you get from 18-22 year old kids. It was a genuine "you really care about me as a person" thank you.

MM did great things for JMU and I like him personally and I've thanked him for what he and his family did for JMU. I was hoping he would come back when they honor the 2004 championship team but I understand it may be a little too soon.

We can celebrate the changes without getting defensive about the past.

(11-10-2014 09:58 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:27 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  and if you do not see a culture shift/change in this program this year --- you are simply refusing to see it or live in MMs basement

Been here since 2001 , he is just a coach from FBS moving those new ideas to our FCS school. There has not been a "major" shift as people try to communicate. Big difference is Withers has more personality than MM, people tend to gravitate towards that. But The core off the JMU program is still the same. Imo

The program is not the same at all. The change is not a bigger personality at HC. The change is more fundamental at all levels. The change alone to the team GPA is due to Coach Withers mandating that everyone have a mandatory study hall, no matter the GPA. Coach Smith is running those study halls to make sure the players do the work. In prior years, the academic staff ran it without much input from the coaching staff. That's just on the academic side. On the football side, there's no more cliques and these guys are all hanging out together. I talked to several former players at Homecoming (Jordon Stanton, Pat Williams, Vidal Nelson) and they all still talk to current players and to a man, they said there has been a huge change. No one had a bad thing to say about MM and they praised him in many ways but all said a change was due. The Thurs meetings where an alum comes in to speak to the players about being successful in life after football is a great mentoring and networking event.

I was fortunate enough to be in the locker room when they got their black uniforms and purple helmets. The way players embraced the coaching staff to thank them was great to see. It wasn't the usual quick "thanks" that you get from 18-22 year old kids. It was a genuine "you really care about me as a person" thank you.

MM did great things for JMU and I like him personally and I've thanked him for what he and his family did for JMU. I was hoping he would come back when they honor the 2004 championship team but I understand it may be a little too soon.

We can celebrate the changes without getting defensive about the past.

We just going to have to disagree. MM didnt see a need for a high GPA player to be in study hall. And as for cliques , you are always going to hang out with the people you relate more too. Nothing wrong with it , as long as during team funtions we are cohesive. My good friends from the team come fron all different positions and it has always been like that. I talked to those players as well and the one consistent thing that is being stated to me is that they like the HC. He seems to relate to players more. I remember in 05 when MM came to me and asked me whether or not to stay with addidas or go with Nike, I told him Nike because thats what the players would love. There were not to many former Alum who liked MM so i can see why they would want to come now. This is just how I perceive it , my opinion in the grand scheme of things doesnt matter. I just love seeing our program continue to be successful.

I talked with another former DE recently who also really likes what Withers is doing. Former players think Withers is legit.

(11-10-2014 04:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

Because Hofsta didnt compete along with putting players in the NFL and UMass never had multple NC game appearences along with NFL players as well. Stop it.

putting a player or two in the NFL does not make a quality/stout program. Miss Valley St produced the best ever WR but that does not make them a power.

You are confusing a few great players with a good program. That is as you like to say comparing apples and oranges.

(11-11-2014 09:04 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

Because Hofsta didnt compete along with putting players in the NFL and UMass never had multple NC game appearences along with NFL players as well. Stop it.

putting a player or two in the NFL does not make a quality/stout program. Miss Valley St produced the best ever WR but that does not make them a power.

You are confusing a few great players with a good program. That is as you like to say comparing apples and oranges.

Hofstra had a good/avg football program , just didnt have the money to keep it going. Im not confused about anything.

(11-10-2014 10:31 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:51 PM)GeoJMU Wrote:  I've been one of those griping about the in-game coaching (not so much on these boards) but whatever this coaching staff lacks in experience, they make up with whatever they have done to create a never-give-up attitude with these players. No way we would have won these close games in recent past.

I'm all in now!

Lehigh , Charlotte , Albany , and Stoney brook are just ok wins on the road. We must beat Richmond next week. Those other teams are wins we expected.

Please were you not the very one who said this coaching staff will find out about the caliber of play in the CAA, especially on the road and now since they have been successful you minimalize the wins - geez.

Albany - long road trip and beat a ranked team on the road.
SB - long road trip and beat the #1 defense in all of FCS with over 500 yards of offense.

I think it may be time to give just a little credit. Also say what you will there is a definite culture change among these players --- last 4-5 years the team would have quit in the 2nd half and lost to lehigh, albany, & SB.

No, they were the #1 defense in the CAA. Not all of FCS.

(11-11-2014 09:04 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:14 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 04:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)bjk3047 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:32 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  No conpared to the teams we beat on the road , not in the historic CAA.

Back in his day, they had to score touchdowns in 6 feet of snow. Uphill, both ways!

Excuse me if I am a little confused.....is he referring to the historic CAA that inlcuded Hofsrta and NE who were so mediocre/bad that their programs are now defunct. Or a UMASS team that was mediocre with the occassional good year. Back in the day UCONN was really good on a consistent basis.

Those are the historic CAA teams so you don't get to count ODU.

Because Hofsta didnt compete along with putting players in the NFL and UMass never had multple NC game appearences along with NFL players as well. Stop it.

putting a player or two in the NFL does not make a quality/stout program. Miss Valley St produced the best ever WR but that does not make them a power.

You are confusing a few great players with a good program. That is as you like to say comparing apples and oranges.

Hofstra didn't put a player or 2 in the pros during the 2001-2009 period they were in the A-10/CAA. They put in at least 9. (I say at least because the JMU list is missing several):
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/schools/hofstra/

Using that same 9 season period 01'-09', for players who entered the NFL 02'-10', UMass put in at least 10 players:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...achusetts/

For JMU it was 6 during that 9 year period:
-Joyce
-Banks (not listed),
-JD Skolinitsky (sp?, not listed)
-Jordan
-Moats
-Caussin (incorrectly listed as entering in 2011, should say 2010)
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/sc...esmadison/
JMU list is also missing Wells and Stanton

(11-10-2014 09:58 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:41 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 03:27 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  and if you do not see a culture shift/change in this program this year --- you are simply refusing to see it or live in MMs basement

Been here since 2001 , he is just a coach from FBS moving those new ideas to our FCS school. There has not been a "major" shift as people try to communicate. Big difference is Withers has more personality than MM, people tend to gravitate towards that. But The core off the JMU program is still the same. Imo

The program is not the same at all. The change is not a bigger personality at HC. The change is more fundamental at all levels. The change alone to the team GPA is due to Coach Withers mandating that everyone have a mandatory study hall, no matter the GPA. Coach Smith is running those study halls to make sure the players do the work. In prior years, the academic staff ran it without much input from the coaching staff. That's just on the academic side. On the football side, there's no more cliques and these guys are all hanging out together. I talked to several former players at Homecoming (Jordon Stanton, Pat Williams, Vidal Nelson) and they all still talk to current players and to a man, they said there has been a huge change. No one had a bad thing to say about MM and they praised him in many ways but all said a change was due. The Thurs meetings where an alum comes in to speak to the players about being successful in life after football is a great mentoring and networking event.

I was fortunate enough to be in the locker room when they got their black uniforms and purple helmets. The way players embraced the coaching staff to thank them was great to see. It wasn't the usual quick "thanks" that you get from 18-22 year old kids. It was a genuine "you really care about me as a person" thank you.

MM did great things for JMU and I like him personally and I've thanked him for what he and his family did for JMU. I was hoping he would come back when they honor the 2004 championship team but I understand it may be a little too soon.

We can celebrate the changes without getting defensive about the past.

great post.

(11-11-2014 09:47 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 10:31 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:51 PM)GeoJMU Wrote:  I've been one of those griping about the in-game coaching (not so much on these boards) but whatever this coaching staff lacks in experience, they make up with whatever they have done to create a never-give-up attitude with these players. No way we would have won these close games in recent past.

I'm all in now!

Lehigh , Charlotte , Albany , and Stoney brook are just ok wins on the road. We must beat Richmond next week. Those other teams are wins we expected.

Please were you not the very one who said this coaching staff will find out about the caliber of play in the CAA, especially on the road and now since they have been successful you minimalize the wins - geez.

Albany - long road trip and beat a ranked team on the road.
SB - long road trip and beat the #1 defense in all of FCS with over 500 yards of offense.

I think it may be time to give just a little credit. Also say what you will there is a definite culture change among these players --- last 4-5 years the team would have quit in the 2nd half and lost to lehigh, albany, & SB.

No, they were the #1 defense in the CAA. Not all of FCS.

Well then JMU is putting out incorrect information.

Quote:Lee led Madison to a 27-24 victory at Stony Brook, helping the offense to 515 yards of total offense against the No. 1 ranked defense in FCS football that was averaging giving up just 250 yards of total offense a game.

http://www.jmusports.com/news/2014/11/10...41300.aspx

(11-11-2014 09:47 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 10:31 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:51 PM)GeoJMU Wrote:  I've been one of those griping about the in-game coaching (not so much on these boards) but whatever this coaching staff lacks in experience, they make up with whatever they have done to create a never-give-up attitude with these players. No way we would have won these close games in recent past.

I'm all in now!

Lehigh , Charlotte , Albany , and Stoney brook are just ok wins on the road. We must beat Richmond next week. Those other teams are wins we expected.

Please were you not the very one who said this coaching staff will find out about the caliber of play in the CAA, especially on the road and now since they have been successful you minimalize the wins - geez.

Albany - long road trip and beat a ranked team on the road.
SB - long road trip and beat the #1 defense in all of FCS with over 500 yards of offense.

I think it may be time to give just a little credit. Also say what you will there is a definite culture change among these players --- last 4-5 years the team would have quit in the 2nd half and lost to lehigh, albany, & SB.

No, they were the #1 defense in the CAA. Not all of FCS.

No BDK you are mistaken on this one --- going into the JMU-SB game the seawolves allowed 235.3 yards per game which ranked #1 in all of FCS. That is the total defense rank. SB also ranked 3rd in scoring defense at 12.9 points per game in all of FCS.

(11-11-2014 10:24 AM)Top Dawg Wrote:  

(11-11-2014 09:47 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(11-10-2014 10:31 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 08:21 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-08-2014 07:51 PM)GeoJMU Wrote:  I've been one of those griping about the in-game coaching (not so much on these boards) but whatever this coaching staff lacks in experience, they make up with whatever they have done to create a never-give-up attitude with these players. No way we would have won these close games in recent past.

I'm all in now!

Lehigh , Charlotte , Albany , and Stoney brook are just ok wins on the road. We must beat Richmond next week. Those other teams are wins we expected.

Please were you not the very one who said this coaching staff will find out about the caliber of play in the CAA, especially on the road and now since they have been successful you minimalize the wins - geez.

Albany - long road trip and beat a ranked team on the road.
SB - long road trip and beat the #1 defense in all of FCS with over 500 yards of offense.

I think it may be time to give just a little credit. Also say what you will there is a definite culture change among these players --- last 4-5 years the team would have quit in the 2nd half and lost to lehigh, albany, & SB.

No, they were the #1 defense in the CAA. Not all of FCS.

Well then JMU is putting out incorrect information.

Quote:Lee led Madison to a 27-24 victory at Stony Brook, helping the offense to 515 yards of total offense against the No. 1 ranked defense in FCS football that was averaging giving up just 250 yards of total offense a game.

http://www.jmusports.com/news/2014/11/10...41300.aspx

Yeah Matt Jones and the DNR have the same bad info -