(11-06-2014 08:04 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 07:31 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 03:45 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  09' @ Liberty
10' @ JMU
11' @ Liberty
15' @ Liberty

16' @ JMU?
17' @ JMU?

01 @liberty
03 liberty @jmu

HotRod, what BDK was doing was suggesting some reasoning to the contract we had in place, that was to begin in '08. We had a 2 home and 2 away contract. The first game was to be played in '08 at BFS. Either after the '08 season began, or just before the beginning of the season, we asked Liberty if we could postpone that first game and begin the contrat in '09 and put off the '08 game to a future year.

'08 happened to be another one of those seasons where 1-AA teams could play 12 regular season games. We already had two pretty tough OOC games on the schedule, Duke and Appy. A 3rd OOC game was scheduled with NC Central. Liberty was to be a 4th and they were predicted to be good that season. The reason given to our fans was that our students were not going to be at school for the weekend scheduled for our home Liberty game due to fall break.

As scheduled, we played out the next three years with Liberty per contract, but then that final contracted game (the one which should have been in '08) has continued to be pushed back to the point that it has virtually been forgotten about. Now we see Liberty back on the schedule for next year and its to be played at Liberty. This is very confusing. To complete the contract it should be held at BFS. So, BDK has suggested that maybe JB agreed to another home and home deal with them, however, possibly this new agreement is to play at Liberty in '15 and then two home games in a row in '16 and '17. This would all make some sense, but he's just offering that up as a possibility of what our two AD's have agreed to. We really don't know.

As far as '01 and '03, we've have had quite a number of contracts with Liberty over the years, but each time the agreements have been completed.

I know i was just showing how far back our relationship with liberty goes for the newer posters. I love the liberty matchup , gives us a chance to continue to show up the big south. I wasnt hating on his post lol.

(11-06-2014 06:45 PM)Potomac Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 05:54 PM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  man, you guys dissect the schedule wondering why we are at Liberty, why no FBS game, speculating on what this can mean in '16 and '17,

meanwhile, Pitz and I are the only two who look at this and see the two toughest opponents, Villanova and Richmond, are at home and think with Vad (don't call me Bad anymore) Lee at the helms we will probably be favored in every game and could go undefeated.

i see 11-0 and #1 in the country going into our (last?) FCS playoff next year. I haven't been this pumped about JMU football since we beat the Chokies.

Considering we've never had an undefeated season, get back to me when we do. We'll lose at least 2 every year, no matter who we face.

This schedule is.... meh. No FBS sucks for reminding the "big boy" fans that we're not Division 2 football, but I agree that the FBS games are boring because they are a guaranteed loss and almost seem pointless to play. At least we have a better chance against liberty than a BCS opponent.

I guess Jeff Bourne will never answer for why we're on the road at Liberty, but what else is new?

Well, since were talking about an all I-AA schedule, in 08' JMU was undefeated vs I-AA, 10-0, and that included:
-then #1 App, who finished regular season 10-2 & a seed. Only other loss was to LSU. If they had played a middling OOC instead of JMU they would have been 11-1 & the #1 seed.
-UR, who won the NC.
-VU, who finished 9-3, with both I-AA losses to JMU, including the qtrfinals.
-Then top 15 W&M team who finished 7-4 & ranked.

(11-06-2014 07:17 PM)jaspegs Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 05:46 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 05:05 PM)jaspegs Wrote:  Students look forward to the one FBS game every year and of course there isn't one.

I would love to see the student survey that supports that this even has once shred of proven truth to it.

Look at the demand for the student busses to MD and WVU (Fedex) in the past few years. I'm going to guess it's just a little higher than the demand for the busses going to our rival Richmond in a few weeks.

Please don't bring logic here

(11-06-2014 08:30 PM)Top Dawg Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 04:07 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Personally, this sucks- when our marquee OOC game is @Liberty and our OOC home games are still against sisters of the poor. well, at least we are not setting the bar too high and should have a good record. I hate to armchair qb but am going to do it anyway. The placement of the games could not be more horrible either- back to back to back to start. I hate being relegated to this position as a fb program. Yeah, I know that Lehigh is a decent program and blah, blah, blah...we can do better than this I think.

I'd hardly consider Lehigh a "sisters of the poor". They may be struggling this year, but that is not typical for them.

a somewhat hyperbolic statement on my part. After all, they have beaten Georgetown and Cornell this year and went 3-2 in the mighty Patriot league last year. They had some good years, but it cracks me up that all three of their losses in 2010 were to CAA teams. Before their decent 3 year run in 10-12 they were 4-7 in 09 and 5-6 in 08. No matter what, it is disappointing that they are our marquee OOC home game.

(11-06-2014 10:26 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 08:30 PM)Top Dawg Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 04:07 PM)jmutoml757 Wrote:  Personally, this sucks- when our marquee OOC game is @Liberty and our OOC home games are still against sisters of the poor. well, at least we are not setting the bar too high and should have a good record. I hate to armchair qb but am going to do it anyway. The placement of the games could not be more horrible either- back to back to back to start. I hate being relegated to this position as a fb program. Yeah, I know that Lehigh is a decent program and blah, blah, blah...we can do better than this I think.

I'd hardly consider Lehigh a "sisters of the poor". They may be struggling this year, but that is not typical for them.

a somewhat hyperbolic statement on my part. After all, they have beaten Georgetown and Cornell this year and went 3-2 in the mighty Patriot league last year. They had some good years, but it cracks me up that all three of their losses in 2010 were to CAA teams. Before their decent 3 year run in 10-12 they were 4-7 in 09 and 5-6 in 08. No matter what, it is disappointing that they are our marquee OOC home game.

Agree.

(11-06-2014 06:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  On an 11 game season with a 24 team playoff:
With a I-A to make the playoffs out of the CAA probably have to go 7-4/5-3 (8-4 in 12 game season).
With no I-A to make the playoffs out of the CAA probably have to go 8-3/5-3 (9-3 in 12 game season).

Not completely buying this. FBS game is arbitrary for the purposes of a playoff resume unless you win. D2 games are poison though. 7-4 with a FBS loss is not necessarily good enough, especially with our current strength of conference. The bigger sin in the schedule is only 11 games. 11 or 12 game schedule, 8 DI wins = playoffs for a CAA team. Why not have one more game? I believe UNH has 12.

Let me go on the record saying "THANK YOU" to the administration for getting a schedule out so soon. If changes come, so be it. At least I do not feel like our program is operating behind everyone else's in the conference.

(11-07-2014 02:23 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  

(11-06-2014 06:46 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  On an 11 game season with a 24 team playoff:
With a I-A to make the playoffs out of the CAA probably have to go 7-4/5-3 (8-4 in 12 game season).
With no I-A to make the playoffs out of the CAA probably have to go 8-3/5-3 (9-3 in 12 game season).

Not completely buying this. FBS game is arbitrary for the purposes of a playoff resume unless you win. D2 games are poison though. 7-4 with a FBS loss is not necessarily good enough, especially with our current strength of conference. The bigger sin in the schedule is only 11 games. 11 or 12 game schedule, 8 DI wins = playoffs for a CAA team. Why not have one more game? I believe UNH has 12.

Let me go on the record saying "THANK YOU" to the administration for getting a schedule out so soon. If changes come, so be it. At least I do not feel like our program is operating behind everyone else's in the conference.

Did you not read any of this thread? We can't have 1 more game next season because only 11 are allowed, as has already been mentioned several times already. The next season when 12 games are allowed isn't until 2019.

And no, UNH has 11.

BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

This seems like the perfect schedule to make the playoffs in a year we're not eligible to win the CAA...

(11-07-2014 06:29 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  This seems like the perfect schedule to make the playoffs in a year we're not eligible to win the CAA...

Have no fear, we will be eligible to win the CAA for a long time to come.

(11-07-2014 07:26 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 06:29 AM)JMUDukeDawg Wrote:  This seems like the perfect schedule to make the playoffs in a year we're not eligible to win the CAA...

Have no fear, we will be eligible to win the CAA for a long time to come.

But, that is my fear, I've been waiting 32 years as an alumni, not sure how much longer I'll have...

(11-07-2014 03:05 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

That 300-500k helps the program when we play FBS.

(11-07-2014 03:05 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

For those that don't know, here is the actual wording, copied and pasted from the 2014-2015 Division 1 NCAA manual:

"Twelve football contests shall be permitted during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November (see Bylaw 17.9.5.1)."

Without looking, and taking a stab at a guess, I think we can play 12 games in about 1/3 of the seasons. Some teams choose to simply have 2 bye weeks in those years, as we did back in '08.

Update:
17.9.3 First Contest. [FBS/FCS] A member institution shall not play its first contest (game or scrimmage)
with outside competition in football prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day (see Figure 17-2). (Revised:
1/11/89, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97, 5/12/05)

The playoffs begin Thanksgiving weekend.

(11-07-2014 07:40 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 03:05 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

That 300-500k helps the program when we play FBS.

+1 it's about the Benjamins

(11-07-2014 07:49 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 03:05 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

For those that don't know, here is the actual wording, copied and pasted from the 2014-2015 Division 1 NCAA manual:

"Twelve football contests shall be permitted during those years in which there are 14 Saturdays from the first permissible playing date through the last playing date in November (see Bylaw 17.9.5.1)."

Without looking, and taking a stab at a guess, I think we can play 12 games in about 1/3 of the seasons. Some teams choose to simply have 2 bye weeks in those years, as we did back in '08.

Update:
17.9.3 First Contest. [FBS/FCS] A member institution shall not play its first contest (game or scrimmage)
with outside competition in football prior to the Thursday preceding Labor Day (see Figure 17-2). (Revised:
1/11/89, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, 1/14/97, 5/12/05)

The playoffs begin Thanksgiving weekend.

Correct. A simple way to do it.
Start with the Sat of Labor Day weekend, which is always the full opening weekend. Count the # of Saturday's Labor Day weekend until the Sat BEFORE Thanksgiving. Sat after Thanksgiving is always 1st round.
13 Sat = 12 games allowed.
12 Sat = 11 game season.
Simple.

Correct that it's roughly 1/3 of seasons where 12 are allowed, roughly 2 seasons of 12 allowed followed by 4 of 11. I say roughly because I think LEAP years can alter it sleightly..

(11-07-2014 07:40 AM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(11-07-2014 03:05 AM)Yesolitis Wrote:  BDK - it was mentioned a couple times by people explaining when/why we have had 12-game schedules a few times and Doox went back and forth in his post on how often and why we had a 12-game vs. 11-game schedule in past seasons. I did not read a definitive post stating the we are not allowed to schedule 11 games until 2019. Most of the thread read as speculation to me rather than authoritative knowledge - and the discussion has been focused on the away/home games with Liberty. Sorry about the misread on UNH, probably read over BYE as an opponent - those guys get around.

I would rather take my chances going 8-3 in all FCS than 7-4 with a FBS loss. I don't see the FBS value beyond fan perception and to get excited to see if we can pull one of those big upsets. You don't have to agree, it's my opinion. FBS losses don't give a team a better playoff profile. But I'll give you that losing to a lesser FCS opponent certainly has a more negative impact on a team's resume.

That 300-500k helps the program when we play FBS.

This subject is not the approved to discuss list, go stand in the corner hotrod