I bet our running back can pee further than your running back!

No way. Flash Gordon once peed over a mountain.

(10-27-2014 10:40 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  No way. Flash Gordon once peed over a mountain.

that was Uncle Rico

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

I'll say who the best RB in the conference is at the end of the season. I think we have all the candidates on our schedule, and if they all face us (similar competition), then it should be easy to see.

Right now, it's the Cajun back as he treated us like a redheaded stepchild.

None of our backs can really get into the discussion because we use a committee approach. Though personal opinion says that Lowe could be just a monster if they tried to feature him.

(10-27-2014 10:47 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

Not sure what a feature back is exactly, but Gordon has been hurt, ortherwise he'd have the most carries by far for A-State.

(10-27-2014 10:18 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  This is always such a subjective thing. RBs are usually a lot easier to find than DL, OL, LB, etc. and who is to say that other RBs wouldn't produce the same results if put in a given offense behind a particular offensive line?

Being the Ga So RB is a great situation because of their offensive style and having the threat of so many potential ball carriers on any given play. Being the "big play" back for ULL is a great spot with Harris drawing defenders in the box and Broadway having decent mobility. The same is true for ASU with the threat that the QB could keep it and take it to the house on any given play or McKissic may come across in motion and pull defenders out of the box.

I don't think you could go wrong with any of the three and all three benefit from their supporting cast, especially at QB.

I agree with this. The one thing that I'd add is that it's hard to say which player would do well in a different situation. For example, Breida is one of three GS players with over 100 carries. He's one of three GS players in the top 100 nationally in total rushing yards. Question: would Breida benefit from being THE GUY at GS and getting a lot more touches, or is he better off getting fewer carries and having defenses worried about Ellison and others?

I personally think he'd get more yardage, but it would be somewhat irresponsible for the coaches to do it that way. I believe that part of the reason GS has made it this far without being hurt any more by injuries than we have been has been the fact that they're able to shuttle players in and out without a huge drop-off in production. Having an explosive offense has also helped in this area because the Eagles have been in positions where they could substitute fairly freely.

(10-27-2014 10:35 AM)The Black Flag Wrote:  I bet our running back can pee further than your running back!

(10-27-2014 10:47 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

Gordon is the feature back. He was injured the first game in the first quarter. Played a little in the first quarter against Tennessee and held out the next two games. He's only played in 3 full games.

(10-27-2014 10:51 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:47 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

Not sure what a feature back is exactly, but Gordon has been hurt, ortherwise he'd have the most carries by far for A-State.

Just went back and did the math for ya. Gordon played in 5 games and averaged 12.5 carries over those games. Your QB averages 16 runs per game. When you run the QB more than your RB he is not a "feature" back. Bell Cow or whatever term you prefer. 12.5 carries a game isnt feature, its far more change of pace.

(10-27-2014 10:58 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:51 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:47 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

Not sure what a feature back is exactly, but Gordon has been hurt, ortherwise he'd have the most carries by far for A-State.

Just went back and did the math for ya. Gordon played in 5 games and averaged 12.5 carries over those games. Your QB averages 16 runs per game. When you run the QB more than your RB he is not a "feature" back. Bell Cow or whatever term you prefer. 12.5 carries a game isnt feature, its far more change of pace.

I see you know more about the Red Wolves than A-State fans who watch all the games do.

To clarify my 'quicker' statement, I meant Brieda is quicker in cutting and acceleration through the gaps. Top end speed they're probably the same. I didn't know McGuire was battling turf toe, so that may have something to do with it. Regardless, McGuire gets the nod because of his power IMO.

(10-27-2014 08:16 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Coach Joey Jones thinks that McGuire is not only the best back in the league, but the best player in the league. I'll go with him.

I will agree also with Coach Jones about Elijah McGuire being the best RB in the league, but he doesn't have a bad one in Kendall Houston. I'll place him 2nd best.

(10-27-2014 10:58 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:51 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 10:47 AM)asupatch Wrote:  

(10-27-2014 07:38 AM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  Quite a battle. I still say it is McGuire based on what my eyes tell me.

3 Sun Belt backs lead the NATION in yards per carry, although NCAA blows Breida off as "Reclassifying".


Min. 10 rushes per game | Must play in 75% of team's games

1 Elijah McGuire, La.-Lafayette So. 9.43
2 Michael Gordon, Arkansas St. Jr. 9.27

3 Tevin Coleman, Indiana Jr. 8.83
4 Devon Johnson, Marshall Jr. 8.78
5 Breon Allen, East Carolina Sr. 7.59

- Matt Breida, Ga. Southern So. 9.56

NCAA.ORG STATS
(click on Individual "tab", then select "rushing yards per carry" on the Additional stats drop down menu)

None of the 3 are really a feature back as none of them have the most carries for their team. Ill go with Breida as he is the closest to having the most carries for Georgia Southern. All three are really change of pace type backs and not the feature guy.

Not sure what a feature back is exactly, but Gordon has been hurt, ortherwise he'd have the most carries by far for A-State.

Just went back and did the math for ya. Gordon played in 5 games and averaged 12.5 carries over those games. Your QB averages 16 runs per game. When you run the QB more than your RB he is not a "feature" back. Bell Cow or whatever term you prefer. 12.5 carries a game isnt feature, its far more change of pace.

Sigh. Gordon played sparingly in the first two due to an injury. He did not play the next two games due to the same injury. 7 carries in each of the first two games.

Last three games?

15 168 11.2
18 188 10.4
15 134 8.9

Trust me, Gordon is our feature back. When he was out we had a walkon in his spot and several true freshmen in support roles. When Daryl Rollins-Davis learns his new position we will have one of the fastest players in the league to compliment Gordon next year.

Gordon's speed isn't close to Breida. Gordon gets run down a lot. Nobody ever comes close to running Breida down. He ran a 10.7 in high school and is probably faster now. I think he is a little quicker and faster than McKinnon who ran 4.35,4.38.4.41 at the nfl combine although McKinnon has more power at 210 vs 185 for Breida.



Gordon and Breida against Ga State. Gordon run down,Breida long gone.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11681460

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11761331

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11761841

Gordon being run down
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11643353

Summary of Breida's highlights

http://search.espn.go.com/matt-breida/videos/6

Breida with an incredible burst of speed on a TD run

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11589332

Breida is long gone before nc st even knows what just happened.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11437025

GT safety takes a terrible angle because Breida is so fast in first 10 yards.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11517789

McGuire is fast. Definitely faster than Gordon, but not as fast as Breida.

Here is a video of a LB running down McGuire.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11519480

McGuire doesn't get caught here, but the DB is a couple of yards behind. On Breida's long runs, nobody comes close. Also, there isn't a video of Breida being run down as it hasn't happened yet.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11741721

(10-27-2014 05:05 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  McGuire is fast. Definitely faster than Gordon, but not as fast as Breida.

Here is a video of a LB running down McGuire.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11519480

McGuire doesn't get caught here, but the DB is a couple of yards behind. On Breida's long runs, nobody come close. Also, there isn't a video of Breida being run down as it hasn't happened yet.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11741721

Uhmmm, that "LB" runs a 4.41 40 yard dash

He still wouldn't run Breida down.

(10-27-2014 05:15 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  He still wouldn't run Breida down.

How in the works has breida ever been tackled in his career?

(10-27-2014 05:05 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  McGuire is fast. Definitely faster than Gordon, but not as fast as Breida.

Here is a video of a LB running down McGuire.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11519480

McGuire doesn't get caught here, but the DB is a couple of yards behind. On Breida's long runs, nobody comes close. Also, there isn't a video of Breida being run down as it hasn't happened yet.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11741721

Just to clarify, I think the LB that ran him down was actually a cornerback until this year and was moved to safety sometime during this year. He's 5'9" and 185lbs. Also, McGuire has been playing with a turf toe most of the year which is gradually getting better. I'm not saying he's faster in straight out speed, but McGuire is probably a little slower this year over last as he added about 30lbs over the off season.