Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

But he says that Islam is just a younger version of Christianity. That's stupid.

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(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Christians and Jews are considered "people fo the book" in Islam and Jesus is considered sacred as a prohet. Mary is considered the mother of Jesus and one of the most rightous women in all of Islam. Islam prohibits killing "people of the book" and even suicide. So, what we see out there today amongst radicals is definitely their interpretation and based more on a demented male dominated society than religion.

Quote:Dispute not, unless in kindly sort, with the people of the
Book;save with such of them as have dealt wrongfully
with you: And say ye, “We believe in what hath been sent
down to us and hath been sent down to you. Our God
and your God is one, and to him are we self-surrendered

It's that last part that radicals latch onto to justify their evil.

As for apostasy, from what I've read most scholars reject the death penaly as punishment.

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Can you give a specific example? I've never really read the Koran.

(10-10-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:You obviously don't watch Real Time. He frequently compares terrorism to the inquisition and crusades.

I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Can you give a specific example? I've never really read the Koran.

Quote:"Fight them (the disbelievers), Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and give you victory over them and He will heal the hearts of those who believe." (Qur'an 9:14).

(10-10-2014 11:56 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Can you give a specific example? I've never really read the Koran.

Quote:"Fight them (the disbelievers), Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and give you victory over them and He will heal the hearts of those who believe." (Qur'an 9:14).

I'm not at all familiar with the book. What exactly is this referring to? A part of Mohammads life or anyone in general?

(10-10-2014 11:56 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 12:37 AM)toddjnsn Wrote:  I watch it every week. He does compare them both, and rightfully so. That's not making Islam today = Christianity today. And he points out how in the book of Islam, there's even more justification for violence, etc., which makes it not surprising.

Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Can you give a specific example? I've never really read the Koran.

Quote:"Fight them (the disbelievers), Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and give you victory over them and He will heal the hearts of those who believe." (Qur'an 9:14).

and at the same time it says to not harm "the people of the book".

It's a book of contradictions, like other religious texts, that is interpreted in many different ways. There is the mainstream interpretation, and then the interpretation by the likes of ISIS, etc.

While its true the Koran orders believers to fight in combat against those who are the oppressors, aggressors and terrorists and those who are assaulting and killing the innocent men, women and children. But it gives out clear orders - NOT TO Fight against those who are not fighting against you.

That last part is ignored by terrorist.

(10-10-2014 12:04 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:56 AM)bevotex Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 11:44 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(10-10-2014 04:30 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-09-2014 08:23 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Well in the bible recommends stoning folks and Matthew 10:34 states "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace but a sword".

As always, it's all in the interpretation.

Qur'an leaves little doubt about its "interpretations".

Its pretty clear about killing all infidels and anyone who leaves the Muslim religion.

No such verses in the bible.

Can you give a specific example? I've never really read the Koran.

Quote:"Fight them (the disbelievers), Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and give you victory over them and He will heal the hearts of those who believe." (Qur'an 9:14).

and at the same time it says to not harm "the people of the book".

It's a book of contradictions, like other religious texts, that is interpreted in many different ways. There is the mainstream interpretation, and then the interpretation by the likes of ISIS, etc.

While its true the Koran orders believers to fight in combat against those who are the oppressors, aggressors and terrorists and those who are assaulting and killing the innocent men, women and children. But it gives out clear orders - NOT TO Fight against those who are not fighting against you.

That last part is ignored by terrorist.

Well said