Im baffled as to why abdullah isnt getting more carries.

Just watching the game, latney isnt as good of a blocker, or runner as abdullah. Is Abdullah injured? Is coach worried about fumbles?? The stat line says it all. 7.3 vs 3.3

CAR YDS AVG TD LG
Vad Lee 17 111 6.5 1 57
Khalid Abdullah 9 66 7.3 0 17
Jauan Latney 14 46 3.3 1 9

(10-06-2014 07:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Im baffled as to why abdullah isnt getting more carries.

Just watching the game, latney isnt as good of a blocker, or runner as abdullah. Is Abdullah injured? Is coach worried about fumbles?? The stat line says it all. 7.3 vs 3.3

CAR YDS AVG TD LG
Vad Lee 17 111 6.5 1 57
Khalid Abdullah 9 66 7.3 0 17
Jauan Latney 14 46 3.3 1 9

Completely agree. It's night and day watching these two run.

I'd like to see Alden Hill as well. We didn't see Taylor Woods last weekend at tailback, as I recall. Believe that's the name of the freshman back that didn't convert in the OT period. Hill must really be in the doghouse. Latney has looked good at times, but not in the Albany game. He's been dealing with an injury, as has Abdullah and the other freshman back (John Miller?).

I think the real key is just getting the stable of RBs back and reasonable healthy. I am glad we had the depth at the position b/c we needed them all. I think the kid that blew out his achilles in the Spring is every bit as good as Abdullah. I think they are trying to nurse Abdullah back and not over use him and then miss him for more games.

(10-06-2014 07:27 AM)Centdukesfan Wrote:  Im baffled as to why abdullah isnt getting more carries.

Just watching the game, latney isnt as good of a blocker, or runner as abdullah. Is Abdullah injured? Is coach worried about fumbles?? The stat line says it all. 7.3 vs 3.3

CAR YDS AVG TD LG
Vad Lee 17 111 6.5 1 57
Khalid Abdullah 9 66 7.3 0 17
Jauan Latney 14 46 3.3 1 9

While I agree Abdullah looks like the best back, if you want to go by stat lines, looking at the season:
Abdullah: 59 carries, 292 yds, 4.9 ypc, 0 TD
Latney:-- 37 carries, 213 yds, 5.8 ypc, 3 TD

Miller:- 41 carries, 193 yds, 4.7 ypc, 2 TDs
Hill---- 24 carries, 108 yds, 4.5 ypc, 0 TDs.
Woods: 13 carries, 53 yds, 4.1 ypc, 0 TDs.

I'm confused by this as well and mentioned it in the game thread. Abdullah did have his right ankle heavily taped so there's obviously a reason for that but when he got the ball he had really good burst and movement so it can't be that bad. Latney is a guy who can put a shoulder into guys and make them feel a tackle but he is so slow it's hard to watch. You have to have a rotation at RB but this one is just all over the place. At some point you just need to figure out who your best two guys are and play the game. When you're going 4 and 5 deep nobody can get any rhythm and it just doesn't work. You can't sit a kid on the bench for 3 quarters standing still and stiff and suddenly decide he's good and put him in. That's not a good idea.

i agree to an extent.....not sure each of these RBs really know what their roles are to date and I realize that some of this lack of clear roles has to do with injuries to Abdullah/Latney/Miller early in the season. Although at this point of the season I think these are your 3 guys in that order, with some flopping between Abdullah and Miller. I could see a split that looks something like 60%/20%/20%.

(10-06-2014 01:17 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I'm confused by this as well and mentioned it in the game thread. Abdullah did have his right ankle heavily taped so there's obviously a reason for that but when he got the ball he had really good burst and movement so it can't be that bad. Latney is a guy who can put a shoulder into guys and make them feel a tackle but he is so slow it's hard to watch. You have to have a rotation at RB but this one is just all over the place. At some point you just need to figure out who your best two guys are and play the game. When you're going 4 and 5 deep nobody can get any rhythm and it just doesn't work. You can't sit a kid on the bench for 3 quarters standing still and stiff and suddenly decide he's good and put him in. That's not a good idea.

I think the issue has been finding the best two or even one HEALTHY back. Often with recovering players it's a lets see how they respond during game conditions kind of thing. On Saturday Miller had a couple of plays and then was noticeably limping on the sidelines. He was done. Latney had an injury scare during the game, but recovered and returned. Prior to the game, Abdullah looked good but with one ankle in purple and one in white, it appeared he had special taping. When he got into the game he got better and better and looks to be back in form. It takes a few games to get back to that, and I think he is there. And getting closer and closer to busting one.

Yeah I agree I just think we're in the middle of the season and still running different guys out there on each series. It doesn't make any sense.

The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

(10-06-2014 01:30 PM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:17 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  I'm confused by this as well and mentioned it in the game thread. Abdullah did have his right ankle heavily taped so there's obviously a reason for that but when he got the ball he had really good burst and movement so it can't be that bad. Latney is a guy who can put a shoulder into guys and make them feel a tackle but he is so slow it's hard to watch. You have to have a rotation at RB but this one is just all over the place. At some point you just need to figure out who your best two guys are and play the game. When you're going 4 and 5 deep nobody can get any rhythm and it just doesn't work. You can't sit a kid on the bench for 3 quarters standing still and stiff and suddenly decide he's good and put him in. That's not a good idea.

I think the issue has been finding the best two or even one HEALTHY back. Often with recovering players it's a lets see how they respond during game conditions kind of thing. On Saturday Miller had a couple of plays and then was noticeably limping on the sidelines. He was done. Latney had an injury scare during the game, but recovered and returned. Prior to the game, Abdullah looked good but with one ankle in purple and one in white, it appeared he had special taping. When he got into the game he got better and better and looks to be back in form. It takes a few games to get back to that, and I think he is there. And getting closer and closer to busting one.

I hope so because the running game is so much better with him in there. Vad looks light years different running the ball than he did at the beginning of the year where he obviously had a tweak somewhere in his leg although the team was pretty quiet about it. He looks like a different guy running now. If we can get Vad, Abdullah, and another RB whether it's Hill or Miller or whoever healthy, we can be dangerous running the ball and actually possessing the ball. I hope that happens.

(10-06-2014 01:32 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

Not to look ahead to next year already, but can you elaborate on Cardon Johnson for those of us who haven't heard of him? Thank you!

(10-07-2014 09:28 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:32 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

Not to look ahead to next year already, but can you elaborate on Cardon Johnson for those of us who haven't heard of him? Thank you!

I think I got the name right....but was a standout r-fr in spring ball but had an achilles injury. Very similar skillset to abdullah but with a little more power i think.

(10-07-2014 09:45 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:28 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:32 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

Not to look ahead to next year already, but can you elaborate on Cardon Johnson for those of us who haven't heard of him? Thank you!

I think I got the name right....but was a standout r-fr in spring ball but had an achilles injury. Very similar skillset to abdullah but with a little more power i think.

So being an rFR, that would make him a MM recruit and not a Withers recruit?

(10-07-2014 09:51 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:45 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:28 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:32 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

Not to look ahead to next year already, but can you elaborate on Cardon Johnson for those of us who haven't heard of him? Thank you!

I think I got the name right....but was a standout r-fr in spring ball but had an achilles injury. Very similar skillset to abdullah but with a little more power i think.

So being an rFR, that would make him a MM recruit and not a Withers recruit?

not really sure what you are getting at, but sure. Any player that is not new to the program in 2014 would be a MM recruit.

(10-07-2014 10:12 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:51 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:45 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  

(10-07-2014 09:28 AM)DukeDoggyDogg Wrote:  

(10-06-2014 01:32 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  The rotation at RB could be sick next season (Abdullah/Cardon Johnson/Jon Miller)

Not to look ahead to next year already, but can you elaborate on Cardon Johnson for those of us who haven't heard of him? Thank you!

I think I got the name right....but was a standout r-fr in spring ball but had an achilles injury. Very similar skillset to abdullah but with a little more power i think.

So being an rFR, that would make him a MM recruit and not a Withers recruit?

not really sure what you are getting at, but sure. Any player that is not new to the program in 2014 would be a MM recruit.

lol not getting at anything, just curious. thanks for the info!